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[Ferris Bueller]

You can tell if you are circumcised by the Spirit in salvation by if the deeds of the flesh have been circumcised/cut off. If you're still living in your old life unchanged that shows you are not circumcised by the Spirit and are not saved. I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to see that. That's not a works gospel. That's the brutal truth people need to hear so they can get saved for real and stop playing once saved always saved games.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

God takes His Child , who has “ Stumbled” ( as James says) and takes him to His Wood- Shed.......That is the place where God Blisters the Behinds of His errant Children’....let's see how quickly a “ willfully sinning “ Child Of God abandons His “ Willful Sins” when God gets done with Him...

Stumbling and willfully sinning are two different things. Don't believe me? Believe 'what you read' here.....

Numbers 15:29-31
29One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you.
30“ ‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31Because they have despised the Lord’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’ ”

There is unintentional sin, and there is intentional, defiant sin. But you say that ALL sin is intentional. Read your Bible!

Hebrews 10:26-31 is literally based on Numbers 15:22-31 The defiant willful sinner is going to hell because there is no sacrifice for that sin. Not in the old covenant, not in this New Covenant. That's what the Bible says. The weak believer's sin who fails in his battle with sin is covered by the blood of Christ and will enter into the kingdom. Willful, defiant sin is a rejection of God's grace. Stumbling against your inner will in your trust in Christ is not a rejection of God's grace. Grace covers that person.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Congratulations. You do part of what God asks. Testifying to giving thousands of dollars and then calling others "self-righteous" is a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

If a man has the Holy Spirit Of God within him ( and without that Spirit , you are NONE of His!) ........ “GOD” is going to make a “ Cheerful Giver” out of you....as one being accused of not “ changing” my behavior enough , or whatever , I simply offer this up as evidence that there has been great Change in my life since-becoming a man of Faith....
I am not being “ self- Righteous “ by simply using a Truth in my Life to defend myself against ignorance and False Accusations ...
The attitude Of a “ Self-Righteous Giver” would be the same attitude that the Pharisees displayed when they Gave merely as a “ Proof-Text” that they were
Good Enough” to make it to Heaven by “their own” Merits......
I give because I actually BELIEVE a Promise Of God—- “ If you sow sparingly , you will reap sparingly .....if you sow greatly , you will reap greatly”
Faith is Believing a Promise Of God to the point that you will actually ACT upon it....My Giving is an Act Of Faith .....my Faith was a Gift from God.....There is NO room for me to take any credit for my Giving to God! The Desire to give is a Fruit Of The Spirit .....I just got Lucky....
Do those Truthful statements sound like they are coming from a Bragger ? A “ self-Righteous”, deceived , Pharisee ? Yeah.....I thought not.....apology accepted.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You just think they don't believe it. And that's because you're literally incapable of hearing anything outside of the beliefs you have been trained to believe. It's a waste of time to try to make you see anything outside of what you already believe. Most Christians are this way.

With all due respect.....it is my opinion that you would not know a True “ Christian” If one came up and bit you on your Behind....
If you really think I am “ incapable of hearing”..... it would only make sense for you to “ stop talking “..... I could live with that and it would be a Great Service to Newbies that have not been Ruined yet by Legalists and Spreaders Of Leaven....you know those types .....those that are” above “ being taught by somebody who just “might” be one of many Teachers that have been sent by God....
Btw..... I was a Christian 35 years before I even “ heard” of Andrew Farley.....
I can’t remember the last time I listened to him.....you NEED to listen to him....your Proud , Self-Righteous “ lone wolf” approach has left you with nothing but a brain full of “ religious Mush”.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You just think they don't believe it. And that's because you're literally incapable of hearing anything outside of the beliefs you have been trained to believe. It's a waste of time to try to make you see anything outside of what you already believe. Most Christians are this way.

“Can’t see outside of what one already believes?”.... If that is true, you would be the “ Poster Child”..... go look in the mirror.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

.....But then you come into a Christian forum and trash everyone who doesn't buy into your 'everything is lawful, sin all you want' theology. But lots of love and kisses for those who applaud your theology. I mean, let's be honest here. You aren't very charitable towards those you've falsely accused and judged as being self righteous. I'm just going by what you yourself told us. You yourself said you willfully sin. Don't get upset over what someone thinks about you based on what you yourself said about yourself.

To paraphrase Harry Truman..... “ I don't ‘trash’ Anybody .... I just tell them the “ Truth” , and they “ think” it’s trash...”
Of course I extend “ Love and kisses “ to those in agreement with me ! How about you? Human Nature 101.....
Whose “ upset ?” You ever see a man “ shooting fish in a barrel” appearing to be “ upset?” That is what I find myself doing this first day of the new year .....you guys are so easy to “shoot down”.... I got this huge Advantage over you....I know my Bible . Along with all of this “ brainwashing” I get from my so-called “evil” teachers , I have read the Bible many, many, many times —- like any good Berean does....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You really need to be a Bible reader. Shut Andrew Farley off and read the Bible for yourself. It says the person who continues in his sin is not born again. What do you not understand about that? It has nothing to do with a person repenting of all their sins so they can be saved as if salvation is by works. What you're not getting is there is no such thing as a born again person who continues in his old life of sin. You have to reject this exception that you have been taught to believe exists that there are born again people who are unchanged and unconverted in spirit. The truly born again person is a different person. If you're not different you aren't born again. That's not a works gospel.

Born again people “ are” changed.....changed SO MUCH that God considers them “ New Creations”
Please consider the following —- try to put it out of you mind that you did not come up with this “ on your own “ —— seeing as to how you are “above” any outside teaching.....perhaps some Newbies here will get something out if this:


Question: "Does a Christian have two natures?"

Answer: The first problem that comes up with this question is one of semantics. For example, many prefer "sin nature," others prefer "sinful nature," and still others prefer the ambiguous "flesh." Whatever the specific names used for the warring parties, what is relevant is that an ongoing battle rages within the Christian.

The second problem is the actual definition of "nature." How this significant word is defined determines how one sees the distinction between the “old man” and the “new man” and its relevant outworking in the life of the Christian. One way to view "nature" is to understand it as a "capacity" within a believer. Thus, the old man is interpreted as the former way of life, that of an unbeliever. In this sense, the Christian has two competing capacities within him—the old capacity to sin and the new capacity to resist sinning. The unbeliever has no such competition within; he does not have the capacity for godliness because he has only the sin nature. That’s not to say he cannot do “good works,” but his motivation for those works is always tainted by his sinfulness. In addition, he cannot resist sinning because he doesn’t have the capacity to not sin.

The believer, on the other hand, has the capacity for godliness because the Spirit of God lives within him or her. He still has the capacity for sin as well, but he now has the ability to resist sin and, more importantly, the desire to resist and to live godly. When Christ was crucified, the old man was crucified with Him, resulting in the Christian’s no longer being a slave to sin (Romans 6:6). We “have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness” (Romans 6:18).

At the moment of conversion, the Christian receives a new nature. It is instantaneous. Sanctification, on the other hand, is the process by which God develops our new nature, enabling us to grow into more holiness through time. This is a continuous process with many victories and defeats as the new nature battles with the “tent” in which it resides—the old man, old nature, flesh.

In Romans 7, Paul explains the battle that rages continually in even the most spiritually mature people. He laments that he does what he doesn’t want to do and, in fact, does the evil he detests. He says that is the result of “sin living in me” (Romans 7:20). He delights in God’s law according to his “inner being,” but he sees another law at work in “the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members” (v. 23). Here is the classic example of the two entities, whatever terms they may carry. The point is that the battle is real, and it is one Christians will wage throughout their lives.

This is why believers are encouraged to put to death the deeds of the body (Romans 8:13), to put to death that which makes a Christian sin (Colossians 3:5), and to put aside other sins such as anger, wrath, malice, etc. (Colossians 3:8). All this to say that the Christian has two natures—the old and the new—but the new nature needs continual renewing (Colossians 3:10). This renewing, of course, is a lifetime process for the Christian. Even though the battle against sin is constant, we are no longer under the control of sin (Romans 6:6). The believer is truly a “new creation” in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), and it is Christ who will ultimately “rescue [us] from this body of death. Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!” (Romans 7:24–25).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Stumbling and willfully sinning are two different things. Don't believe me? Believe 'what you read' here.....

Numbers 15:29-31
29One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you.
30“ ‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31Because they have despised the Lord’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’ ”

There is unintentional sin, and there is intentional, defiant sin. But you say that ALL sin is intentional. Read your Bible!

Hebrews 10:26-31 is literally based on Numbers 15:22-31 The defiant willful sinner is going to hell because there is no sacrifice for that sin. Not in the old covenant, not in this New Covenant. That's what the Bible says. The weak believer's sin who fails in his battle with sin is covered by the blood of Christ and will enter into the kingdom. Willful, defiant sin is a rejection of God's grace. Stumbling against your inner will in your trust in Christ is not a rejection of God's grace. Grace covers that person.

King David proved that he was a “ Willful Sinner” when he “ WILLFULLY” set up the Murder Of Bathsheba’s Husband after he WILLFULLY committed Adultery with her.
No Forgiveness and No Grace for David, eh? Please Explain, according to your self-taught , beyond reproach Doctrine , Why was David referred to as a man “ after God's heart” and why is he called a “hero of Faith” in the Bible ? If there “no Sacrifice for willful sins “ and if guys like David rejected God’s Grace—- how did they make it to Heaven....
Moses WILLFULLY murdered an Egyptian Slave Overseer in his early years ....explain how Moses made it to Heaven when you get done enlightening us on David’s EXTREMELY Wicked, Purposeful, WILLFUl sin, that God Forgave and “ remembered no more”.......
I find it very revealing that most of the stuff that you and justbyfaith Plus Lucky Repentance come-up with is stuff from the Old Testament ....stuff from the Age Of Law.....stuff BEFORE the Cross ....That CROSS that changed everything! Ever hear of a thing called the “Age Of Grace”.... you guys REALLY need to learn about it.....All “self-taught” Bible experts should know these things.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Time to start listening. You don't keep the law to earn God's favor. You 'keep' the law because you have God's favor. Understand? Yes, or no?

If your 'faith' is not upholding the law then you do not have God's favor in salvation. Your unchanged, lawless, purposely sinning life shows you do not have the favor of God in salvation.

The Galatians were keeping the law in order to be justified. That has nothing to do with a person upholding the law because they are already justified by faith in Christ. See the difference? Yes, or no?

Do whatever You WANT with the Law ! A Wise man , after he has used it for its INTENDED purpose ( which was to lead him to Christ, because he saw that he could not “ keep” it), that “wise” man will use it like a smart Car Owner will use his Car Instruction Manual.Its there for you own Good ! Obey it and be blessed! Disobey it and get bad results ! Simple as that....
Just don’t tell me that obedience to the Law will GET you saved or KEEP you saved.Two OTHER things do that —- The Blood Of Jesus Christ and your FAITH in that Blood.
Personally , I abandoned that Law . Yep. I traded It in for something BETTER when it came to pleasing God .Its called the Holy Spirit. Because of that Indwelling Holy Spirit , all of those Old Testament “ Laws” I was forced to obey because I “ had” to , have now become things I do because I “ want” to.
It’s the secret of true Christianity.....I do as Paul said .I finish the Christian Walk the same way I started it— Faith. Because of that Faith, God puts His Spirit in me . That Spirit has showed me how to truly “ Sabbath” ......I REST in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ....I do what I want....God has changed my “Wants”—— they line-up with HIS Wants.....
As is so true of many things in this life ..... ya really have to “ Live It” to understand it.....good luck with that this New Year......

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1208

King David proved that he was a “ Willful Sinner” when he “ WILLFULLY” set up the Murder Of Bathsheba’s Husband after he WILLFULLY committed Adultery with her.

David got caught up in adultery which led to murder, which led to the death of his baby son, Amnon, Absolom, and Adonijah. This was allowed to happen to serve as a lesson to us not to follow in these steps (Romans 15:4). Not to encourage us to be guilt free in sinning.

Also, David never committed these acts again.

Moses WILLFULLY murdered an Egyptian Slave Overseer in his early years ...

This happened before the burning bush and before his close relationship with God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Faith is Believing a Promise Of God to the point that you will actually ACT upon it...

Which is why not acting upon the promises of God shows you to NOT have saving faith in God. Acting on the promises shows that you believe in the promises. Not acting on them shows you do not. James uses Abraham's obedience to teach this essential truth. The truth that escapes the church because they have been mislead by misused and abused once saved always saved teachings that make them comfortable in their unchanged unbelieving lives.

24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. James 2:24

Faith that causes you to act, that's the faith that justifies. Not the faith that is alone and does nothing. That's fake faith, the faith that can not save.

6 ...(to be justified) The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:6

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1209

That Spirit has showed me how to truly “ Sabbath” ......I REST in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing .

Well Paul spoke of grace PLUS these:

1. Abstain from fornication.
2. Do not defraud your neighbor.
3. Know how to posses your vessel in sanctification and honor.

1 Thessalonians 4:2-7 KJV
[2] For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. [3] For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: [4] That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; [5] Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: [6] That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. [7] For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

And there’s much more that Paul Added to the message of Grace in all his letters, which you seem to not comprehend (2 Peter 3:16).

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...those that are” above “ being taught by somebody who just “might” be one of many Teachers that have been sent by God..

True believers do not follow fake shepherds. Not for long anyway. And by the way, I learn way more just by talking to other people who also read their Bibles. I learn about the latest trend in false theology by talking to those who follow teachers instead of following the Bible.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

...your Proud , Self-Righteous “ lone wolf” approach has left you with nothing but a brain full of “ religious Mush”.....

I've learned more from talking to Bible reading Christians on the internet than I have from any pastor or teacher. With the exception of my first two pastors.......way back in the late '80s. And I've learned all about the latest false theology tickling the ears of the church from people who follow teachers and don't read the Bible for themselves. Now, all the church does is churn out pastors taught to parrot the theological statements of their respective denomination and who do not read the Bible for themselves and have no illumination or inspiration of the Spirit of their own.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your particular cultural practices determine if you're doing something the law governs and so need to obey the law concerning those practices. For example, "Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement"—Deuteronomy 23:12-14. We don't crap on the ground in our culture for that law to have any application to us. But if we did we would do that according to the law. It's almost like the church thinks if we're going to be under the law then we have to start crapping on the ground to be in compliance with the law. That's not what upholding the law means, but that's the kind of convoluted thinking the church has.


Both those practices are governed by the law. Just because we approve of those things in our culture does not mean we are relieved of the responsibility to govern ourselves according to the law. Which, by the way, shows that the law is not only for the Jew. Judgment is coming to the United States, and is already here because of these two very things (among others). As Paul said, the whole world will be judged according to the law. The law the church claims was only given to the Jews.

Well these were all rhetorical questions posed to you. For the law was rendered null and void by Jesus' death and resurrection!
We are righteous by Jesus and not adherence to the law of Christ (for the law of Moses is no more)

Paul made this clear in galatians when he called the law a schoolmaster and that when faith (in Christ) came we were no longer under a school master!

My obedience to the Law of Christ (not Moses) is an outward sign that Jesus has made me righteous. Not to attain to a righteous place, get saved, stay saved or get more saved or make myself more pleasing to God! All that is through Jesus alone + nothing!

His love for me has caused my love for HIm and my desire to do those things that are pleasing to Him. The 613 commands are gone including teh ten written in stone that minister death, and have been replaced with the Law of Christ with its 1008 commands. Both laws had the same purpose, to bring those under them blessing and prosperity (not the name it and claim it kind) while we live.

God saves us. God keeps us, we choose whether we shall be obedient or disobedient children of God!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette In the end it's the Word itself that is the reference point...

In teh beginning the word is the reference point. As we move from that stating place, we either are faithful to the Word or we subtly shift its meaning because of bias, or lack of knowledge or having held wrong teaching on that starting point.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's right. We no longer need, for example, the literal Mosaic Feast of Unleavened Bread to point us toward the reality that gets accomplished in us through the New Way of Christ and faith in him.


In this New Covenant the law is written on your heart, so that you can keep what's left for us to literally keep (summarized in 'love your neighbor as yourself'). It doesn't kill you because you are able to keep it now, and, when you fail to keep it through weakness or ignorance, the blood of Christ cleanses you from that sin guilt. The law engraved on tablets of stone only kills unbelievers, not believers. They are the ones who do not have the Holy Spirit writing the law on their hearts, nor do they have the blood of Christ applied to them to forgive transgressions of God's commands.

I do not love my neighbor because the Mosaic law (given to the nation of Israel and not the gentile nations) , but I love my neighbor because it is a command for the church found in the NT! I do not take the name of teh Lord in vain because teh Law of Moses says not to, but because I am righteous through Jesus and to show that righteousness, I obey the New Testament command to not take His name emptily.

IOf teh NT did not have an ordinance against such then it would not be sin if the Church took HIs name in vain!

Let me try to give an example. IN the late 1700's , the US was governed by the continental congress, then by the US Congress after we won the American REbellion against England. The New US CONGRESS re-enacted many laws from the old Continental Congress. People kept obeying them not because they were from the old continental congress, but because they were enacted by the US Congress. The old with its laws was done away with! The new was established.

This is the same with the Mosaic Law and the Lawe of Christ! All 613 Laws of Moses were done away with and the New lawe of Christ was established! Anything re-established in the Law of Christ has no bearing with the fact it was also in the Law of Moses for obedience purposes.
both the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ are whole units that are indivisible.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

For the law was rendered null and void by Jesus' death and resurrection!

Then what does this mean?

Romans 3:31
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Please explain to us why we can ignore this verse of scripture.

We are righteous by Jesus and not adherence to the law of Christ (for the law of Moses is no more)

EVERYBODY knows you are not made righteous by keeping laws. The church does not need to be reminded of this. The problem is we've gone the complete other way and decided that since you aren't made righteous by the law you don't have to uphold the law. You just have to have warm fuzzy feelings for everyone. And look what a worthless do nothing church that teaching has created.

Paul made this clear in galatians when he called the law a schoolmaster and that when faith (in Christ) came we were no longer under a school master!

What law? Be circumcised? Or, love your neighbor as yourself? Please explain what the law being a school master means.

My obedience to the Law of Christ (not Moses) is an outward sign that Jesus has made me righteous.

Can you explain this to @Blood Bought 1953 , please? He swears that's not true. He calls that a self righteous gospel.

Not to attain to a righteous place, get saved, stay saved or get more saved or make myself more pleasing to God!

Everybody knows you don't become righteous by keeping any law. And in regard to making oneself more pleasing to God, what do I do with these, throw them away?

Ephesians 5:10
10and find out what pleases the Lord.

Ephesians 5:17
17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.

These two verses were instrumental in leading me to living for God in the fruit of the Spirit and an upholding of the righteous requirements of the law. The church wants me to throw these away because that would be a works gospel. As I'm showing over and over again, the church does not read the Bible. It listens to teachers who tell them what it says, leaving out everything that interferes with the corrupted message they have crafted to draw people to them in large number$.

His love for me has caused my love for HIm and my desire to do those things that are pleasing to Him.

You won't find anybody in this forum that disagrees with this. But when we say it it's called being self righteous and trying to earn our own salvation. I guess just as long as you don't remind everybody that 'love your neighbor as yourself' and similar laws are the law of Moses you won't get labeled a self righteous keeper of the law.

The 613 commands are gone including teh ten written in stone that minister death, and have been replaced with the Law of Christ with its 1008 commands.

The law of Christ is the law of Moses he would keep walking the streets of this world today. He doesn't have any need for the ceremonial and cleanliness laws in the law of Moses, and neither do we. Because those are only for lost sinners separated from God and made unclean by the guilt of their sins. But Christ and his people are already clean. So those laws can be set aside as unneeded now. Not broken, but marked 'satisfied' and fulfilled by Christ for us. What remains after you set those aside is the law of Christ. The laws of Moses Christ would keep if he was walking the streets of this world today (plus some insightful additions), summarized in the one law in the law of Moses 'love your neighbor as yourself'. That means you keep laws like not showing favoritism, not lying, not committing adultery, not stealing, caring for orphans and widows, and so on. It's not a new law. It's the law of Moses. And it's right to do it. That's what James says.

James 2:
8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” a you are doing right.

But the church tells me that if I'm keeping the royal law found in scripture (the law of Moses) I'm a legalist and a self righteous person working for my own salvation and I am doing wrong! That's a terribly uneducated argument in the light of the verse above, and others. I don't blame you. The early Catholic church is the one who started this distorted uneducated teaching about the law. We see now how far this leaven has worked through the whole batch of dough by the result of that infusion of false teaching into the dough.

 

[Taken]

You can tell if you are circumcised by the Spirit in salvation by if the deeds of the flesh have been circumcised/cut off. If you're still living in your old life unchanged that shows you are not circumcised by the Spirit and are not saved. I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to see that. That's not a works gospel.

That's the brutal truth people need to hear so they can get saved for real and stop playing once saved always saved games.

ONCE Saved is not a Game.
It is no different than you espousing...To get to getting and Heartfully establish a relationship WITH THE Lord.
^ That is not a wishy washy KIND of, momentary Established Relationship...BETWEEN ONE man and the Lord... it is True, Genuine, Effected ONCE, and By the Lords OWN Promise Established...Forever.

• Men attempt to interject, Behaviors, BETWEEN Men... likes, dislikes, marriages, divorces, agreements, disagreements...etc. as Having An EFFECT on one man's ONCE and Forever Established Relationship With the Lord....it Doesn't!

•Men Can and Do burden other men, Trespass, Against other men, agree to join together Forever, then Not...and the Consequences are Consequences Men EFEECT against a Trespasser, a promiser, who breakers his promise...
Every man Will bear his own burden for his action and Consequence perputated and effected by Men, Against Men, and For Men.

That has nothing to do With A Converted man IN Christ's "ONCE and Forever Established Relationship of "THAT" ONE man and The Lord God".

A Converted man, Will Never (again) Be or Stand Against the Lord God. Never Reject Him. Never "eye" another "god" and fall into temptation ...to "divorce" the Lord God and run to "another" "god".
The Power OF "God...WITHIN the Lord Gods SAVED and Quickened"...KEEPS that man FOREVER, Faithful Forever to The Lord God Almighty.

There is NO requirement OR expectation for men to be faithful to men Forever.

Eph 1:13
2 Cor 1:22
2 Cor 5:5
Eph 1:14

* Gal 6:5
* 1 Cor 3:15

I was Offered. I Accepted the Lords Offering, "according TO His Way"...assuredly Heartful Acceptance ONCE...and absolutely Trust He fulfilled IN me ONCE, His Promise to forgive me, accept my body crucified with Jesus, restore and save my soul, quicken my spirit...and Never Depart From me....and Nothing whatsoever can undermine Gods Will.

Even men preaching That ain't possible.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

No.....what I hear is what the entire world has been able to hear—- in this Forum and many like it....”Why Of COURSE Jesus Saves! ( psstt.... But once ya know “ that” , ya gotta repent of all of your sins before you die, or you will go to Hell ! )
Correct me if I am wrong, justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance .....

It's @justbyfaith.

And yes, the Bible teaches (in Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, and Matthew 13:41-42) that if you work iniquity you will be cast into the furnace of fire for all of eternity.

And the only way to cease from being a worker of iniquity is to repent of your sins.

Pretty simple, huh?

Not sure why some people just don't get it.

Who cares what I “ hear?”....The Important Thing is what I “ read”...... read from the Bible, that is..

Here is what I read——-Gal5:4. “ Christ has become NOTHING to you who are trying to earn God’s Favor by keeping the Law; you have Fallen from Grace”

So, are those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit justified by the law? because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them (Romans 8:4).

Actually living the Christian life means you are no longer saved?

Things that make you go hmmm...

You cannot willfully sin against God; that is, you cannot act in utter defiance of God's will for your life.

That is, you cannot willfully sin against the Father as a man who is born of God.

Of course you can.....you “ Shouldn’t —— but you “can”....

No, you can't.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Stumbling and willfully sinning are two different things. Don't believe me? Believe 'what you read' here.....

Numbers 15:29-31
29One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you.
30“ ‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31Because they have despised the Lord’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’ ”

There is unintentional sin, and there is intentional, defiant sin. But you say that ALL sin is intentional. Read your Bible!

Hebrews 10:26-31 is literally based on Numbers 15:22-31 The defiant willful sinner is going to hell because there is no sacrifice for that sin. Not in the old covenant, not in this New Covenant. That's what the Bible says. The weak believer's sin who fails in his battle with sin is covered by the blood of Christ and will enter into the kingdom. Willful, defiant sin is a rejection of God's grace. Stumbling against your inner will in your trust in Christ is not a rejection of God's grace. Grace covers that person.

Hi, @Ferris Bueller,

If someone who has not yet received the knowledge of the truth intentionally sins, is there forgiveness if they come to Christ?

Why is there no forgiveness after coming to Christ if there is forgiveness before coming to Christ?

Does that not make it easier for the non-believer to be forgiven than for the believer?

Not arguing with you; just a question that popped into my mind.

Do whatever You WANT with the Law !

I do...I use it as a schoolmaster to led men to Christ.

Just don’t tell me that obedience to the Law will GET you saved or KEEP you saved.Two OTHER things do that —- The Blood Of Jesus Christ and your FAITH in that Blood.

Amen...

And the blood of Jesus does not only justify a man (as per Romans 5:9)...it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

(for the law of Moses is no more)

Really?

Mat 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Paul made this clear in galatians when he called the law a schoolmaster and that when faith (in Christ) came we were no longer under a school master!

The law is still to be used as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ who have not yet come to Christ.

And there are those who think that they know Christ who have not yet come to know Him (see 2 Corinthians 13:5).

The 613 commands are gone including teh ten written in stone that minister death, and have been replaced with the Law of Christ with its 1008 commands.

I beg to differ.

We are not any longer under any kind of law but we are under grace (Romans 6:14).

There is only one verse that defines sin as a law anymore, and that is Romans 8:4. Walking according to the flesh is what we would now define as sin.

I do not love my neighbor because the Mosaic law (given to the nation of Israel and not the gentile nations) , but I love my neighbor because it is a command for the church found in the NT!

I love my neighbor because my faith in Jesus apprehended the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:14); and through the Spirit the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5).

IOf teh NT did not have an ordinance against such then it would not be sin if the Church took HIs name in vain!

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

The New Covenant holds that every law in the Old Testament is fulfilled in the command to love thy neighbor as thyself. If I do not commit adultery, if I do not kill, if I do not steal, if I do not bear false witness, if I do not covet, and if I do not violate any other commandment, I am walking according to the love of the Lord (see also 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).