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Is the Son, God ?
So Jesus then is not God correct ?what does that have to do with this? isn't that being discussed some where else?
Jesus Christ is the Beloved Son of God, see gospels for proof. isn't that what God Himself said of Jesus at the transfiguration and to John the Baptist? I will stick with what the Lord Jesus says He is.
did Jesus value the revelation of His Father in Him? and just how much did He value that?
what does that have to do with this? isn't that being discussed some where else?
Jesus Christ is the Beloved Son of God, see gospels for proof. isn't that what God Himself said of Jesus at the transfiguration and to John the Baptist? I will stick with what the Lord Jesus says He is.
So Jesus then is not God correct ?
I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.Don't assume. Let him answer. And if he won't, then still don't assume.
I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.
JMHO FWIW..................
So Jesus is no longer a man is that correct ?flesh is not God but God is Spirit?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
So Jesus is no longer a man is that correct ?
JW's quote those same passages to say Jesus is now a spirit and no longer a man with a human body , hence my question to you.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.flesh is not God but God is Spirit?
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I have no idea why people get so defensive when you ask a simple question about who Jesus is and in fact Jesus often asked His disciples who do people say that I am. The whole bible is about Him so its an important question since scripture makes it important. In fact its most likely the most important question to be asked and answered.
JMHO FWIW..................
i don’t know and have many questions. Like why we have known Christ after the flesh, but now we know no man after the flesh. Or why that which is born of the flesh is flesh. That born of God is Spirit. I’m not arguing for He wasn’t God manifested in the flesh for the removal of sins...but asking what is removed?
The answer to your question, and the question itself, are ones many denominations don't ask, let alone know the answer to. So I applaud you for being open enough to ask this most important question in all of Christianity. Because Jesus made it the most important when He said, "We MUST be born again." Also, Paul said in Romans 8:9 that we are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God indwells us. And those who do not have the Spirit of Christ, DO NOT BELONG TO HIM.
The next verse (10) is about the body, that is NOT born again yet. It must first die, like our mind and spirit died on the cross and was resurrected (born again). Paul put these two verses together so we would not get confused and say our flesh will always sin until our body dies, but there are still those heresies out there that preach the lie.
So what is removed and taken away? 1 John 3:5? It is our sin NATURE. Our mind and spirit is where we get our nature that either will produce sin, or righteousness. We are all born with the sin nature from Adam's sin. That is why John said to those without repentance that if we say we are without sin, we lie and the TRUTH (THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH) is not in us. BUT, if we repent, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse (our nature) of all unrighteousness.
Here is a little story I created to help you understand the nature.
"It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. 1 John 3:9. It has no desire to. It is even abhorrent! It is just not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.
what does that have to do with this? isn't that being discussed some where else?
So Jesus then is not God correct ?
Of course, He knew. Jesus didn't do ANYTHING He didn't see the Father doing in heaven. That is respect. Jesus had the mind of the Father, just as those of us who are born again receive the mind of Christ. That is why we must be born again and baptized in the Spirit.
Unfortunately, many denominations starting with Catholics and then Reformationists don't even know what that means.
"Few there are that find it."
Why you mentioned God Himself and I asked you point blank is Jesus God ?go back to whatever thread that is on this subject
where did He say He is I'am? no, the Pharisees know He is the Son of God. and that is what they accused Him of claiming.Jesus said He is I Am. Even the Pharisees knew He was saying He is God.