COVID and church
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historyb
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Went to Mass today and have for months. Of course there are only 5 of us but we are not gong to hide. Of course we take precautions like wearing mask, hand sanitizer all over, individual Eucharist. The only way to get the Real Presence is at Church
I miss being there, I have A-typical cystic fibrosis and not sure what affect COVID-19 would have on me so I'm playing it as safe as I can. Merry Christmas!
It was nice to watch mass this morning! Really good Christmas mass.
JesusLovesYou
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The passage from Matthew refers to those who come in the name of Jesus and preach a different Gospel. Those who let themselves to be affected by God's Word will give the fruit that the Holy Spirit yields, whereas those who preach just to show themselves bear fruit that does not come from the Holy Spirit but from the sinful nature. And yes, these teachings will affect the Church, but the subject in this passage has to do with the teachers and their teachings.
And it is popular nowadays to say that there is more than one way leading to heaven, but apart from "the truth, the way, and the life", there is no other way to the Father. The problem that appears is when different groups of believers embrace teachings which are misleading, and this lie spreads like a wild fire, devouring everyone. Instead of standing for the truth, everyone makes up the truth as they go along and not only go astray themselves, but at the same time cause others to wander off. As Apostle Paul said at one point, we should stand firm in the things we agree, and as for the rest, may God shine His light on us.
Michael1985
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The more people gather with each other, the more potential there is for virus spread. I'm fully supportive of any measures that can reduce that risk, including restricting or prohibiting faith-based gatherings. Our first responsibility is to protect our fellow man, and our devotion to our Almighty God can certainly be undertaken in private.
historyb
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Prayer Warrior
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I now agree, I've repeatedly read and heard stories of churches getting infected by COVID-19. Thanks @Michael1985 , Merry Christmas
Please don't talk to me about "intellectual dishonesty". I have posted numerous original articles from doctors and epidemiologists (and other respected professionals) which have all exposed the COVID fraud. The onus is on you to do a thorough search of what has been published.
The World Health Organization (WHO) -- supposedly a trustworthy source -- has finally admitted that the PCR tests (which have been used to inflate the number of so-called "cases") can seriously produce false positives. And because it has not been properly used (CT cycles above 40), that is indeed what has happened.
WHO Information Notice for IVD Users
Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use real-time polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2
14 December 2020
Purpose of this notice: To ensure users of certain nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies are aware of certain aspects of the instructions for use (IFU) for all products.
Description of the problem: WHO has received user feedback on an elevated risk for false SARS-CoV-2 results when testing specimens using RT-PCR reagents on open systems.
As with any diagnostic procedure, the positive and negative predictive values for the product in a given testing population are important to note. As the positivity rate for SARS-CoV-2 decreases, the positive predictive value also decreases. This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as positivity rate decreases, irrespective of the assay specificity. Therefore, healthcare providers are encouraged to take into consideration testing results along with clinical signs and symptoms, confirmed status of any contacts, etc.
Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result. The design principle of RT-PCR means that for patients with high levels of circulating virus (viral load), relatively few cycles will be needed to detect virus and so the Ct value will be low.
Conversely, when specimens return a high Ct value, it means that many cycles were required to detect virus. In some circumstances, the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain. Thus, the IFU will state how to interpret specimens at or near the limit for PCR positivity. In some cases, the IFU will state that the cut-off should be manually adjusted to ensure that specimens with high Ct values are not incorrectly assigned SARS-CoV-2 detected due to background noise.
Manufacturers regularly review the design of their product, including labelling and IFU based on customer feedback. In the early phases of the COVID-19 pandemic, in vitro diagnostics (IVDs) were rapidly developed, validated and verified, and then rolled out. Therefore, it is not unexpected that IVDs may require refinement based on user feedback after their introduction at scale. Users should verify the version of the IFU with each consignment they receive to see if any changes have been made to the IFU.
Advice on action to be taken by users:
- Please read carefully the IFU in its entirety.
- Contact your local representative if there is any aspect of the IFU that is unclear to you.
- Check the IFU for each incoming consignment to detect any changes to the IFU.
- Consider any positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) or negative results (SARS-CoV-2 not detected) in combination with specimen type, clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.
- Provide the Ct value in the report to the requesting healthcare provider.
Please disseminate this notice to all those who need to be aware within your organization or to any organization where the potentially affected product has been deployed and used.
Contact person for further information:
Anita SANDS, Regulation and Prequalification, World Health Organization, e-mail: [email protected]
"Many articles have been written about it, by many experts in the field, medical journalists and other researchers. It’s been commonly available knowledge, for months now, that any test using a CT value over 35 is potentially meaningless."
WHO (Finally) Admits PCR Tests Create False Positives | ZeroHedge
I don,t really want to get off topic, but I chose between Catholic and Mormon. I still like Catholic, but enjoy the Holy Spirit in the Mormon church, they believe in revelation and prophecy ongoing. And I saw God the Father with a body and Heavenly Mother in communions.
Prayer Warrior
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Oh, yeah, let's not get off topic, but your religion is a very interesting combination.
WHO Information Notice for IVD Users
Here is the link confirming the contents of your post. Not many people are willing to potentially go on a wild goose chase just to verify your controversial claims.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives
Zero Hedge - Media Bias Fact Check
ZeroHedge is not a reliable source. It is extremely politically biased and has a low levels of factual reporting. This website has been known for making doomsday predictions since its founding in 2009. Because of this article's heavy use of technical language, this can potentially lead to people taking advantage of people's ignorance by twisting its meaning. Based on my research, the average reading level of an American is Grade 7 or 8.[1][2]
I am not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying I have dealt with people whom are incredibly reliant on their target's ignorance on the subject in order to "win" a debate.
Everyone is running around wearing silly looking masks and yet it does not help keep anyone safe. The virus is RAMPANT! It's a political POWER circus.
I agree with that with one exception, masks can limit the cough exposure if the person coughing is wearing a mask. So it can limit the distance a cough could infect, keeping at 6 feet then makes sense. Cheers. And Merry Christmas.
I read an article about a missionary that worked with lepers, brave man of Christ, he recently died of leprous. He did the right thing, and a better man than I am. Cheers.
@historyb I recently let some homeless friends stay with me, I ended up with a toenail fungus and a flea infestation, after two rounds of antibiotics, two ER visits for flea bite infections, $50 dollars in flea pesticides, a month of fleas, God repaired me. The point is, yeah you can do the right thing, but you better be prepared to pay for it. Not to sound discouraging, just being realistic, Cheers!
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historyb
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More so fear has been spread by the media and some powers that be. The reality of the situation is not what you think @Devin Wintch, it's just fear which to see humans give into is a tragic thing and something I had thought the human race was rising above but you all haven't and now you all are much easier to control by forces that don't ave your all best intention in mind. Sure there is a virus and there was one just as bad under Obama but no one shutdown even though death numbers were high. Remember hospital are getting paid for every case they say they have whether they do or not. Not everything is as straight forward as you think it is.
Life must go on and not stopped. As my Priest says the government in the US is not responsible for our lives, we are. Give us the info and inform us about safety but stay out of our lives. This whole thing has been political from the very get go and lies piled upon lies have been told but like good sheeple people follow. The founding fathers did not fight and die for our freedoms so we could turn around and give them up to the government so easily. The WHO has said lock downs do not work they make things so much worse. Do you know mental problems, drug and alcohol abuse has skyrocketed all from lock downs. The WHO has just recently said that the test is not accurate and it test for coronavirus not covid.
Just like in 1918-19 Boston shut down and when they opened cases when through the roof but the town next to them never shut down and they were fine. The answer is not to cower in fear, liberals want that and to take or rights away. Be smart not fearful unless of course the Bible is completely wrong than live in fear and of course there would be no God.
Life must go on and not stopped. As my Priest says the government in the US is not responsible for our lives, we are. Give us the info and inform us about safety but stay out of our lives. This whole thing has been political from the very get go and lies piled upon lies have been told but like good sheeple people follow. The founding fathers did not fight and die for our freedoms so we could turn around and give them up to the government so easily. The WHO has said lock downs do not work they make things so much worse. Do you know mental problems, drug and alcohol abuse has skyrocketed all from lock downs. The WHO has just recently said that the test is not accurate and it test for coronavirus not covid.
Just like in 1918-19 Boston shut down and when they opened cases when through the roof but the town next to them never shut down and they were fine. The answer is not to cower in fear, liberals want that and to take or rights away. Be smart not fearful unless of course the Bible is completely wrong than live in fear and of course there would be no God.
There's a difference between fear/courage and wisdom/foolishness. I had a psychiatrist that put it well, there are rational and irrational fears. A rational fear is being afraid to enter a bear enclosure at the zoo out of fear of being attacked, an irrational fear is being afraid to go hiking out of fear that you might be attacked by a bear (unless you're female and it's your time of the month at which point bears smell you from a distance). People in high risk groups like me should be rational and cautious and not foolish.
OK, so I don't follow the propaganda too much either. I find it mainly paranoid and delusional. And there is some of that on both sides. Apparently everyone has some level of paranoia, per study findings pointed out to me by a psychiatrist also. Which is why I trust experts and require evidence of my ideas. The best way to avoid normal paranoia is to be aware you have it.
I do go out and take care of myself, like going to the store and visiting friends when my health improves, maybe attending church when my health improves (my church doesn't sing right now so it should be OK as long as there's not too many people there), appointments, etc. The church next to my house sings which totally bi-passes the mask protection, like repeated coughing in a mask.
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1. Only 1 in 8 hospitals is maxed out according to the reports I have checked, which is only 12.5% of all hospitals.
2. The real problem is that there is no trustworthy information about this scamdemic any more.
3. The mainstream media have been deliberately misleading the public since they wish to promote fear-mongering, panic, and loss of liberties. So you cannot trust CNN, ABC, NBC, MSN, MSNBC, NPR, etc. Neither the NY Times, the NY Post, nor the Washington Post.
4. Public health officials have been lying to everyone since January. Do we know whether hospitals are being filled with flu patients who are being counted as COVID patients? After all this is the flu season. We know that CDC has been fudging the data since the beginning.
5. Hospitals have been encouraged to over-report COVID incidents and deaths since there is a monetary incentive through Medicare. Also it has been established that COVID patients should not be put on ventilators (which do more harm than good) but the cash incentive is huge ($39,000).
6. And why is HCQ (the combo package) still being blocked by the FDA, AMA, NIH, CDC at this time when it could prevent much of this hospitalization? This is the key issue. Claiming to want to save lives and then blocking life-saving treatments is criminal.
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