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The removal of the church marks the end of the present church age, not the end of the world. It marks the beginning of the new age. The Millennial age when Christ will reign on earth with His saints the [then] converted Jews
 

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There will NEVER be a 3rd dimensional "rapture" - it's all a carnal-minded interpretation from the Adamic Nature.
 
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There will NEVER be a 3rd dimensional "rapture" - it's all a carnal-minded interpretation from the Adamic Nature.
Living on earth in Adam's sinful corruptible flesh is carnal-minded desires to fulfill the flesh's need to be in control of one's own environment.

The carnal minded person does not want to do God's will for eternity. The carnal mind does not want to give up this corruptible flesh.
 

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Living on earth in Adam's sinful corruptible flesh is carnal-minded desires to fulfill the flesh's need to be in control of one's own environment.

The carnal minded person does not want to do God's will for eternity. The carnal mind does not want to give up this corruptible flesh.
Agreed.

II Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

There is a remnant on the horizon that will "put on incorruption" - I Cor 15:54, they will blow-away all the dead churches and there shall be "weeping and gnashing of teeth".
 

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The removal of the church marks the end of the present church age, not the end of the world. It marks the beginning of the new age. The Millennial age when Christ will reign on earth with His saints the [then] converted Jews

Greetings in Christ Jesus

Brother, what prevails is the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, as follow:

Matthew 13:v.37-40

37 JESUS answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the WORLD; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The HARVEST

39 The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the HARVEST is the END of the WORLD; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the FIRE(the everlasting Spirit of GOD-the Word is GOD- ; so shall it be in the END of this WORLD (the current WORLD ruled by Satan).
 
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Greetings in Christ Jesus

Brother, what prevails is the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, as follow:

Matthew 13:v.37-40

37 JESUS answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the WORLD; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The HARVEST

39 The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the HARVEST is the END of the WORLD; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the FIRE(the everlasting Spirit of GOD-the Word is GOD- ; so shall it be in the END of this WORLD (the current WORLD ruled by Satan).
Who's denying? but before these things the church is raptured to reign with Christ from heaven and the Jews [converted] will reign with Him on earth.
 

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The removal of the church marks the end of the present church age, not the end of the world. It marks the beginning of the new age. The Millennial age when Christ will reign on earth with His saints the [then] converted Jews

Revelation 2:v.25-29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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Who's denying? but before these things the church is raptured to reign with Christ from heaven and the Jews [converted] will reign with Him on earth.

Daniel 12:v.12 Blessed is he that WAITETH, and COMETH to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Why DAY 1,335? Blessed is -will be -he that waits and comes to the day 1,335. - The Word is God -
 

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Revelation 2:v.25-29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Woah just a moment, your argument was that the end was the end of the world

but here you yourself quote Jesus saying that the nations are to continue and that we shall rule over them ...
 

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Acts 3:v.19-24

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And He -GOD - shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.


23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
 
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Woah just a moment, your argument was that the end was the end of the world

but here you yourself quote Jesus saying that the nations are to continue and that we shall rule over them ...

And He said also that "he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:
 

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Acts 3:v.19-24

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And He -GOD - shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.


23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

So when Jesus comes it is not the time of the end of the world but the times of restitution of all things. This is the 1, 000 years reign of Christ.
 

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And He said also that "he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the END, to him will I give power over the nations:
That's right they shall reign with Him ... so it is not the end of the world.

... not everyone who is saved will reign during the 1, 000 years but they who overcome and keep His works unto the end.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:v.24-27

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The END cometh , when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when He saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
 
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So when Jesus comes it is not the time of the end of the world but the times of restitution of all things. This is the 1, 000 years reign of Christ.

The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 

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The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
The church will reign with Him from heaven
The converted Jews will reign with Him on earth.
 

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So when Jesus comes it is not the time of the end of the world but the times of restitution of all things. This is the 1, 000 years reign of Christ.

Revelation 20:v.1-4

1 And I saw an angel
(in fact an archangel) come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 21:v.6-8

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the END. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 

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The church will reign with Him from heaven
The converted Jews will reign with Him on earth.

Heaven? What heaven? The 1st, or the 2nd, the 3rd or the heaven of the heavens?

I m asking because "
the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word ARE kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

In what heaven are you now according Ephesians 1:v.3?


God created and established the heavens, and now He is going to burn two of the heavens that He created and established here.
 
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Heaven? What heaven? The 1st, or the 2nd, the 3rd or the heaven of the heavens?

I m asking because "
the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word ARE kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

In what heaven are you now according Ephesians 1:v.3?


God created and established the heavens, and now He is going to burn two of the heavens that He created and established here.
These things do not happen at Jesu's 2nd coming, at His 2nd coming He comes to reign.