Is The Tribulation Period Lasting For 7 Years A False Doctrine! Part 1

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For all that think the Tribulation Period is going to last for 7 years, you will soon find yourselves in for a very rude awakening. If you do not take heed, research, study and pray for wisdom and understanding you are going to find yourselves right dab in the middle of the ‘times of Jacobs troubles’ with only two choices; either take the mark of the beast, or die for the word of God!

You really need to think about this one!!!

Some person found a few verses in the book of Daniel, and has tried to tie 7 years to what they THINK is the tribulation period. When, in fact, THIS particular vision of Daniel has NOTHING to do with the tribulation period nor the Abomination of Desolation (AOD). Jesus, Daniel, Paul and John tells us it is the action of the Abomination of Desolation (the son of perdition, the man of sin) that sets in motion the time frame of the tribulation period.

Think about it….how can a verse that mentions NOTHING about the AOD or the tribulation period be correct prophecy concerning the AOD or tribulation period?


In contrast, God tells us (7) times and in 3 different ways that the tribulation period will last for 3.5 years. He tells us in the OT! He tell us in the NT! He tells us using Days! He tells us using Months! He tells us using Years! Along with all He has given us, He even tells us what event to look for that will kick it all off! God tells us so many times and in so many ways it is almost HARD to miss. And yet there will be those that will let someone do just what Jesus and Paul warned us about;

 

Matt.24
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

2Thes.2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I’m sorry to say, but if you have been taught, and believe, the tribulation period is going to last for 7 years…..YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED!!!

  

 

THIS Vision is not about the Tribulation Period or the Abomination of Desolation

Before proving that the Tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs. Let’s examine how Daniel’s vision is NOT speaking about a 7yr tribulation period.

The only verses that tries to link the Tribulation Period to 7yrs are the misunderstood verses about the 70 week vision of Daniel found in the 9th chapter. Let's read it;

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Now remember……this is the ONLY place in the entire bible that people will use to attempt to support a 7yr tribulation period. Let’s see if God’s holy word backup their claim.


Most believe it is during this 1 prophetic week (7yrs) the tribulation takes place, and in the middle of the week, at (3.5yrs), the AOD will end the sacrifices. Well let's back up a bit to see what the subject of THIS vision is.

Dan.9
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

We find that Daniel was reading in the books of Jeremiah, about what would become of the Holy city Jerusalem. Mind you, this was during the 1st year of the reign of Darius. The vision that actually mentions the AOD does not come until years later. Let’s now read the answer from Gabriel;

[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.


So the angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his questions.

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Now at what point did the angel Gabriel say anything about the Abomination of Desolation, the man of sin, the son of perdition, or the Tribulation Period sometimes called the times of Jacobs trouble? He didn’t. Not once!

This vision IS NOT about the Abomination of Desolation nor the Tribulation Period. It is about the nation of Israel, the Holy city Jerusalem, and the anointing of the most Holy, Jesus Christ.

Let’s look at the vision, as it is told to Daniel by the angel Gabriel. More importantly, let’s find the subject of the vision; who is it speaking of.

[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Without getting into the entire prophecy, we know for a fact the only person mentioned above is the Messiah, Jesus Christ and the rebuilding of the temple. Let’s read more;

[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Again, the ONLY person mentioned thus far is Jesus Christ. How do we know? Because it was ONLY Jesus Christ that was killed, ‘cut off’, but not because of something He did. Now let’s read the last verse;

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Again, WHO is the ‘HE’ mentioned above? It can ONLY be the same person spoken of throughout this entire vision…..Jesus Christ! How can it be anyone else? It CAN’T! Now at what point was the 'abomination of desolation' or the 'man of sin' or the 'son of perdition' EVER mentioned?



Let’s look at something else. Gabriel used the word ‘confirm’ and NOT ‘make’. Let’s look up the difference.

Confirm - to make certain that a tentative arrangement or one made earlier is firm.

Make - to cause a condition or situation to arise or exist.


Who was it that had already made a covenant with the nation of Israel and would later confirm it? None other than Jesus Christ!

And who was it that stopped the sacrifice and oblation to cease? Again, Jesus Christ! When you ask? The moment He died.

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” Matt.27:51

When Jesus died and the veil ripped it two, that was the end of animal sacrifice.

 
Not only did Jesus stop the sacrifices in the middle of a prophetic week; His ministry was for 3.5 years, He also died in the middle of a literal week, the FOURTH day of the week, or Wednesday as we know it today!

So just as Gabriel told Daniel at the beginning, this vision is about, the nation of Israel, the city Jerusalem and the most Holy, Jesus Christ.

Again, at what point is the AOD mentioned? Or what about the times of trouble?.

Something that must be understood is that Daniel had MORE that one vision. Some had to do with the last days. Some had to do with the kings that was ruling at the time.

The vision above had to do with God's holy city Jerusalem, the annointing of the Most Holy, and the ending of sacrifice and the oblation!

It had NOTHING to do with the AOD or the Tribulation Period!



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Well, either you are grossly deceived, or... you have come here to push doctrines of men contrary to God's Word, simply because without first understanding that the 70 weeks prophecy given to Daniel is BASED ON 7 YEAR TIME DIVISIONS, one can't even begin... to interpret the prophecy as written.

And furthermore, Christ Himself quoted from the Book of Daniel about the "abomination of desolation" event, which very much IS about the acts of the one in Daniel 9:27:

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

What covenant did Christ 'strengthen' ("confirm") for "one week" (7 years)? NONE. If one says the Old Covenant, then that would be to say Christ came to offer the OLD covenant, and not the New Covenant. If one says it is the New Covenant, then there is a major problem created, for where was it ever written that Christ would come to offer the New Covenant in His Blood and then end it in the middle of the one week (7 years)?


Daniel was already shown back in Dan.8 the one who takes away the daily sacrifice and it is the "little horn", not our Lord Jesus:

Dan 8:9-12
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
(KJV)


We are also later shown the one who takes away the daily sacrifice and places the abomination of desolation is the "vile person" of Dan.11, not our Lord Jesus:

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
(KJV)


We are also shown again in the last Daniel chapter, the taking away of the daily sacrifice and placing of the abomination that makes desolate is for the very end of days just prior to Christ's second coming, not back in 70-79 A.D.

Dan 12:9-13
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
(KJV)
 
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Most believe it is during this 1 prophetic week (7yrs) the tribulation takes place, and in the middle of the week, at (3.5yrs), the AOD will end the sacrifices. Well let's back up a bit to see what the subject of THIS vision is.

Dan.9
[1] In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

We find that Daniel was reading in the books of Jeremiah, about what would become of the Holy city Jerusalem. Mind you, this was during the 1st year of the reign of Darius. The vision that actually mentions the AOD does not come until years later. Let’s now read the answer from Gabriel;

[21] Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
[22] And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.


So the angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his questions.

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

You do understand that the seventy years are to be distiguished from the seventy weeks, don't you?

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You do understand that the seventy years are to be distiguished from the seventy weeks, don't you?

GTY

Oh yes! And I also know that the tribulation period will only last for 3.5yrs....not 7!

Anyone thinking they will have another 3.5yrs AFTER they see the son of perdition placed in the temple will be in for a very rude awakening!

But they will already know they made a mistake for they would have gone throught the worst time in mankinds history!

Do NOT be decieved!!!!



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Oh yes! And I also know that the tribulation period will only last for 3.5yrs....not 7!

Anyone thinking they will have another 3.5yrs AFTER they see the son of perdition placed in the temple will be in for a very rude awakening!

But they will already know they made a mistake for they would have gone throught the worst time in mankinds history!

Do NOT be decieved!!!!



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No need to worry...I am kept by the power of God.

He will lead me into all truth, and, should I be around at the time of the tribulation, I doubt very much I would make it through that time.

But this I know, He would lead me through that time also.

But, we can discuss it in the other thread, if you wish.

GTY

 

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No need to worry...I am kept by the power of God.

He will lead me into all truth, and, should I be around at the time of the tribulation, I doubt very much I would make it through that time.

But this I know, He would lead me through that time also.

But, we can discuss it in the other thread, if you wish.

GTY


He will ONLY lead you if you heed His warning;

"Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:..."





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Oh yes! And I also know that the tribulation period will only last for 3.5yrs....not 7!

Anyone thinking they will have another 3.5yrs AFTER they see the son of perdition placed in the temple will be in for a very rude awakening!

But they will already know they made a mistake for they would have gone throught the worst time in mankinds history!

Do NOT be decieved!!!!


Christ did reveal that He shortened the great tribulation time for the sake of His elect. But to what time?

I'm trying to understand that statement, "But they will already know they made a mistake for they would have gone throught the worst time in mankinds history!"

That statement says to me that you don't believe Christ's saints are going to be here on earth to go through the great tribulation. If so, then that's not true, and not what Christ showed.
 

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Some person found a few verses in the book of Daniel, and has tried to tie 7 years to what they THINK is the tribulation period.

Really not going to respond to this thread (I've got other things on my plate to study than end times DATING), but I do agree with this assessment.


The Bible does not link these passages together, there is serious ASSUMPTION made that links all the dispensationalist ideas together. I'm surprised they haven't tried to link the 7 days of creation to the end times somehow yet :p
 

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Christ did reveal that He shortened the great tribulation time for the sake of His elect. But to what time?

I'm trying to understand that statement, "But they will already know they made a mistake for they would have gone throught the worst time in mankinds history!"

That statement says to me that you don't believe Christ's saints are going to be here on earth to go through the great tribulation. If so, then that's not true, and not what Christ showed.

Just how many times and in how many ways must God tell us that the tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs?

And Yes!! God's true church will be here on earth during the GT. For those with wisdom and knowledge, they will be in the wilderness ( See the lesson, "Finding God's Secret Place)



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Just how many times and in how many ways must God tell us that the tribulation period will last for 3.5yrs?

And Yes!! God's true church will be here on earth during the GT. For those with wisdom and knowledge, they will be in the wilderness ( See the lesson, "Finding God's Secret Place)

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Yeah folks. I do recommend you see Eccl.'s post "Finding God's Secret Place" where I showed how he misapplied OT Scripture from Isaiah in attempt to support the false doctrine of Christ's enemies that we are to flee to Jerusalem for safety during the tribulation timing.
 

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I'll make this easy.....when those reading this lesson see the following;

1. "...the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."
2. "...
the parched ground shall become a pool..."
3. "...
the thirsty land springs of water..."
4. "...
shall be grass with reeds and rushes..."
5. "...
I will open rivers in high places..."
6. "...
I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree..."
7. "...
I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:..."


I hope that you will think back on when you read this lesson and then I want you to consider the advice of veteran verses the advice of your Lord and Saviour!

Then decide what your course of action will be!

I know for a fact the above will happen! God's word said it would!

And once it does it will not be too long before the man of sin is placed, if he is not already placed, in the temple!

Then you will have only two choices;

Stay, as veteran suggests!

OR....

Flee, as Jesus commands!


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Not sure how one can ignore context:
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains


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Weather or not this is past or future is debatable but it's absolutely clear there's a localized, and specific, sense about this.
 

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Not sure how one can ignore context:
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And if safety lies in the mountains of Judaea, why wouldn't those that trust in the Lord not want to go there no matter where they dwell?

God's word says He has a place prepared for His church; the mountains of Judaea. So no matter where you are, when you see the signs we are to flee to the place prepared!

But as I said...if you do not believe you do not have to flee. But be warned.....the following will be the fate of those that did not flee, did not take the mark, but still are trying their best to keep the commandments of God during the tribulation period.

Rev.12
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Dan.7
[21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;


Staying in place is not the option to take on this one! No one that has taken the mark is going to risk their life to help you and your family! You will not be able to buy or sell unless you have the mark of the beast! Just how do you think you are going to last for 3.5yrs?

Think about it!!!

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And if safety lies in the mountains of Judaea, why wouldn't those that trust in the Lord not want to go there no matter where they dwell?
It actually doesn't specify what mountains to flee to, but given the place this was given to and who it was addressed to I think those in Judea would flee to the mountain of Jerusalem. Both due to the physical nature and also various other Biblical references is why I think this.


The commandment is ONLY given to those in Judea. It isn't a commandment to anyone else (tis a hint for veteran and others that think this is future).


You are making the assumption that:
1) The mountain is in Judea (I'd agree with you, but I realize this is an assumption and educated guess ONLY)
2) This is applicable to all people (Which is what I disagree with, "them that be in Judea")


It's a limited command.
 

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It actually doesn't specify what mountains to flee to, but given the place this was given to and who it was addressed to I think those in Judea would flee to the mountain of Jerusalem. Both due to the physical nature and also various other Biblical references is why I think this.


The commandment is ONLY given to those in Judea. It isn't a commandment to anyone else (tis a hint for veteran and others that think this is future).


You are making the assumption that:
1) The mountain is in Judea (I'd agree with you, but I realize this is an assumption and educated guess ONLY)
2) This is applicable to all people (Which is what I disagree with, "them that be in Judea")


It's a limited command.

I am well aware this is not for all people! For all will not trust in the Lord and do as He says! This, however, IS for me, my family and for all of those with wisdom and understanding!

As I said....look for the signs, remember this lesson and when the time comes CHOOSE!!!!

STAY....

or......

FLEE!!!



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