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[Ronald Nolette]

Show me how Christ's crucifixion equals 'keeping' the law of sacrifice for sin and I will show you how Hebrews 4 satisfies the lawful requirement to enter into Sabbath Rest keeping the 7th day holy.

Jesus is the Lamb of God who came to take away the sin of the world!

But what about the wave offering? The sheave offering? and the several other offerings? Do you give a tithe of all your goods?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I already told you. Upholding the law means not being in violation of it. Paul said a similar thing here....

Galatians 5:22-23
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

When you believe in Christ, and walk by the Spirit you are in no violation of the law of Moses. Your faith upholds the law of Moses.

Romans 3:31
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

Now you tell me what Romans 3:31 means. What do you say faith upholding/establishing the law of Moses means? You say faith doesn't uphold the law, and that it doesn't have to uphold it because it got nullified and replaced in favor of a new and different law that just happens to be similar to the law of Moses.

So there is no law we have to deal with if we walk in the spirit! Not the law of Moses! for it was a schoolmaster and we are not under the schoolmaster.

I never said faith upholds the Law of Moses! I reject that 100% The law of Moses was for the nation of Israel and not the church-ever!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Wow.
KJV 1 John 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Except for whoever you were referring to as "you guys".

curious if you have ever had to break the sabbath day ...or not been able to keep it?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So show the Scriptural precedent that says you can eat shellfish or eels or octopi or beasts with uncloven hooves.

Mark 7:18-19, Romans 14:14

Or that we shouldn't take an adulteress and stone her!

Galatians 3:13
Christ already died the death the law requires for adultery. The application of Christ's death through our faith in God upholds that law of Moses for us, not casts it away and breaks it.

Did Jesus violate teh Mosaic Law by saying only those without sin can put her to death? for the law does not say that!

No, actually he was keeping it. The death penalty is to be first administered by the hands of the witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6-7, Deuteronomy 13:9. All he was doing was making those required by law to stone her think about their own transgressions that required the death penalty before they came forward to keep the law. He couldn't get any of the witnesses required by law to come forward and start stoning her! The people themselves are the ones who did not keep the law of Moses by not stoning her. Leave Jesus out of this one.

I don't see one passage in Scripture that even implies that we are allowed to use our own "discernment" in deciding which laws were fulfilled in Jesus and which ones we still have to keep.

I agree. That's why we should use the discernment provided to us by the Holy Spirit using the precedents provided for us in the scriptures.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I never said faith upholds the Law of Moses!

Okay, okay, lol. Just tell us what Romans 3:31 means then!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So there is no law we have to deal with if we walk in the spirit! Not the law of Moses!

What law of Moses condemns the person who believes in Christ and is walking in the fruit of the Spirit at any one moment of time?

 

[ChristisGod]

How many people where where made new creations in Jesus 3 years of earthly ministry, How many in 2000 years since Jesus Ascension to Heaven through His Church, You really cant see past yourself, Tried raising the dead lately or is it all in your own mind

Seen your reference was to keeping the Law, The example In the OT The ones that thought they could keep all the Law where making a Golden calf and worshipping Idols, You Need the Savior that the Law points to

Some people don't even know what a miracle is lol.

The greatest of all miracles is bringing the dead to life via the Holy Spirit in Salvation. The miracle of the new birth when we become new creations in Christ.

The greater works are indeed the gospel going forth in POWER ( Romans 1:16) its the power (dunamis) of God in salvation. Its the transformation from being dead in sin to being alive in Christ.

Why people want to deny this obvious truth is beyond me. The only reason would be to defend there own doctrine in exchange for the truth of the gospel.

Good job !

hope this helps !!!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

From post #1461

How many people where where made new creations in Jesus 3 years of earthly ministry

How many people walked on water during his earthly ministry?

Answer: Peter.

Matthew 14:29 KJV
[29] ...And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

Imagine what Peter did after the resurrection...

Here’s a hint:

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin

O ye of little faith!

 

[justbyfaith]

You Just Got Caught Lying I said I don't trust you, How are you persecuted, Jesus warned to beware of hypocrisy and you are a hypocrite, You are faking it and you know it

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

I am not faking anything and I do not "know" that I am some kind of hypocrite...

As a matter of fact, I have had a good conscience before God up to this day.

(which is not to say that I haven't sinned; but that I know that all of my sins have been covered by the blood of Jesus and cleansed/taken away through the blood of Jesus),

so you don't eat shellfish then or fish without scales or animals without split hooves?

I do my best not to. Sometimes I fail; but when I do, I know that 1 Timothy 4:1-6 is a reality.

But the only reason I try to uphold the food laws is for the sake of the conscience of any weaker brothers who believe that the food laws are still in effect (1 Corinthians 8, Romans 14, Romans 15:1-2).

What is it about Accusers

Have you not accused me to some degree as is evident in this very post?

You claimed you live up to the greatest commandment because it casts out all your fear , Your under a strong delusion And believe a Lie, You Don't Live up to the greatest commandment stop been fearful and confront the truth, Jesus came to save sinners

When the Holy Ghost comes in, so does the love of the Lord (Romans 5:5). If that is not your experiential knowledge then I would suggest that you seek the Lord until it becomes your experiential knowledge.

Sin will be a struggle until we are Resurrected

We do not have to sin.

This is what 1 John 3:9 is saying in hyperbolic form.

It may not be saying that we become incapable of sinning; but I believe that it is exaggerating to make the point that we do not have to sin as believers in the Lord.

Therefore sinning is not inevitable if you have the Holy Ghost. It is possible to walk consistently, not after the flesh but after the Spirit; if you have the Spirit.

No one can reach a state of sinless perfection on this side of the grave.

I would agree.

However, "sinless perfection" is a misnomer that is often applied to the doctrine of entire sanctification in order to create a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine of entire sanctification does not teach that sin is eradicated (so that we would be without sin); but rather that indwelling sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

It is you who say you uphold the law by walking in the Spirit. If we are no longer under the law as you agreed as Paul declared, why do you fret about upholding the law?

Because while the law no longer condemns the one who is forgiven through the blood of Christ, we are still governed by it as believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

I also believe the Law of Moses is no longer valid.

It is written on the hearts and minds of every New Covenant believer (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

It points to Jesus Only Jesus Lived up to the Demands of the Law, Your question is out of context and doesn't relate, Loving God more than anything is not the same as with all your heart mind body soul and strength, One you can do the other only Jesus could do, You don't replace him no matter how delusional you become, you still need him

Don't you get it? When we receive Christ as our Lord and Saviour, He comes to live His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20). Of course we need Him. He is the vine, and we are the branches. As we draw up nourishment from the vine (the love of the Holy Ghost) we can indeed live up to His standard of holiness and righteousness (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Romans 6:6 (kjv), Colossians 2:11 (kjv)).

Create life? create worlds? raise the dead? Become as righteous as him and raise yourself from the dead, You obviously lose perspective and context Your posts show

I think that he was talking about what is written in Philippians 4:13; so take his statement as being exactly the same as what Paul said and meant when he wrote that verse.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So you don't uphold the whole law, just the parts you feel you can uphold or "discerned" were ot fulfilled in teh person of Jesus so are left up to you to "uphold" BTW what do you define uphold as.

Through my faith in Christ's work on the cross, and through my obedience to walk in the fruit of the Spirit I leave no law of Moses unfulfilled or broken or cast down and trampled on in the eyes of God. Upholding the law means I do not violate any of it in God's eyes. It does not mean I keep every letter of the law. It means I do not violate it despite the fact that I do not keep every letter of the law. Again, if you think that's not possible, consider how God does not hold you in violation of the laws of Moses concerning the required sacrifice of blood for your sin, and counts them 'fulfilled' for you, even though you haven't lifted a finger to keep them in any literal sense whatsoever. Through your faith in Christ on the cross the law of Moses requiring blood sacrifice for sin are upheld, not cast down and away and trampled on and broken. You stand before God in no violation of those laws. He looks at you and says, "I see no violation of law here". I still tear up whenever I think about that. What a great God we have!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well Scripture says the Mosaic Law was given for far different reasons.

What are those far different reasons?

 

[HisLife]

As a matter of fact, I have had a good conscience before God up to this day.

You don't think Jesus Died for your sins And you preach another Gospel your a Faker your cursed and your sick, Get the help you need

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't think Jesus Died for your sins And you preach another Gospel your a Faker your cursed and your sick, Get the help you need

edited post #1470 (SinSinSin).

 

[justbyfaith]

You don't think Jesus Died for your sins And you preach another Gospel your a Faker your cursed and your sick, Get the help you need

That's right...I don't think that Jesus dies for my sins....I know that He did.

Jesus and the apostles faced worse insults than what you are leveling at me right now....but I consider myself to be in good company in that they are being leveled against me.

 

[HisLife]

That's right...I don't think Jesus dies for my sins....I know that He did.

You have no credibility anymore, I showed where you said not all your sins, Your double minded and unstable, I have no time for you anymore your a phony

 

[justbyfaith]

You have no credibility anymore, I showed where you said not all your sins, Your double minded and unstable, I have no time for you anymore your a phony

I love you, too.

And you are definitely wrong in your estimation that I am a phony. My testimony is very true and from my heart.

My testimony (justbyfaith).

 

[ChristisGod]

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

I am not faking anything and I do not "know" that I am some kind of hypocrite...

As a matter of fact, I have had a good conscience before God up to this day.

(which is not to say that I haven't sinned; but that I know that all of my sins have been covered by the blood of Jesus and cleansed/taken away through the blood of Jesus),



I do my best not to. Sometimes I fail; but when I do, I know that 1 Timothy 4:1-6 is a reality.

But the only reason I try to uphold the food laws is for the sake of the conscience of any weaker brothers who believe that the food laws are still in effect (1 Corinthians 8, Romans 14, Romans 15:1-2).



Have you not accused me to some degree as is evident in this very post?



When the Holy Ghost comes in, so does the love of the Lord (Romans 5:5). If that is not your experiential knowledge then I would suggest that you seek the Lord until it becomes your experiential knowledge.



We do not have to sin.

This is what 1 John 3:9 is saying in hyperbolic form.

It may not be saying that we become incapable of sinning; but I believe that it is exaggerating to make the point that we do not have to sin as believers in the Lord.

Therefore sinning is not inevitable if you have the Holy Ghost. It is possible to walk consistently, not after the flesh but after the Spirit; if you have the Spirit.



I would agree.

However, "sinless perfection" is a misnomer that is often applied to the doctrine of entire sanctification in order to create a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

While the doctrine of entire sanctification does not teach that sin is eradicated (so that we would be without sin); but rather that indwelling sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).



Because while the law no longer condemns the one who is forgiven through the blood of Christ, we are still governed by it as believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).



It is written on the hearts and minds of every New Covenant believer (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).



Don't you get it? When we receive Christ as our Lord and Saviour, He comes to live His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20). Of course we need Him. He is the vine, and we are the branches. As we draw up nourishment from the vine (the love of the Holy Ghost) we can indeed live up to His standard of holiness and righteousness (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; Romans 6:6 (kjv), Colossians 2:11 (kjv)).



I think that he was talking about what is written in Philippians 4:13; so take his statement as being exactly the same as what Paul said and meant when he wrote that verse.

how has " not sinning " worked out for you since you were " saved " from sin ?

and remember lying is a sin..........................

hope this helps !!!

 

[justbyfaith]

how has " not sinning " worked out for you since you were " saved " from sin ?

and remember lying is a sin..........................

hope this helps !!!

I don't claim that I myself have been perfect in the way of "not sinning" since I became born again...

But I do know that I have been able to go for extended periods of time without sinning (and I also have been open to the Holy Spirit being the light that pinpoints sin when it arises).

And this is why I believe that a man can walk consistently, not after the flesh but after the Spirit, theoretically, for the rest of his life.

Because if we can go for five minutes without sinning, we can go for fifty. If we can go for fifty minutes, we can go for five hours. If we can go for five hours, we can go for five days. If for five days, then for five months...and so on; even unto the aion.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You don't think Jesus Died for your sins And you preach another Gospel your a Faker your cursed and your sick, Get the help you need

Oh my, my, my.

Your behavior bewrayeth thee.

Matthew 13:41-43
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

The righteous are those who do not offend and that do no iniquity.

Don’t end up like the person in this verse:

Proverbs 29:1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Because if we can go for five minutes without sinning, we can go for fifty. If we can go for fifty minutes, we can go for five hours. If we can go for five hours, we can go for five days. If for five days, then for five months...and so on

That’s right!

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.