Daniel's 1260 vs. 1290 vs. 1335 vs 2300 Days Prophecies (Abomination of Desolation Was the Crucifixion)

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Zao is life

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Hello? Giants?



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Be careful not to add to scripture. God has revealed to us all we need to know in the scripture - and He said nothing about fallen angels. The comparison between the end days and the days of Noah cannot be extended to add images and eschatological details about fallen angels that are not written about in scripture, and we believers in Jesus are not expected to distinguish between what exists only in human imagination and what "may be true" when the things being claimed are not expressly spoken about in New Testament eschatology.

The speaker in this video began speaking by saying "I believe that" and then continued with "we are going to see a repeat of the events that occurred before the flood of Noah"

That already tells you to discern between what Christ Jesus Himself has told us in His Revelation to the churches - in which He says no such thing - and human imagination.
 

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God has revealed to us all we need to know in the scripture - and He said nothing about fallen angels.

Bummer. I hate to disagree with you but fallen angels is one thing I will never change my mind on, ever. This is one of the top things I have studied almost all my life.

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@Exegesis The above person uses eisegesis a LOT of the time, so I wouldn't worry too much about his accusation about your using eisegesis. LOL. That's just how it goes around here. They think what they believe to be someone else's eisegesis proves their own eisegesis to be be exegesis.

I don't agree with your OP, but I'd rather just give my reasons which I believe are biblical, while I go about it.
Turns out his is exegesis because he correctly relates the Judaean Christians' flight to 70 AD.
 
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Zao is life

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Bummer. I hate to disagree with you but fallen angels is one thing I will never change my mind on, ever. This is one of the top things I have studied almost all my life.


I disagree. Fallen stars are referring to human beings in scripture - over and over again:-

THE STARS

Metaphor: "And he dreamed still another dream, and told it to his brothers. And he said, Behold, I have dreamed another dream. And behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?" (Genesis 37:9-10)

The stars refer metaphorically to Joseph’s eleven brothers. Jacob was the father and ruler of his clan. In Genesis 37:9-10 (above) the sun refers metaphorically to Jacob, and the moon to Rachel, Joseph's mother.

Metaphor: "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars, and having a babe in womb, she cries, being in travail, having been distressed to bear."(Revelation 12:1-2).

Metaphor: The children of Naphtali and Zebulun who fought against Sisera, captain of Jabin's army (Judges 4:6-7) are called "the stars in their courses" (metaphor) fighting against enemy armies in Judges 5:20.

The saints are also said to be "in the heavens" in Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 3:1-4; and Ephesians 1:3.

Apocalyptic / prophetic literature in the Bible is saturated with simile, metaphor and hyperbole that symbolize the reality being spoken about.

When tribulation or calamity comes upon the saints:

Daniel 8:9-10
"And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them."

It's talking about Antiochus IV Epiphanes' and his war against the saints, i.e the Jews of his time, and the apostasy ("falling from the heavens") of many Jews which took place at the time: Antiochus IV Epiphanes placing an abomination of desolation in the holy place is the chief biblical type of the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.

Revelation 6:13-14
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Simile: "And He brought him outside and said, Look now toward the heavens and count the stars, if you are able to count them. And He said to him, So shall your seed be. And he believed in YHVH; and he counted it to him for righteousness." Genesis 15:5-6

Simile: "And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the sky; and those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever and ever." Daniel 12:3

Simile & Metaphor:

Psalms 19:1-6
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Psalms 50:1-2
The mighty God, even YHWH, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (Malachi 4:2)

THE SUN AND THE MOON

Psalms 89:3-4 & 35-37
I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.

Simile: Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.".

The moon is a faithful witness to the sun which causes it to shine, and to the earth which causes its orbit.

Metaphor and Hyperbole:

Isaiah 30:26
Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

In biblical typology, one historical event becomes a precedent for an event on a similar scale or of a similar type (the anti-type) that follows the "type" (the first historical event) at some point much further into the future. The same or similar metaphor is often used to describe the anti-type: For example, before the destruction of the kingdom of ancient Babylon at the hand of the Medes, this is part of what was prophesied by Isaiah concerning its coming judgment:

Isaiah 13:1 & 17-19 & 6-13:

"The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see:

-- Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. --

Simile: Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man’s heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

Metaphor: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

Metaphor: Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of Armies, and in the day of his fierce anger." (Isaiah 13:1 & 17-19 & 6-13)

etc etc etc
 

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Bummer. I hate to disagree with you but fallen angels is one thing I will never change my mind on, ever. This is one of the top things I have studied almost all my life.


Besides the metaphorical meaning scripture repeatedly gives to God's elect (the stars), in this video he talks about Daniel 2:43 and says, without any evidence, that it's referring to fallen angels and humans:

Daniel 9:43

New International Version
And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

New Living Translation
This mixture of iron and clay also shows that these kingdoms will try to strengthen themselves by forming alliances with each other through intermarriage. But they will not hold together, just as iron and clay do not mix.

English Standard Version
As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Berean Standard Bible
As you saw the iron mixed with clay, so the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together any more than iron mixes with clay.

King James Bible
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

New King James Version
As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

New American Standard Bible
In that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in their descendants; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not combine with pottery.

It is only human imagination that can impose anything else onto a text - which is eisegesis, not exegesis.
 

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So you consider the Judaean Christians' 70 AD flight to be eisegesis? :laughing:

Jesus was talking about the end of the age and the tribulation the saints would experience at the hand of the nations which would hate them in the day the gospel has been preached in all the world as a witness to all nations when He said, "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation .."

Only those who practice the same eisegesis you practice can have Jesus talking about "the unbelieving Jews" when He's talking to His disciples about what will come upon them and what they should do when they see the sign.

You prove only that you are prone to take away from Jesus' words and from scripture where you please, and add to Jesus' words and to scripture where you please. Jesus did not change the subject He was speaking about in Matthew 24:9-14 - you have.
 

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Jesus was talking about the end of the age and the tribulation the saints would experience at the hand of the nations which would hate them in the day the gospel has been preached in all the world as a witness to all nations when He said, "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation .."

Only those who practice the same eisegesis you practice can have Jesus talking about "the unbelieving Jews" when He's talking to His disciples about what will come upon them and what they should do when they see the sign.

You prove only that you are prone to take away from Jesus' words and from scripture where you please, and add to Jesus' words and to scripture where you please. Jesus did not change the subject He was speaking about in Matthew 24:9-14 - you have.
I'm looking for some reference to the Judaean Christians' 70 AD flight in your response.

I don't see it.

They weren't unbelieving Jews. :laughing:
 

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I'm looking for some reference to the Judaean Christians' 70 AD flight in your response.

I don't see it.

They weren't unbelieving Jews. :laughing:
And you prove again that you have inserted those words into scripture, because you don't see any reference to 70 AD Judea and the unbelieving Jews in Jesus' introduction in Matthew 24:9-14, immediately before He continued with the words, "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation .."

You seem to think Jesus was telling unbelieving Jews who were not even present with Him on the Mount of Olives to flee Judea when they see the AoD in the holy place because it will mean that they were to be handed over to tribulation and be killed, having become hated of all nations for His name's sake.
 

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And you prove again that you have inserted those words into scripture, because you don't see any reference to 70 AD Judea and the unbelieving Jews in Jesus' introduction in Matthew 24:9-14, immediately before He continued with the words, "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation .."
I've taken those words from history.

Have you heard of history?
 

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I've taken those words from history.

Have you heard of history?
No you have not. You have eisegetically inserted the history of AD 70 into what Jesus was telling His disciples about the coming AoD and what they should do when they see it because it would mean they were about to be handed over to tribulation and killed.
 

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No you have not. You have eisegetically inserted the history of AD 70 into what Jesus was telling His disciples about the coming AoD and what they should do when they see it because it would mean they were about to be handed over to tribulation and killed.
Did Judaean Christians flee in (or more accurately, approaching) 70 AD?
 

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Did Judaean Christians flee in (or more accurately, approaching) 70 AD?

As Luke told us, Jesus also told them to flee Judea when they see armies gathering around Jerusalem.

Your questions are boring and tiresome so I don't need to answer you again.

Now you answer me:

Did Jesus tell His disciples on the Mount of Olives that

(a) The gospel would first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations before the end of the age will come; and
(b) They will be hated of all nations at the time of the end and delivered up to tribulation and killed; and
(c) Many will fall away at that time and many will hate one another and betray one another; and
(d) that therefore when they see abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, those of His disciples who are in Judea must flee Judea?

What does armies gathering around Judea in 70 AD have to do with an abomination of desolation in the holy place at the end of the age at the time His disciples are delivered up to tribulation and killed, resulting in His return?
 
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As Luke told us, Jesus also told them to flee Judea when they see armies gathering around Jerusalem.

Your questions are boring and tiresome so I don't need to answer you again.

Now you answer me:

Did Jesus tell His disciples on the Mount of Olives that

(a) The gospel would first be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations before the end of the age will come; and
(b) They will be hated of all nations at the time of the end and delivered up to tribulation and killed; and
(c) Many will fall away at that time and many will hate one another and betray one another; and
(d) that therefore when they see abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, those of His disciples who are in Judea must flee Judea?

What does armies gathering around Judea in 70 AD have to do with an abomination of desolation in the holy place at the end of the age at the time His disciples are delivered up to tribulation and killed, resulting in His return?
All of that happed leading up to 70AD Paul repeatedly stated that the gospel had reached the world during his days.

It was also the end of the age as in the temple and sacrificial age and Jesus came in judgement it wasn't the second coming
 

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All of that happed leading up to 70AD Paul repeatedly stated that the gospel had reached the world during his days.

False. Jesus stated that after the tribulation of THOSE days He would send His angels to gather His elect and all the world would see the sign of the Son of Man in the heavens, which Jesus stated would be as lightning that shines from one end of the heavens to the other. Paul states that at that time the dead in Christ will rise first and then those who are still alive will be taken up to meet the Lord together with them in the air.

That did not happen in 70 A.D

It was also the end of the age as in the temple and sacrificial age and Jesus came in judgement it wasn't the second coming

False. The end of the sacrificial age was when the veil in the temple was torn in two.

What you are talking about was the end of the kingdom of Judea. Nothing more, and nothing less. The meaningless sacrifices of the Jews between AD30 and AD70 were just that - meaningless. In fact they were an abomination to God because they were proving by their actions that they rejected God's sacrifice of His Son.
 

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False. Jesus stated that after the tribulation of THOSE days He would send His angels to gather His elect and all the world would see the sign of the Son of Man in the heavens, which Jesus stated would be as lightning that shines from one end of the heavens to the other. Paul states that at that time the dead in Christ will rise first and then those who are still alive will be taken up to meet the Lord together with them in the air.

That did not happen in 70 A.D



False. The end of the sacrificial age was when the veil in the temple was torn in two.

What you are talking about was the end of the kingdom of Judea. Nothing more, and nothing less. The meaningless sacrifices of the Jews between AD30 and AD70 were just that - meaningless. In fact they were an abomination to God because they were proving by their actions that they rejected God's sacrifice of His Son.

True the rapture didn't happen in 70AD we agree on that but it wasn't the rapture that Jesus was talking about, why would Jesus tell them to flee the city if the rapture was happening.

Do you believe the ones take in the later of the chapter is the rapture?

If the sacrifices were all complete at the cross, then why did the disciples still do it after the cross?

It was the sin sacrifices that should of ended at the cross but they didn't thus God ended the temple and sacrificial age