7 reasons why Peter was not perfect after Pentecost and was guilty of sin.

[ChristisGod]

No.

Are you guilty of sin? I'm not.

Much love!

Was Peter sinless ? yes or no

 

[marks]

Was Peter sinless ? yes or no

Come on! I've never met the man!! Why are you driven to impugn the Lord's Apostle? Have you no fear?

Much love?

 

[ChristisGod]

Come on! I've never met the man!! Why are you driven to impugn the Lord's Apostle? Have you no fear?

Much love?

evasion...................

were any apostles sinless ?

 

[Ziggy]

Paul didn't condemn Peter.
The confrontation wasn't about who would eat with whom...but moreso WHO would be SEEN eating with WHO...And BY WHOM would they be SEEN.

Circumcision of the Foreskin was a (long established MARK upon a Jew, specific TO Jews) that Established a SEPARATION, between Jews AND Gentile's.

Jesus Taught Circumcision of the Heart, and that Offering came from Jesus.

Remembering Jesus taught his Disciples, and they were tasked with Teaching the Jews....
Few by Few as the Disciples traveled about.

Paul was tasked with primarily teaching the Gentiles.

Not everyone Jew or Gentile had yet heard or had been taught Circumcision of the Heart.
Peter seemed to have no problem "unseen" by other Jews, to eat with Gentiles.
Peter did seem "unprepared" to Being in familiar company of Gentiles...when Jews showed up....Obviously Able to SEE Peter with Gentiles....and Peter wanted the Jews TO NOT SEE Peter consorting with Gentiles.

Paul IMO, held a higher Confidance, as exampled by Jesus (as Jesus Himself...was confronted by Jews challenging His consorting with Gentiles).

It was most likely an Embarrassment for Paul to call Peter out. Which IMO was a lesson for Peter to be Confidant in his beliefs, regardless of WHO is observing...as well as a Lesson to the Jews...and most importantly a lesson to the Gentiles,...of Paul's Teaching on Circumcision of the Heart, (NOT the foreskin), is the Circumcision Jesus offered to All men.

God Bless,
Taken

I know Paul says Jesus sent him to the Gentiles.
And I see God descending a sheet to Peter saying go visit Corneilius.
And Peter believed it was he who was to go to the Gentiles.
So they trying to put a wedge between who goes to whom or what?

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

It's a power play..
In the end look what we got.. the Inquisition and a thousand mini denominations.

wow. I just heard a thousand points of light.. hmmm

brb

oh wait..

hold on

oh wait

power plays..
What is the ultimate goal?

Steal, Kill, and Destroy..
Burn, Loot, Murder.. BLM
Anteeefa.. 1000 points of light.


2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And, no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

There is no law... isn't that the goal?
hmm

thinking about it..

 

[marks]

evasion...................

were any apostles sinless ?

I don't think you are hearing me. I'm not going to speak against the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, if it suits you to just chalk that up to evasiveness, be my guest. It seems to suit you to lay sin and guilt at their feet. I'll discuss the doctrine all day long. But I'm not going to speak against the Lord's Apostles.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I don't think you are hearing me. I'm not going to speak against the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, if it suits you to just chalk that up to evasiveness, be my guest. It seems to suit you to lay sin and guilt at their feet. I'll discuss the doctrine all day long. But I'm not going to speak against the Lord's Apostles.

Much love!

Sin and guilt are two different issues so quit conflating the two.

It was a simple request so now I'll make it even easier for you mark !

Is there anyone besides Jesus who was sinless since He walked this earth ?

 

[marks]

Sin and guilt are two different issues so quit conflating the two.

Where am I doing that?

?

 

[marks]

Is there anyone besides Jesus who was sinless since He walked this earth ?

All men sin, according to the Solomon. I wouldn't want to second-guess him!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Sin and guilt are two different issues so quit conflating the two.

It was a simple request so now I'll make it even easier for you mark !

Is there anyone besides Jesus who was sinless since He walked this earth ?

Did all the Apostles sin?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Did all the Apostles sin?

Much love!

you said all men right ?

are you now reneging ?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Agreed and my point is even the Apostle Peter post Pentecost ( decade later ) needed correction for sin. This goes against the proponents of sinless perfectionism and they MUST make the plain reading of the text in Galatians 2 say something else to defend their heretical position regarding reaching the state of sinless perfection on this side of the Resurrection.

hope this helps !!!

What do you say about: "Therefore you are to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect..." (Matt. 5:28) and be holy as I am holy" 1 Peter 1:16
I think we have momenta of perfection.,when the Holy Spirit has prepared and guided us to do a specific task and we do it. It wirked, accomplished what was intended - it was perfect, it was holy. Then other times we do fleshly things that grieve the Holy Spirit.
"God causes all things to work for good ...", so we really can't take any credit for the good we do, without Him we can do nothing.

 

[marks]

you said all men right ?

are you now reneging ?

No, I'm not changing what I'm saying.

Do you believe God is able to fully sanctify you TODAY should He so desire? Do you believe that there may be occassions in which God would in fact so desire, and do it? I do.

Do you know whether or not Jesus fully sanctified His Apostles? I don't.

Will you give accusation against them of sin? I won't.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What do you say about: "Therefore you are to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect..." (Matt. 5:28) and be holy as I am holy" 1 Peter 1:16
I think we have momenta of perfection.,when the Holy Spirit has prepared and guided us to do a specific task and we do it. It wirked, accomplished what was intended - it was perfect, it was holy. Then other times we do fleshly things that grieve the Holy Spirit.
"God causes all things to work for good ...", so we really can't take any credit for the good we do, without Him we can do nothing.

I like to think in terms of, we can trust Jesus for our sanctification for the next two minutes, and when those minutes end, repeat.

 

[ChristisGod]

I like to think in terms of, we can trust Jesus for our sanctification for the next two minutes, and when those minutes end, repeat.

2 minutes ?

why not 5 seconds ?

30 seconds ?

5 minutes ?

10 ?

why not 20 ?

an hour ?

a few hours ?

Got Scripture for such a " random " timeframe ?

 

[marks]

only 2 minutes ?

why not 30 seconds ?

5 minutes ?

10 ?

why not 20 ?

an hour ?

a few hours ?

It's arbitrary.

The point is, we can.

To those who say we can't, I ask, can you for two minutes? Then you can.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

It's arbitrary.

The point is, we can.

To those who say we can't, I ask, can you for two minutes? Then you can.

Much love!

why not a week ?

a month ?

6 months ?

1 year ?

5 years ?

 

[marks]

Sin and guilt are two different issues so quit conflating the two.

It was a simple request so now I'll make it even easier for you mark !

Is there anyone besides Jesus who was sinless since He walked this earth ?

What makes you so convinced that Jesus didn't sanctify His Apostles, in the way we are talking about, when He commissioned them?

Just wondering.

Much love!

 

[marks]

why not a week ?

a month ?

6 months ?

1 year ?

5 years ?

Now you're getting it!!

 

[ChristisGod]

What makes you so convinced that Jesus didn't sanctify His Apostles, in the way we are talking about, when He commissioned them?

Just wondering.

Much love!

define sanctification ?

are you saying its a one time act and not a process ?

 

[marks]

define sanctification ?

are you saying its a one time act and not a process ?

We are recreated new beings which are and remain righteous and holy. We live in the same corrupted flesh as we used to. But while we once had our life in flesh, now we have our life in the Spirit. Just like Jesus, we are the children of God living in flesh bodies. Except that Jesus is God and we're not, and our bodies are corrupted and His wasn't.

This total separation from the flesh is our sanctification. Our new creation is fully set apart for God, and Never sins. But then there remains to implement that change into our daily lives. We are so used to thinking the old way, it's really easy to continue. Thinking we need to pacify God with good behavior, or earn His favor, or blessing, or fellowship.

We have to renew our minds, so we will stop thinking the old way, and begin to think the new way. The mind of the flesh yields sin, our minds must be renewed to the Mind of Christ.

And the quickest shortest route that I've found is to read the Bible, meditate, study, let it rewrite my mind. As I remember continually that I am the righteous child of God, I'm not hesitant to look to Him for help even against sin.

I don't really talk in terms of "sinless", because that assumes we can know whether or not we are, which assumes we are fit judges. I don't think we are. So the question to me is not this endless on and on about sin.

Am I right now trusting in Jesus? That my sins, even if right now, are removed along with all the other sin of the world? That's the faith that causes us to stand in grace.

It's counterintuitive, isn't it? Trusting in God's forgiveness of all my sin, I find the internal push to sin loses it's deceptive perception of power.

But think about this a moment. By faith we stand in grace. We stand because we believe God's favor towards us.

We believe that even if we are sinning right now - say, I'm just not actually writing what the Holy Spirit wants me to write, God forbid! - even if so, I know in Christ all my sin is gone. This is God's favor toward me, His grace, that even though I may be wrong Right Now, still He gives me Jesus, Christ in me, in Him I will reach glory.

This is the faith that it's all true, that there is no impediment to my receiving life from the Spirit right now.

Much love!