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You must not have a response since you resorted to ad hominem instead of addressing the argument.You do know that you are looking pretty foolish to the people that are reading this...
I suggest you actually study what proginosko means.Let me explain this to you..
Those who God foreknew, has to be talking about the Born again.
Why? Because God foreknows everyone.
So, its the elect who are born again, and this starts their process of being conformed into the image of Christ.
That conforming, this end result, to be conformed into the Image of Christ, is what is pre-determined or the pre-destined OUTCOME, of being born again.
Let me simplify it more for you..
Im born again.
God knew i would be, before He created the earth.
See, the foreknowledge of God, knows all about all...........at all times.
So, God knew i would choose Christ, and this has a pre-determined end result, that God foreknew.
That end result is that i am destined to be conformed into the image of Christ, and God foreknew this about me, before He made the Planets.
No its not. They are tied together but it has no bearing on the fact that the elect are already determined and have are drawn specifically by God to His son. You need to read the rest of John's Gospel.The context of Roman's chapter 9 is understood and explained by John 3:36
Also...
The elect are elected by Faith, in the "time of the Gentiles".
Ad Hominem and Strawman arguments. I do not presume to know who is or is not elect outside of my own salvation.So that would be you, then?
No wait, you're a predestined elect, so, you are one the chosen, as how could you not be....
And let me guess, all of your family, and friends, and church members..
its only those who are outside your CULT, that are "vessels of wrath".
Your theology is demonic., as you deny that God's Grace is freely given.
You change Grace into a lie.
This makes you Galatians 1:8
facts are factsYou must not have a response since you resorted to ad hominem instead of addressing the argument.
You have a right to your opinion but not your own facts. The fact is, you did not, and I would assume cannot, respond to my actual arguments so you engaged in ad hominem.facts are facts
You have a right to your opinion but not your own facts. The fact is, you did not, and I would assume cannot, respond to my actual arguments so you engaged in ad hominem.
Except you didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. Apparently you don't know the difference. Fact of the matter is you did not engage with my argument, do you care to do so?facts are facts and are owned by no one. So all I have to do is state the facts and you lose.
Except you didn't state a fact, you stated an opinion. Apparently you don't know the difference. Fact of the matter is you did not engage with my argument, do you care to do so?
Are you going to respond to my actual arguments?I do not state opinions I state the God's honest truth.
Are you going to respond to my actual arguments?
No. You never responded to post 165. I have quoted it below to give you another chance.I have.
Even have given you the exact wording in the scriptures that you said did not exist.
Neither of those verses deal with individuals.
For example. You rightly say that John 3:16 does not say "For God so loved the ones he chose" but it also does not say "For God so loved every person"
The reason for that is, you are asking John 3:16 to answer a question that it does not actually address.
No. You never responded to post 165. I have quoted it below to give you another chance.
Who said anything about pointing to a particular group? I sure didn't.It is not an answer it is a statement from Yahweh on how much He loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. He points to no particular group.
Nor does it say, "God loved every individual." There is no amount of twisting the word "world" that makes that word mean every individual.The scripture does not say God loves only those He chose....the elect...the select...the Jew...the Christian...God loved the world as a whole.
Agreed, this verse does not deal with election. World here means humanity as a whole, not individuals.It has nothing to do with selective choice of who He loved. It is none selective...the whole world.
That is not what 1 Tim. 2:4 says. It says all people. And if you look at the context of the preceding verses you clearly see it is all TYPES of people. It is not talking about individuals. If God wanted all to be saved, all would be saved.So what is His will for the world, His desire....
1st Timothy 2:4 "God desires that all sinners be saved."
Yes, you all have brought this verse up before. He is patient toward "you" not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance. The "you" is the key here. Who is the you in this verse? Chapter 3 verse 1 gives that answer. He is writing to the beloved. The elect. So he is not willing that any of the elect shall perish because that is the you. Again, if it meant every individual, all would be saved. But we know that is not the case.2nd Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is patient towards you, not willing that any should parish, but that all should come to repentance."
Being a God of love is one of his qualities, but he is also a God of wrath. You can't only choose to focus on one quality and forget the rest.The great monster puppet master of the Calvinists does not exist....The Christian God is a God of love, not damnation.
That is not what Scripture states.If it has anything to do with God's will, it is only a blessing for all.
Who said anything about pointing to a particular group? I sure didn't.
Nor does it say, "God loved every individual." There is no amount of twisting the word "world" that makes that word mean every individual.
Agreed, this verse does not deal with election. World here means humanity as a whole, not individuals.
That is not what 1 Tim. 2:4 says. It says all people. And if you look at the context of the preceding verses you clearly see it is all TYPES of people. It is not talking about individuals. If God wanted all to be saved, all would be saved.
Yes, you all have brought this verse up before. He is patient toward "you" not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance. The "you" is the key here. Who is the you in this verse? Chapter 3 verse 1 gives that answer. He is writing to the beloved. The elect. So he is not willing that any of the elect shall perish because that is the you. Again, if it meant every individual, all would be saved. But we know that is not the case.
The Matthew verse is taken out of context so I am not even going to address it.
Being a God of love is one of his qualities, but he is also a God of wrath. You can't only choose to focus on one quality and forget the rest.
That is not what Scripture states.
The great monster puppet master of the Calvinists does not exist