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Michiah-Imla

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what is the gospel , can you give us your definition so we don't confuse the true gospel with a false gospel.

The gospel needs no definition.

It needs only to be proclaimed:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

You seek a definition because you already have a perverted one in my estimation.
 

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The gospel needs no definition.

It needs only to be proclaimed:

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

You seek a definition because you already have a perverted one in my estimation.
you can't define it because you do not know what the gospel is.

so who is perverting the truth ?

oh and big deal satan quotes scripture just like you are doing.
 
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God desires for us to keep the law rather than requiring us to keep it.
No, we are required to keep it. We are commanded in many places to keep various laws. Example......

James 2:1
1My brothers, as you hold out your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, do not show favoritism. Leviticus 19:15
 
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All of them.

The only and effective way scripture tells me how to:

By Loving my friends and enemies.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And Jesus himself said:

Joh 14:23 ...If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So if you believe you cannot keep all of God’s commandments you have been listening to the wrong voices.


what do you expect by following he law? do you think this is what saves you?
 

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@BarnyFife and @marks

Maybe this will help.

Grace, itself, is divine power 2 Peter 1:2-4
But we receive it without merit on our part, just repentance of what we cannot do on our own.
That is when Jesus gives us His own power, the Spirit, to make us born again with the laws of God written on our hearts, so that we CAN do righteousness as part of our new divine nature that has taken on eternal life. (The body (our shell) must still die and take on immortality).
 

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Says who?

Scripture says that believers establish the law:

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

Romans 4
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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:13-15
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13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 3
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3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:10-13
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10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:23-25
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23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
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6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

YOur understanding of the verse you posted needs much clarification.
 

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No, we are required to keep it. We are commanded in many places to keep various laws. Example......

Not only that, but breaking some laws are damnable if we live in an ongoing state of breaking those particular laws.

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.
 
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Moral law inscribed on tablets of stone

Thanks for your reply.


Deut 5:
[1] And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
[2] The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[3] The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
[4] The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
[5] (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the work of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
[6] I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
[7] Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
[8] Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
[9] Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
[10] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
[11] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
[12] Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
[13] Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
[14] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
[15] And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
[16] Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[17] Thou shalt not kill.
[18] Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
[19] Neither shalt thou steal.
[20] Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[21] Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
[22] These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
[23] And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[24] And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.

THE LAW...Is this the Specific Law, "THE LAW" repeated over and over IN Scripture?

Is this "THE LAW" ... People repeatedly ACCUSE "other people" of violating?

Is this "THE LAW" ... IF Violated...IS an "ACT" CALLED "A SIN" ?
 

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not NO law...for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2)....even the law of faith (Romans 3:27)



The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

Time wise, say one man, one entire day?

What about a man who walks after the Spirit ...12 of 24 hrs?

And that same man who walks NOT after the Spirit ... 12 of 24 hrs?

Is he at the end of 24 hours a Righteous man or not?
 

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Time wise, say one man, one entire day?

What about a man who walks after the Spirit ...12 of 24 hrs?

And that same man who walks NOT after the Spirit ... 12 of 24 hrs?

Is he at the end of 24 hours a Righteous man or not?

It has been my experience that if I happen to go out of the Spirit, the Spirit gets me in line immediately. It is called a super-sensitized conscience. It is much more comfortable IN the Spirit, believe me! And He makes it easy to stay. Those pinches hurt!
 
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Of course no one us going to make the claim in those words,

LOL why not?
If someone believed they had some "ridiculous THING", as "a LICENSE TO SIN"...
Why not SHARE how others can GET the Same "THING"? LOL


it sounds too harsh, you know better. Now tell me what have you proven because no one will come right out and say it?

Your claim:
People claim they have a License to sin.

Evidence? None.

Pss 7:
[14] Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

I see, you are calling me liar,

False. I said no such thing.

Pss 7:
[14] Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

Pss 7:
[15] He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
 

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No, we are required to keep it. We are commanded in many places to keep various laws. Example......

James 2:1
1My brothers, as you hold out your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, do not show favoritism. Leviticus 19:15

So, are we no longer forgiven if we fail to keep the law perfectly?

And, if that is the case, is that not the same thing as saying that we are justified by the law?

However, the scripture says,

Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Time wise, say one man, one entire day?

What about a man who walks after the Spirit ...12 of 24 hrs?

And that same man who walks NOT after the Spirit ... 12 of 24 hrs?

Is he at the end of 24 hours a Righteous man or not?

It depends on which twelve hours he walked not after the Spirit; the first or the last (see Ezekiel 33:11-20).
 
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It has been my experience that if I happen to go out of the Spirit, the Spirit gets me in line immediately. It is called a super-sensitized conscience. It is much more comfortable IN the Spirit, believe me! And He makes it easy to stay. Those pinches hurt!

And what is an Example, according to you, of one "going out" of the Spirit?
 

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***snip your quoting of Deuteronomy 5***

THE LAW...Is this the Specific Law, "THE LAW" repeated over and over IN Scripture?

Is this "THE LAW" ... People repeatedly ACCUSE "other people" of violating?

Is this "THE LAW" ... IF Violated...IS an "ACT" CALLED "A SIN" ?

It is not only the ten commandments that define sin for us, but all 613 in the Old Testament and all 1,028 in the New...

Of course, we can condense all of it down to 2 for safe-keeping....believe on the name of Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment (1 John 3:23)...all the rest define the specifics of how to obey these two...

If anyone is going to be saved through keeping the law, they must keep every jot and tittle perfectly from conception into eternity...Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48. Also Matthew 5:17-20.

But if you know that you are saved through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, keeping all of the law is not required...for you have been delivered from the law in order that you might no longer be bound by the letter but might become obedient to the spirit of what is written.

Being forgiven means that the law is not a requirement for you any longer while it is still what the Lord desires for you...and He will also work that obedience into you by His Spirit...not through fear of condemnation for disobeying...but through the motivation of the Spirit (God's love as it is shed abroad in your heart).
 
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