Who founded your church?

[Truther]

Another ignorant cop out.

There werre MANY Books that were considered to be Scripture prior to the Catholic Church's declaration in 383 AD about the official Canon.
They were weeded out by the God-given Authority of the Catholic Church - not ANY Protestant denomination or Lone Ranger renegade.

So YOU, as a Sola Scripturist adhere to a New Testament Canoon that was compiled and declared Canponical by the Catholic Church - the very Church you reject. WHY is that?

The beginning of the RCC(highlighted).

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's easy to prove.

The RCC invented the incarnation idea.(God becoming a sperm cell to mate with Mary).

Both protestants and oneness cannot shake the hook.

The great whore(RCC) that ruined the original, pure Christianity is an ecumenical powerhouse, which her mass deception is poisoning the reformers' minds.

The only way to shake her commentary hook is by going sola scriptura.

You're dodging the question, as usual.

I didn't ask you which doctrines you don't like. I asked you to prove to me that there was a "tiny remnant" that survivied thoughout the centuries that was the "TRUE Church" - and was revived at the Protestan Revolt in the 16th century.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The beginning of the RCC(highlighted).

Sooooo - you're saying that the Catholic Church was created in 383?
Can you show me the official documentation that prmulgated the "creation" of Church during this time?

I didn't think so, Einstein . . .

 

[theefaith]

Ihe compilation of scriptures is what it is.

It must be left alone and only obeyed.

Writing about it is not Biblical doctrine, but horse feathers.

luther said James was not scripture
Is it?
Some say revelation is not
Is it?
Some say there Old Testament has more books like Maccabees wisdom etc.
Does it?
Some say Enoch
Is it?
Some say the gnostic books and gospel of Thomas
Is it?

and HOW do you know one is or one is not scripture?

 

[theefaith]

YOU DONT AND YOU CANNOT!

We must be taught divine revelation by Christ and His church!
Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4

 

[Marymog]

Well Jesus was also baptized by John... Did that one count?......

Good question:

Not sure what you mean by did that one count. When he left this earth He instructed us to baptize in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit. How can Jesus be baptized in his own name. It’s like asking someone to baptize me in my name.

Jesus did not need to be baptized. The baptism by John the Baptist was a baptism of repentance, and the sacrament of baptism removes original sin. Since Jesus had neither original sin nor actual sin, he did not need to undergo baptism.

It should be noted that John the Baptist appears to recognize the strangeness of Jesus asking to be baptized (Matt. 3:14) yet obeys Jesus’ request.

The baptism of Jesus began his public ministry and He gave the first example that we are to follow. For if Jesus, who had no need of repentance or cleansing, humbled himself, then we all the more need to humble ourselves.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I'm sorry to say this, but its a ridiculous question. But at least I can see why you are asking. No, the two disciples and Jesus didn't need to be rebaptized in water. They (the disciples) were actually rebaptized, but not with water.

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that other disciples had to be re-baptized because Johns baptism wasn’t sufficient but the Apostles didn’t have to be re-baptized.

 

[Marymog]

Yes...LOL

If you think my little one liners are commentary, then I will spank you with sola scriptura until you beg for my one liners.

LOL.....i thought it was. Biden cracks me up.

You, on multiple occasions, have given your commentary on scripture and failed to use sola Scriptura to Defend you commentary. You have provided evidence sola Scriptura is not biblical.

Another nail in the sola Scriptura coffin is scripture flat out says hold fast to the traditions you were taught by word of mouth or letter. That one passage shows sola Scriptura is not biblical. Anyone that teaches it is anti-bible.

Who taught you?

 

[FHII]

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that other disciples had to be re-baptized because Johns baptism wasn’t sufficient but the Apostles didn’t have to be re-baptized.

Mary, you are the one who suggested it! You asked the question, not me!

 

[Behold]

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.

Notice "if tho BELIEVEST with all thine heart".......THEN, you may be water baptized.

So, the BELIEVING comes first, and that is when God saves you....."Grace through Faith"....."As many as believed in Jesus, God gives them POWER to become the Sons of God"..

See that? That is God accepting faith to then SAVE YOU......= born again.

Then, you get wet., because you already have BELIEVED and are born again.

 

[theefaith]

Notice "if tho BELIEVEST with all thine heart".......THEN, you may be water baptized.

So, the BELIEVING comes first, and that is when God saves you....."Grace through Faith"....."As many as believed in Jesus, God gives them POWER to become the Sons of God"..

See that? That is God accepting faith to then SAVE YOU......= born again.

Then, you get wet., because you already have BELIEVED and are born again.

then baptism is as meaningless as your Pretended faith!

your not really righteous only declared so
Grace does not actually sanctify only declared you righteous
Not really Holy
Not real faith with no hope and no charity
Don’t really have the cleansing purifying blood of Jesus to be righteous and holy before God

 

[Behold]

then baptism is as meaningless as your Pretended faith!

Im born again, so, my faith is accepted by God, quite a few years ago.
Im "made righteous"., as that is the eternal result of being "justified by faith".
I have the "gift" of God, exactly like all Saints who are born again.
God didnt pretend to accept my faith in Christ, and i dont pretend to be born again by God's Holy Spirit.
Its reality.

 

[theefaith]

Im born again, so, my faith is accepted by God, quite a few years ago.
Im "made righteous"., as that is the eternal result of being "justified by faith".
I have the "gift" of God, exactly like all Saints who are born again.
God didnt pretend to accept my faith in Christ, and i dont pretend to be born again by God's Holy Spirit.
Its reality.

no luther taught your a dung hill covered in snow not actually sanctification holiness or righteousness
Only a legal declaration of righteousness by faith alone and that’s not biblical
Jesus blood actually sanctifys and makes holy
You need verses for that?

baptism is being born again required for justification and sanctification and salvation

there are no personal covenants

 

[theefaith]

Im born again, so, my faith is accepted by God, quite a few years ago.
Im "made righteous"., as that is the eternal result of being "justified by faith".
I have the "gift" of God, exactly like all Saints who are born again.
God didnt pretend to accept my faith in Christ, and i dont pretend to be born again by God's Holy Spirit.
Its reality.

dont think I’m attacking you personally only false doctrines as I see it biblically
I actually thank God for the light of truth and grace you have received!

 

[Behold]

baptism is being born again required for justification and sanctification and salvation

Water has no magic power that can justify you or sanctify you, or save you.
Water cults teach that it does, but the Cross teaches that it does not.

 

[Behold]

dont think I’m attacking you personally only false doctrines as I see it biblically
I actually thank God for the light of truth and grace you have received!

You just told me that my "faith is pretended"....so, that isn't attacking my theology, that is attacking my faith... as being pretended.

Pretended faith, is this.......its when you are not born again, but you have mistaken some church related activity, such as being water baptized as proof you are accepted by God.

Here is the thing.....God didnt die on The Cross to allow you to pretend that water is the Savior.

Think about that, a bit.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Let me show you more now..
Remember that you were recently stating that your religious organization's early church Father's told you that , according to them, what your religious organization teaches about "water saves", came down from The Holy Apostles.......including Paul who told you that Christ sent him "not to baptize"..
Remember that stuff you were showing us?
Well, It was also these same "early church fathers" who originally TITLED your religious organization, as "the cult of Mary".
Now those are your same "early church fathers" from 4-5 AD that came up with that Title.
So, would you like to tell us more about the "cult of Mary" as defined by the "early church fathers", or would you like me to do it, in a Thread?
Im happy to oblige you there........ no prob.

So, while you consider your options there, let me show you this....

Notice this quote..

"""""Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the celestial kingdom; it is also the doorway to personal sanctification""""


See all that water cult doctrine? Do you recognize yourself? Do you recognize your religious organization?
Notice that this quote gives all credit for the purging of sin and entrance into the Kingdom of God, as WATER BASED Salvation. = "the water saves".
Notice there is no Blood of Jesus.....Notice there is NO CROSS......No Blood Atonement.
Do you SEE THAT?
Are you LOOKING?
So, that is your theology, as you presented it to me 20 times in the last 4 days, that your religious organization taught you .

But here is the thing, BreadofLife........This that i quoted is : Jehovah's Witness Theology.
It came directly from their church doctrine.

Do you recognize it?
It sounds just like YOURS and what your religious organization teaches regarding your "baptismal regeneration" nonsense.

I thought you would want to know of another "water cult"..
Now you do.

And there you go again.
Right off the bat, you continue to LIE because you cannot debate the facts.

I have told you at least 10 times now that the Cathollic Church does NOT teach that water saves us - yet you continue to pull this rabbit out of your hat. In your desperation, you HAVE to lie because you can't debate the Biblical facts that have been presented to you regarding Water Baptism.

As we read in 1 Pet. 3:21, we are saved THROUGH the water of Baptism - not "BY" it.
YOU can stop repeating the same lie now because you have been publicly exposed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You would wish it would disappear, but unfortunately for you, it didn't. It was alive and very very well, as I have testified and reminded you constantly over the years, but you being the stubborn bigoted anti-Protestant Catholic you are, you refuse to acknowledge it...even though your very own church and numerous historians since have written of them. As far as your church is concerned, she had to make up stories concerning the real church's many "heresies" in order to justify what would fulfill your wish above...to make it disappear. Those "heresies" were certainly not in accordance to Papal dogma, however, they were in accordance to scripture. But they had to disappear right, because far be it from Rome that there should be churches and believers living even on Rome's doorstep that through their lives of service and missionary endeavour, reveal the Roman lergy and hierarchy for the hypocrites they were becoming. Your quote here...

And which condemned heresies are YOU defending as the "Truth"?
Ariaism?
Gnosticism
Nestorianism?
Sabellianism?

Please elaboerate . . .

reveals the birth of the hierarchal system that fully developed into the papacy that lords it over man and claims even lordship over scripture.
But your church will in the end be destroyed, as will all the works of men, and all that shall remain is the works and the word of God.
6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

So, YOU expect us to believe that Ignatius, who was ordained Bishop of Antioch by the Apostle Peter and was a lifelong student of the Apostle John, who was STILL presumable alive when Ignatius wrote his Letter to the Smyrnaeans was LYING about Christ's Church?
Yet, you expect us to believe all of the drivel written 1800 years LATER by people like false prophetess, Ellen G. White??

This would be comical, if not so pathetically tragic . . .

 

[Behold]

And there you go again.
Right off the bat, you continue to LIE because you cannot debate the facts.I have told you at least 10 times now that the Cathollic Church does NOT teach that water saves us - yet you continue to pull this rabbit out of your hat.

You can keep saying im being dishonest, but, it didnt help you the last 40 times, and its not going to help you the next 50, BreadofLife.
But, its all you have, so, its what we expect.

Now...Here is your reality...
This is.....>Jehovah Witness Teaching.. and you'll recognize it as being exactly what you and all the water cults teach.

"""""" Baptism in water has several purposes. It is for the remission of sins, for membership in the Church, and for entrance into the kingdom of God""""""

Notice that this is what the corrupted and demonic Douay-Rheims teaches as a "doctrines of devil", according to Paul.
You certainly recognize what the JW"s teach, as you are teaching it, yourself.
And you'll do it again, as you can't help yourself.

Now here is the issue........ i'll state it for you again, and next time.
=Water, can't save you. And water does not impart the Holy Spirit or the gift's of the HS, when you are water baptized.
Water has no power to do anything like that, as its just a liquid sitting in a tank, or in a "baptism".

The water cults, as you know....ascribe MYSTICAL POWER to the Water, as being able to "wash away sins", yet, the water can't do anything like this, at all.

So, why is water cult "baptismal regeneration" or "born again OF WATER">... a doctrine of Devil's and cursed of God? Galatians 1:8?

Its because this doctrine of devils and the deceived who teach it try to replace the Blood Atonement's application as "justification by faith", with "water" "water' "water baptism".

One more...>Not only did Paul tell YOU that he didn't come to water baptize, but Paul told YOU that he was sent to "Preach the CROSS".
He was not sent to preach "water baptism".

You do not preach the Cross, as water cult theology has no use for the Cross....., and if you try to actually pretend you are now all about the CROSS..... in the next few posts, you have only to look at your last 100 posts that prove you are up to your theological NECK in WATER WATER WATER.

So, you have a big problem., and the water cults sent you there.

 

[Behold]

And which condemned heresies are YOU defending as the "Truth"?
Ariaism?
Gnosticism
Nestorianism?
Sabellianism?
Please elaboerate . . .
So, YOU expect us to believe that Ignatius, who was ordained Bishop of Antioch by the Apostle Peter.

Your theological history is amended to teach the Catholic Version.
No bible teaches that Peter was a pope, or that he ordained anyone as a pope.
This is "theological fiction" being drooled on a Christian forum.
So, thank you for showing us what is the "revised history" of the Catholic Church.
Next you'll be telling us about Pope Joan and Mary as a perpetual virgin.

But i do have that same question for you again that you keep dodging.
Ready?
It was your "early church fathers" that Titled the Catholic denomination the "cult of the Virgin"......so, why dont you just be honest and refer to it as your early church father's designed it, being that you are so obsessed with "earth church fathers".
No need to avoid the "cult of the virgin" Title......Just go with that, as then we can all see the truth, as your early church fathers realized it to be and stated so..