ROMANS: JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH

[Doug]

Not alone though, we are saved by Grace through faith

"I don't believe in Salvation by Faith alone but Salvation by God's Grace alone through faith,"

Please expound on what you mean

 

[Truther]

(Romans 5:1 KJV) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

By faith we are justified (declared righteous) at the present time; justification is in our possession as a gift, by grace. Justification is through Christ.

(Romans 3:28 KJV) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Justification is only by faith. The law could never justify unto eternal life.

(Romans 4:5 KJV) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Our faith is counted for righteousness not our works. The ungodly are justified by believing on Christ, by believing the gospel. We can not do anything to justify ourselves, being ungodly by nature.

(Habakkuk 2:4 KJV) Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

The righteousness of God has always been by faith.

(Romans 5:10 KJV) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We were enemies of God, but being reconciled, we have peace with God.

(Psalm 85:10 KJV) Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed [each other].

Righteousness and peace have kissed in Christ, even as John says in John 1:17.

(Colossians 1:20 KJV) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

We have been reconciled. God purposed to make peace with us and reconcile us through Christ Jesus, by the blood of his cross.

Wrath appears in scripture:

(Romans 1:18 KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Wrath is against all ungodliness and unrighteousness.

(Ephesians 2:3 KJV) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Wrath is against the children of wrath.

(Romans 4:15 KJV) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.

The law can not be obeyed, and works wrath and cursing:

(Galatians 3:10, 13 KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:

There was wrath according to prophecy:

(Matthew 3:7 KJV) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

We have been saved from wrath and are justified by the blood of Christ:

(1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

(Romans 5:9 KJV) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Only those that obey Acts 2:38 are justified by faith per Romans.

Sinners that skip Acts do not qualify.

 

[justbyfaith]

Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Well you are obviously listening to someone, just not Him, all claim to be by the spirit yet by there very own words deny Him.

Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

How can you hear when you say your are not listening.

I listen well enough....it is just that I listen with discernment...and I find that the demons who pose as the voice of Jesus cannot go very long before blundering with some kind of blatant lie at some point in their discourse if I just keep listening to them. At that point I recognize that they are not Jesus at all but that they are demons posing as Jesus.

I think that I do hear Jesus some of the time.

And when you say this:

Well you are obviously listening to someone, just not Him,

I think that you have three fingers pointing back at you.

Does it not make sense that if demons pose as the voice of Jesus, it is possible that the "Jesus" you are hearing is not really Him but a demon posing as His voice?

This is why I admonish you to exercise more discernment and test what these spirits are saying by the word of God.

Especially sine they are lying to you by leading you down the wrong path in that you continue to deny the essential-for-salvation doctrine of the Deity of Christ.

 

[dev553344]

In Romans 2:13 we are told that it is the doers of the law who will be justified.

This does not mean that we are justified through law-keeping; it means that those who are justified by Christ will not be violators of the law.

If we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that we will violate or that will condemn us for our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23).

Therefore, there is a righteousness of the Lord apart from the law, that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21), that it is righteousness indeed.

Fact of the matter is, the venue by which we obtain this righteousness is not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.

It is through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit. And in this, the righteousness of the do's and don'ts will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

For we walk by faith, and not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7).

Therefore, since in walking by faith we will be obedient to the leadings and promptings of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, our righteousness, which amounts to being obedient to the standard of do's and don'ts, is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts. It is achieved by faith.

This doesn't sound like sound doctrine to me. Romans 2:13 says what it means, you shouldn't try to distort the message to suit a particular belief system that you may have developed. In order to be saved you must act for Christ and obey his laws, unless it's beneath you because of some flaw in your nature. Matthew 25:35-46. Is that what you are saying?

 

[justbyfaith]

This doesn't sound like sound doctrine to me. Romans 2:13 says what it means, you shouldn't try to distort the message to suit a particular belief system that you may have developed.

How have I distorted the message?

I believe that what I have preached here is, in fact, sound doctrine.

Are you of the opinion that a man can be justified through law-keeping?

 

[mjrhealth]

Does it not make sense that if demons pose as the voice of Jesus, it is possible that the "Jesus" you are hearing is not really Him but a demon posing as His voice?

This is why I admonish you to exercise more discernment and test what these spirits are saying by the word of God.

And you wonder why people say you are not listening to the Holy Spirit. If a voice told you to go murder someone, who would that be, or if a voice told you to deny God who might that be, or what if a voice told you to go help that man, who might that be, discernment, really you seem to place more faith in the bible than Christ Himself, and that is what gets so many into trouble.

As I said you wont drag me away from Christ into your crazy word .

 

[justbyfaith]

And you wonder why people say you are not listening to the Holy Spirit. If a voice told you to go murder someone, who would that be, or if a voice told you to deny God who might that be, or what if a voice told you to go help that man, who might that be, discernment, really you seem to place more faith in the bible than Christ Himself, and that is what gets so many into trouble.

As I said you wont drag me away from Christ into your crazy word .

And if a voice told you to reject the doctrine of Christ's Deity, who would that be?

I think that if we hold the Bible to be authoritative we know the answer.

But if a voice tells you that the Bible is not the word of God, who might that be?

Anyone who really knows Christ knows the answer to that question.

 

[dev553344]

How have I distorted the message?

I believe that what I have preached here is, in fact, sound doctrine.

Are you of the opinion that a man can be justified through law-keeping?

God justifies them that he chooses, but for many he requires keeping the law. Romans 2:13 indicates that God will justify doers of the Law. Matthew 25:35-46 confirms that. Hearers of the law are not justified and that would be them that say they are saved by faith alone but do not the law.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Devin Wintch,

How does Romans 3:28 fit into the equation?

 

[mjrhealth]

And if a voice told you to reject the doctrine of Christ's Deity, who would that be?

I think that if we hold the Bible to be authoritative we know the answer.

But if a voice tells you that the Bible is not the word of God, who might that be?

Anyone who really knows Christ knows the answer to that question.

Who said I did, I said He is not God He cannot be, Just because you refuse to go to Him for understanding is not my problem,

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

But if a voice tells you that the Bible is not the word of God, who might that be?

Yes the devil has convinced the world of a lie and people love it and Jesus said according to the bible,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have

you know what teh word of God is

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

it is not a book or the idol you have made it to be,

 

[dev553344]

@Devin Wintch,

How does Romans 3:28 fit into the equation?

How do you fit Romans 2:7-8 into any other equation or Matthew 19:20-26? There is something not understood here. And what is misunderstood is that we all fall short of perfection in Christ. Even if we do the law we will fall short. But if we obey the law Jesus may justify us as a gift. Therefore we must obey the law to be saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

Therefore we must obey the law to be saved.

That is a lie from the pit of hell.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Gal 6:13, For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[justbyfaith]

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have

The scriptures testify of Jesus Christ...

How is it that you do not receive all of the testimony that they give concerning Him?

 

[justbyfaith]

How do you fit Romans 2:7-8 into any other equation or Matthew 19:20-26? There is something not understood here. And what is misunderstood is that we all fall short of perfection in Christ. Even if we do the law we will fall short. But if we obey the law Jesus may justify us as a gift. Therefore we must obey the law to be saved.

How does Galatians 2:16 also fit into the equation?

 

[dev553344]

That is a lie from the pit of hell.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Gal 6:13, For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

We must be careful to not call God evil, God gave us the law so we should stop sinning and live righteous, but we will fall short and require God to save us. As Romans 2:13 should be clear that you must do the law, which is good and not a lie from hell.

 

[justbyfaith]

How do you fit Romans 2:7-8 into any other equation or Matthew 19:20-26? There is something not understood here. And what is misunderstood is that we all fall short of perfection in Christ. Even if we do the law we will fall short. But if we obey the law Jesus may justify us as a gift. Therefore we must obey the law to be saved.

Commentary on Romans.

 

[dev553344]

How does Galatians 2:16 also fit into the equation?

Simple, no one can walk perfect and therefore requires God to save them. You still must be a doer of the law to hope to be saved in the end.

 

[justbyfaith]

We must be careful to not call God evil, God gave us the law so we should stop sinning and live righteous, but we will fall short and require God to save us. As Romans 2:13 should be clear that you must do the law, which is good and not a lie from hell.

You cannot be justified through keeping the law (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48, Galatians 6:13, Galatians 2:16).

 

[justbyfaith]

Simple, no one can walk perfect and therefore requires God to save them. You still must be a doer of the law to hope to be saved in the end.

If you are saved in the now, you will become a doer of the law. But law-keeping justifies no one.

Faith produces both salvation and obedience to the law.

But obedience to the law does not produce salvation.

 

[dev553344]

You cannot be justified through keeping the law (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48, Galatians 6:13, Galatians 2:16).

You can't be justified as you will surely fall short of Christs perfection but by doing the law you can hope to be saved in the end. Cheers!