Where does the Bible say...

[Brakelite]

Keeping it real..

What is real is Truth. And nothing you've said above is truth. What is true is that only one day, the seventh day Sabbath, was established over 1000 years before there was ever a Jew. At creation the seventh day was blessed, sanctified, and made holy by Jesus Himself... Thus making the Sabbath the Lord's day. He reiterated that when He said, I am the Lord of the Sabbath day. It is the church, by it's own sense of importance, and by it's own authority that she has sought to replace that very same Sabbath day with another day which has no sanction whatsoever of Jesus, His Father, or the Apostles, or any New Testament writing. Even your own church's teachers admit as much as had been quoted previously in this very thread. Yet you ignore, obfuscate, and refuse adamantly to "keep anything real". And Bible study Mary? Your "study" in this matter, and in most anything else you promote on this site, is shallow, selective, often incoherent, biased, and agenda driven.
I suggest you do a lot more studying. Start with Colossians 2:16,17.
Oh, and your sweeping assertion that 30 years after Christ rose from the dead that there were no Christians observing the Sabbath? From a provincial council in the late 3rd century held in Laodicea we read the following from canon 29...
"Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians”. Now ask debate aside regarding whether observing the Sabbath is in fact judaizing as suggested here, what this does reveal is that a long time past the time of the Apostles, there were Christians who were honoring the Sabbath by not working on that day, being classified as heretics by the church for doing so. A variety of historians over the centuries have also testified through many sources that in different parts of the world Christian churches observed the Sabbath. Among them the Celtic church in Britain that Patrick helped establish, the Christian Church in the east, the Thomas Christians in India, and the Ethiopian church, as well as the Waldensian church... All of which apart from the Ethiopian and Assyrian churches which were out if the reach of Rome, suffered centuries of persecution at the hands of the Papacy.

 

[Marymog]

The scripture is quoted, see the video and powerpoint if you don't want video. If you watch them, you might pick up something.

If you read this you might pick something up: Catechism of the Catholic Church

We can play that game all day long.....

 

[Marymog]

In point of fact "your church" was founded in 590 CE, with Pope Gregory I. Trace the History of the Roman Catholic Church

Good Morning WS,

You should get together with you Protestant brethren who's history teaches that the RCC was founded in the 4th century AND your brethren also teach that the Catholic Church was founded in the 1st century and it is the anti-Church spoken of in the NT.

Your Protestant brothers can't agree on anything.....Christian History nor Scripture interpreation....Why should I trust any of you?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

To begin, and I will state this only once as you attempt to insist by implication that I am not Christian as you repeatedly state I follow either John Knox, or as now, the men.
I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Not men. I hope that is clear enough for you that you refrain in future from bearing false witness.

Ok...You don't follow, or trust the interpretation of Scripture, of John Knox or other men. You trust your own interpretation. Soooooo what I think you are saying you follow you because you trust you and no one else?

I can see where my words have left you with the impression that I do not think you are a Christian. Let me be clear: I believe you are a Christian

Sincerely, Mary

 

[Brakelite]

Ok.....I looked it up. The text of Genesis states that God blessed and hallowed the seventh day, not the Sabbath.

I addressed this in a different post but I will address it again.

You are alleging that the RCC, my Church, changed the Sabbath. Since the RCC is The Church started by Christ then yes in effect my Church changed the Sabbath HOWEVER The Church was not stationed in Rome at the time so it was not the "RCC" that changed it...it was just The Church.

Hope that clears it up.

SMH.

 

[Brakelite]

you follow you because you trust you and no one else?

You just don't believe it possible for God to communicate directly with man through scripture do you. And you don't want to because it would decimate everything you have learned from your Catholic masters You have placed God in your own little box and refuse Him the freedom to relate to mankind on His own terms.

 

[Marymog]

You just don't believe it possible for God to communicate directly with man through scripture do you. And you don't want to because it would decimate everything you have learned from your Catholic masters You have placed God in your own little box and refuse Him the freedom to relate to mankind on His own terms.

Ummmm......clearly You don't know what I believe because what you suggested is completely false.

The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth and who has the authority if you or I should be treated as a pagan or tax collector, is my master. You are your own master. Where does Scripture say that you are the pillar and foundation of truth?

Keeping it real...Mary

 

[Brakelite]

Ummmm......clearly You don't know what I believe because what you suggested is completely false.

The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth and who has the authority if you or I should be treated as a pagan or tax collector, is my master. You are your own master. Where does Scripture say that you are the pillar and foundation of truth?

Keeping it real...Mary

What I suggested is absolutely true and you repeated it again. Jesus Himself is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. You deny again His right to communicate directly with man. And your pope agreed with you of course when he told Catholics that they should never dare to approach God directly to seek forgiveness of sin. Do you know the meaning of the word Antichrist?

 

[ReChoired]

Man interprets it. That is why we have sooooo many different interpretations.

You just said it yourself. Why not let God interpret it, as He said He does in the verses I cited. For if not, you get what you do, "confusion", "Catholicism", "Mystery" "Babylon". I told you the truth. You must choose. Who will interpret for you? I have already made my choice.

 

[theefaith]

Yup, God made the Sabbath for us. Scripture says to not let anyone judge you on what Sabbath you keep. Why are you judging? Why does Scripture say that? Answer: Because the NT Christians practiced Sunday as their Sabbath. Do you have another explanation for that passage.

Kiddo is an enduring term. I use it with my kids. No harm meant.

How can we be all one in Christ if we all disagree with His teaching And disagree with the 2,000 year teaching of The Church? Your logic makes no sense!!!

Mary

Eph 4:5 one faith of Christians
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[theefaith]

You just said it yourself. Why not let God interpret it, as He said He does in the verses I cited. For if not, you get what you do, "confusion", "Catholicism", "Mystery" "Babylon". I told you the truth. You must choose. Who will interpret for you? I have already made my choice.

You just said it yourself. Why not let God interpret it, as He said He does in the verses I cited. For if not, you get what you do, "confusion", "Catholicism", "Mystery" "Babylon". I told you the truth. You must choose. Who will interpret for you? I have already made my choice.

If not catholic then what is the one true physical visible church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles???

 

[Marymog]

What I suggested is absolutely true and you repeated it again. Jesus Himself is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. You deny again His right to communicate directly with man. And your pope agreed with you of course when he told Catholics that they should never dare to approach God directly to seek forgiveness of sin. Do you know the meaning of the word Antichrist?

Oooops....You didn't even try to answer my question. lets try again.........
Where does Scripture say that you are the pillar and foundation of truth?

 

[WaterSong]

Ok...You don't follow, or trust the interpretation of Scripture, of John Knox or other men. You trust your own interpretation. Soooooo what I think you are saying you follow you because you trust you and no one else?

I said I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. You ignored that.
Let's make this simple. You aren't able to address what I actually post which means we're not having a conversation.

That's fine with me.
God Bless.

 

[Marymog]

You just said it yourself. Why not let God interpret it, as He said He does in the verses I cited. For if not, you get what you do, "confusion", "Catholicism", "Mystery" "Babylon". I told you the truth. You must choose. Who will interpret for you? I have already made my choice.

Ok ReChoired. Let's put your theory into practice:

I read Scripture. By the guidance of the Holy Ghost I interpret from that Scripture the Truth.

You read Scripture. By the guidance of the Holy Ghost you interpret from that Scripture the Truth.\

Both our "truths" are different!

Did your God or did my God reveal the Truth?

Patient Mary

 

[Marymog]

I said I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. You ignored that.
Let's make this simple. You aren't able to address what I actually post which means we're not having a conversation.

That's fine with me.
God Bless.

OK WS...lets put your theory into practice and make this very simple:

1 billion Christians read Scripture and interpret from what they read how to properly and faithfully "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ".

1 billion different Christians read Scripture and interpret from what they read how to properly and faithfully "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ" but their interpretation is different.

Which 1 billion Christians are "following the teachings of Jesus Christ"?

Keeping it simple.....Mary

 

[Marymog]

SMH.

Why did you SHH? Do you not think that my church is The Church established by Christ?

I already know you don't sooooooo that means you must KNOW what Church is The Church that was started by Christ. Which one is it Backlit?

Patient Mary

 

[theefaith]

Oooops....You didn't even try to answer my question. lets try again.........
Where does Scripture say that you are the pillar and foundation of truth?

You may repent but you cannot be saved without a priest

 

[theefaith]

OK WS...lets put your theory into practice and make this very simple:

1 billion Christians read Scripture and interpret from what they read how to properly and faithfully "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ".

1 billion different Christians read Scripture and interpret from what they read how to properly and faithfully "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ" but their interpretation is different.

Which 1 billion Christians are "following the teachings of Jesus Christ"?

Keeping it simple.....Mary

we must be taught by the apostles Matt 16:28 Lk 1:1-4

 

[Marymog]

Hi Backlit,

You seemed to be confused by my statement; Ok.....I looked it up. The text of Genesis states that God blessed and hallowed the seventh day, not the Sabbath.

Here is what Scripture says in Genesis 2: “And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation” (2:2-3).

Sooooo as you can see what I said was a quote direct from Scripture. Adventists conflate the seventh day with the Sabbath and read back into the Genesis story a divine creation of the Sabbath that Scripture records as having occurred much later in Exodus.

Maybe I shouldn't quote Scripture since Scripture confuses you?

Bible Study Mary

 

[theefaith]

Hi Backlit,

You seemed to be confused by my statement; Ok.....I looked it up. The text of Genesis states that God blessed and hallowed the seventh day, not the Sabbath.

Here is what Scripture says in Genesis 2: “And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation” (2:2-3).

Sooooo as you can see what I said was a quote direct from Scripture. Adventists conflate the seventh day with the Sabbath and read back into the Genesis story a divine creation of the Sabbath that Scripture records as having occurred much later in Exodus.

Maybe I shouldn't quote Scripture since Scripture confuses you?

Bible Study Mary

still we are in a new covenant with a new creation
Behold I make all things new