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Scripture expressly state that ALL of Jerusalem was "troubled" along with Herod when Jesus was born (Matt. 2:3).

Matt 2:
[2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

Was every single man, woman child, baby, senile person and mentally challenged person "troubled" - or is this simply a generalization?


All in Jerusalem were troubl-ED.
All were Concerned, Worried.
The message is clear...
There was a present King (Herod), who was over the Romans and Jews.
The news of another King, over the Jews, in the news about be born.
Yes, all were worried, concerned, troubled...
What was going to happen with two Kings present.
Guess you do not know history ...
TWO Kings do not rule the same lands, they battle for control. Battle means war.
Typical for people to be concerned, worried, troubled at the prospects of a possible war.

You think little children are unaware, of a Coming troubled matter?
You think they are unaware ... hearing, seeing, talk, preparations...for a Coming crop destruction/ food shortage; for a Coming Weather Storm/ sheltering; a Potiental War/ preparation?
If so, you are native. People of young age, old age, diminished mental capacity can recognize a change in normal routine.

LEARN how to properly divide God's Word . . .

I don't expect by your posts, you have learned to do as Scripture says;

2 Tim 2:
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

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APOSTOLIC LETTER
ON THE PROTECTION OF MINORS AND VULNERABLE PERSONS

Where can I find the Protestant equivalent of that letter?
Where can I find the Protestant response???

CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE NEAR ZERO PERCENT – Catholic League

Playing the sex abuse card, which you like to do, backfires every time. It's a form of sadism, IMO, inflicting as much discomfort on Catholics as possible. Sadism is a sexual disorder. Your handy bat you like to beat Catholics with doesn't work. Sin and truth are two different categories (in case you didn’t know that).
Why do you continue to deflect away from the issue at hand? The question on the table is NOT about sin: who commits it and why. The talk is about moral authority and whether the so-called Catholic church has the authority to dictate belief, behavior, and practice. You have reminded everyone that your so-called authority is no different than the so-called Protestant authorities. And to that, I maintain that we are each individually responsible to God and their is no other authority than Jesus Christ himself. You prove my point. There is no institution qualified to dictate and enforce belief and practice.

I never said that pedophilia was "Church doctrine". Having doctrines is like having a little bit of money in the bank. Most religious people keep their doctrines safe, just as you are doing here. But Jesus said that we need to invest in our doctrines, doing business with them. Catholic church leadership did not invest in their own doctrines. Rather, they excused evil behavior and covered it up. Such men should have been excommunicated and turned over to the authorities. But that didn't happen, proving that the institution is not worthy to be called an authority.

Jesus also taught his disciples not to trust what people say, but look at how they behave. What about the so-called Apostolic Letters, speaking beautiful words that remain empty in practice? When are Catholics going to realize that our true authority does not rest in a religious institution, claiming to be God, but in the truth of a statement, whether it comes from a Bishop or a child? The Truth is our sole authority and we must always live in truth.

Revelation 2:2
‘I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
 

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And once again - Christ's Church is NOT defined by the sins of those individuals within - but by the fact that it is the Body of Christ and Christ Himself is the Head (Col. 1:18).

TheChurch is MORE than a Pope or some Bishops.
If the Pope ran the Mafia - that wouldn't diminish Christ's Church ONE iota. If wqould diminish that Pope.
Of course, all institutions are run by sinners. Why state the obvious? The question on the table concerns the institution you worship, built by sinners and whether the institution you worship stands over all Christ-followers as an authority with regard to belief and practice. For those with eyes to see, the answer is obviously no.
 

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where is that n the Bible?

In Acts with the Bereans. Paul preached and they searched the Scriptures!

In Timothy, AllSCRPTURE is given for doctrine
Peter with the more sure word of prophecy.

Paul in Galatians when He warned of others bringing another gospel.

need more?

Why don't you show where modern men have the right to create new doctrine?
 

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Better yet - why don't YOU show me the official Catholic teaching on praying TO statues and paintings.
I'll even give you the website so you don't need to Google it: Catechism of the Catholic Church
Happy hunting . . .


As for your statement that Mary or ANY other saint in Heaven can't see what's going on here on earth - then you DON'T know your Bible, son.
Heb. 12:1 says that they are "so great a cloud of WITNESSES" that surround us. A "witness" is someone who sees and hears.

And if you want to bring up the fact that neither Lazarus nor the Rich Man could see or intercede on earth - it's because they weren't in HEAVEN, Einstein. Christ had not yet opened it up.

STUDY your Bible . . .

Then why do people pray to Mary, angels and saints? Why do they give Mary worship? Yes I know about dulea, hyper dulea and veneration. but like the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has the DNA of a duck, its a duck. Back where I grew up there were more catholic chuches dedicated to mary, than to Jesus.

And show where those in heaven which can see and hear on earth intercede for earthly inhabitants.
 

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Since you want to continue lying like your fellow anti-Catholics on the thread - it's time to take you to the woodshed again . . .


LOL- so Typically BOL :p
Start your narrative with a Negative Anti-Protestant Accusation ...(as you complain that others are negative Against Catholics)...
FYI- ^ That is a Narcissistic trait.

From post #893 - here is my answer to YOUR question:
" I would say that John coined the Greek term, "Kecharitomene", under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."
[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your "guess" answer.
Your "guess" carries no weight.
So moving on.


Now - where's that refutation of the mountain of scholarly evidece I gave YOU about the word, "Kecharitomene" and its implications about Mary?
I'm STILL waiting for an educated response . . .

Luke 1:
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28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Obvious- (by clear EXPRESS Scripture) At some point, Mary's Virgin Womb was chosen, to Receive the Body of Gods Word, that God Prepared for When His Word was to be Sent forth out from God and come into the world in the Likeness As a man.

Obvious that was a "high honor" God bestowed upon Mary, the virgin Woman.

Obviously, you are not studied, as to WHY Mary of all Virgin women, was "highly favored"... indicative ...there were likely numerous Virgin Jewish Females ... but Something About Mary, made her "highly favored".

You should have learned in First grade;
Who, what, when, WHY and where...
Are important factors to consider When trying to Discover the TRUTH of a matter;
Studying to show yourself approved in Rightly Dividing the Truth.

You have grasped ON to Physolophical erroneous teaching.

Not once does Scripture proclaim Mary was Sinless, without sin, had no Sin.

A Highly favored Earthling does not mean a SINLESS Earthling.
An Earthling Chosen to Serve God, does
not mean a SINLESS Earthling.


Numerous times Scripture EXPRESSLY reveals Gods Word, God sent forth out of His Mouth, in the Body He Prepared, was without Sin.

Your "so called mountain Evidence of Earthly Scholars"... is but "Opinions" of Earthly men, I do not know, or studied their Works, or know what they Studied, or how they concluded "their Opinions".

I don't have any "need" to study Opinions of some unknown (to me) men;
I have A Book of Scriptural Writings; God Approved, for me.

And the Book God Approved for me...
Is Clear...all Earthlings have Sinned.

Nothing whatsoever Excluded Mary, from being an Earthling.

Not arguing with you about "your reliance on a mountain of Opinions, from Scholars you Trust"...

Expressly saying, I reject "your Earthly Scholars Opinions".
I trust Scriptures Truth OVER your "Earthly Scholars Opinions".

No need to get all whiney, because You have presented Nothing from Scripture that Supports your "Theory", that Mary was SINLESS.

Rom 3:
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23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

No Earthlings Exclusion!


 

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"Completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with grace - a past even with a permanent reult" = without sin.

That's "Kecharitomene" in a nutshell - and NOBODY said she "earned" it . . .


Sorry, Mary is highly favoured AMONG Women, not above women.
She was not conceived without sin, she sinned in her life (Rom. 3:23), had sex with Joseph and had at least 6 other children.

After Gabriel calling her highly favoured--all the rest of RCC teaching on MAry is man made and derived during the dark times of the church through pagan practices of the gentiles brought into the church.

And before you go starting to cite early chruch fathers opinions of Mary, remember, their writings were not selected to be part of God INspired Scripture! And they all came from pagan backgrounds and I contend kept some of those thoughts when they became Christians. No one is perfect!

Also one can take all the RCC dogma and mythology surrounding MAry and find their counterparts in teh pagan religions that many of teh church fathers or their families practiced before they came to Christ.

I will say in their defense, it seems a perfectly logical and reasonable jump to bestow on Mary, many of the titles found in pagan practices. They are similar in details and one could logically jump to say that what was wrongfully given to the many female deities rightly belong to Mary.
 
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In Acts with the Bereans. Paul preached and they searched the Scriptures!

In Timothy, AllSCRPTURE is given for doctrine
Peter with the more sure word of prophecy.

Paul in Galatians when He warned of others bringing another gospel.

need more?

Why don't you show where modern men have the right to create new doctrine?

Hi Ron-

Men have freewill. Men can makeup their own religious doctrines...and Do.

It is The Righteous man, who can recognize a man-made Doctrine that is Greater, Superseding, NOT in line with Jesus' doctrine...and the result being...
Turning Jesus' Doctrine into a Lie.
(And BTW...^ That Result IS most egregious to God)

God Bless,
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Soooooo, if a mother kisses a picture of her baby or a soldier kisses a picture of his sweetheart - they're IDOL WORSHIPPERS?
Can you can anything more stupid than thatNow that we're past that idiocy - can you show me the official Catholic teaching on praying TO statues and paintings - OR do you just want to concede defeat now?


Speaking redundant and retarded insults is all you have left?
Seems so, as this is all you do on the forum.
You can't defend your water cult's doctrine of devils ... 1 Timothy 4:1, so you attack with lame ignorance.

Do you never get tired of trying to hide your water cults Mary Worship and Water Regeneration, lies?
I know you see it, but, you just can't stop, can you.

So, look at it again.
Look at this lying deception that tries to give Mary the authority of Christ.
This IS the "cult of the Virgin's' hellish doctrine.
Why do you want ot keep being a part of what you know is deceit?
Why do you want to keep being a part of a religious system that burned people and created the dark ages?

Here it is again, and this is taken from a Catholic Site as written by:

Mediatrix of All Graces
Author: Father William G. Most

""""For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us".

And then it gets worse...


""""""Mary was associated with her Son in acquiring grace for us, she will also share with him in distributing that grace to us. This fits well with the words of the Popes, who call her the administra of grace, meaning that she administers or dispenses it. So Pope Leo XIII, Iucunda semper, said:

"... when He [the Father] has been invoked with excellent prayers, our humble voice turns to Mary; as follows by St. Bernardine of Siena : 'Every grace that is communicated to this world has a threefold course. For by excellent order, it is dispensed from God to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, from the Virgin to us.""""
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Sorry, Mary is highly favoured AMONG Women, not above women.
She was not conceived without sin, she sinned in her life (Rom. 3:23), had sex with Joseph and had at least 6 other children.

After Gabriel calling her highly favoured--all the rest of RCC teaching on MAry is man made and derived during the dark times of the church through pagan practices of the gentiles brought into the church.

And before you go starting to cite early chruch fathers opinions of Mary, remember, their writings were not selected to be part of God INspired Scripture! And they all came from pagan backgrounds and I contend kept some of those thoughts when they became Christians. No one is perfect!

Also one can take all the RCC dogma and mythology surrounding MAry and find their counterparts in teh pagan religions that many of teh church fathers or their families practiced before they came to Christ.

I will say in their defense, it seems a perfectly logical and reasonable jump to bestow on Mary, many of the titles found in pagan practices. They are similar in details and one could logically jump to say that what was wrongfully given to the many female deities rightly belong to Mary.

•From the beginning- men have been chosen BY God, to Hear Gods Word; then Teach Gods Word to "other" men.

•NOT a Big Secret...the "other" men "hearing" "Doubted what THEY could NOT SEE"

•Moses complained, Job complained...
Men would not Believe "their" preaching "without" Seeing.

Gentile men, who began following Jesus' Chosen Jewish Disciples...and such Gentile men, Beginning to foster the building of Churches, inviting men to come and HEAR, the Gospel of Jesus....

UH..."they", those Teachers, encountered the Same Problem...People "hearing", Doubted, what they "could not see".

The "problem" became "magnified"...
Preaching...The Holy Sinnless Jesus, was born out of the Womb, of an Earthly Woman...

• Yikes, a Bigger Problem...How were "teachers" going to "convince" the People "hearing" that;
A SINLESS body came forth out of A Sinful woman's Womb????

•As the Disciples of Jesus were physically dying off, and several "Gentile men" had been appointed "head" positions in the Churches being established...

•Yet Again...preaching Gods Truth to the People at Large Became Difficult...Because...
It MADE NO "LOGICAL SENSE", that a "Holy SINLESS Babe", could be Born forth from a "Sinful woman's Womb".

•Thus the MOST "egregious" Corrupt Plot was hatched...."Preach, Mary was "an Earthly Human"....But "Supernaturally Excluded from being "Tainted", with Sin"!

•There! Gods Supernatural Exclusion for Mary; problem Solved!
( pssst...who's the wiser, the People at large, can't read...shhh....more deception to follow )

Begin a Lie, build on a Lie!!!
 

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Of course, all institutions are run by sinners. Why state the obvious? The question on the table concerns the institution you worship, built by sinners and whether the institution you worship stands over all Christ-followers as an authority with regard to belief and practice. For those with eyes to see, the answer is obviously no.
According to your standards, no institution on earth, including yours, is qualified to teach. What's so sickening about your rant is pretending the Catholic Church hasn't done anything about it. It WAS the worst crisis in history, we know that. We are more appalled than you are. You don't need to constantly rub poop in our faces over something that no longer exists. You ignore the evidence.

40 years have past, the bad guys are dead, in jail, or as far as possible thrown out of ministry and you think there is a bunch of pedophiles running loose. In the past, the few enabling bishops have been made accountable, and some bishops have been the one to notify the police. Almost every diocese has a "report abuse" button on their web page. But you don't care about that. You have lots of excuses to hate the Catholic Church, being a media zombie is one of them. You cannot be reasoned with.
Protestant Inquisitions: “Reformation” Intolerance & Persecution

Abuse Among Fundamentalist Baptists Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse ...

Sexual Abuse Exposed in Fundamental Baptist Churches – PJ

Investigation Unearths Hundreds Of Sexual Abuse

...Hundreds of Sex Abuse Cases Found in Fundamental Baptist ...
I know the standard denials used by self righteous bigots...I'm not a baptist, I am not a fundamentalist, I am not a Protestant...the Church has no authority because it has sinners in it...blah, blah, blah. The world wants to rid itself of moral authority so there can be no voice opposing transgender ideology, same sex unions, abortion, contraception, euthanasia, divorce, millions starving, all tearing the fabric of civilization while lily white Christians blindly condemn Catholicism. You are just part of the world but can't see it.

The Church has done her laundry and will always do so, you have no grounds using your pedophilia obsession as a bat to beat Catholics with. You ran from my question in post #922 and followed with another mindless rant instead.

 
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@ Ronald Nolette

Begin a Lie, Build on a Lie.

The Lie...Mary SINLESS.
Building on the Lie.

Ignatius - appointed Bishop of the early church in Antioch...

FEW of his writings remain, however his Opinions and Church Structure Remains in what men call Catholic churches.

Ignatius' Opinion was: a Church, with a Government type Structure;
A Bishop of a Church is the God of the Church.
Deacons of a Church are the Christ's of the Church.
Disciples of the Church are the Members of the Church.

• How EXTRA-ordinarily Clever, to Declare a WHO fills what Role...in a man-made Church.

The Bishop- equal with God.
Don't challenge what God Says-
Therefore Do Not Challenge what the Bishop says.

• So Time travel...Back into History.
Moses' difficulty teaching men, about what they Could not SEE.
Job and other teachers, same difficulty.

•Ignatius' "clever" idea.

• Uh oh...People at Large beginning to read, books being printed...buzz about....
Where does Scripture say Mary was SINLESS?
Inconveniently...NOT IN Scripture.

•Pope Pius IX (Bishop of Rome) on December 8, 1854, issued a proclamation ex cathedra claiming that it had been revealed to him by God that Mary was conceived without sin.

Well there ya go...the Catholics "Earthly Bishop has Spoken"... must be true...
LOL!!!

Oh, now, now....forget that Jesus (Gods Truth) never proclaimed, taught, or sent His Disciples out to Teach Any such nonsense.

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Mary became sinless after she went to the Temple and the rabbi helped her to recite the sinners prayer. Don't you know your Bible?

Ah..... Comic relief.
Thank you for posting such a theological joke, Illuminator.

You know, Readers........the Mary obsession, =is taken from the Goddess Diana obsession that flourished in Ephesus before 5ad and up until today.
Today it has a few new titles..
The "cult of the virgin" is a Title switch that isn't a different cult.

1. Diana = Queen of Heaven

2. Mary = Queen of Heaven

All it takes is a little honest investigation, and you can free yourself from the "cult of the Virgin". (Diana Paganism).

And while you are there, do a deep study on "gnostic", .. The Father of......= Valentinus.
This guy WAS/IS Gnosticism, and He almost became POPE at about the same time Diana was becoming Mary.

Check it out, do the research, take being deceived seriously..... and get away from this water cult based on Diana worship, Reader.
It can be done.
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Mary became sinless after she went to the Temple and the rabbi helped her to recite the sinners prayer. Don't you know your Bible?

Ohhh...So Mary, hearing she was to become Pregnant...had to hurry to The Temple and get Instruction from a Rabbi about how to recite the Sinners "Prayer", so she would no longer BE a SINNER?
(Can you cite Book, Chapter, verse?)

That "theory" sort of puts a damper on "Catholic teaching"...that Mary was herself "naturally born", without sin.
 

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Isn't it Amazing...only men skilled in the arts of drawing, sculpturing...(laborers), knew what Mary looked like!

:rolleyes:

Perhaps they got Instruction from their "Earthly Bishop god".
 

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You lied when you stated very plainly that I accuse "everybody" of lying.
Or did you forget??

LOL -
You have a little narssistic, Transparent, worn out, laughable System.
People who do not agree with your teaching;
You declare them anti-Catholic...
Then you declare them all liars.

It is obvious you are anti-Protestant ... but no need to pretend that defines a liar, (as you try to pretend being anti-Catholic defines a liar).

In numerous instances, Catholics, such as yourself, make "specific" Claims "about the Word of God", that have ZERO Standing in the "Word of God".

There is ZERO verification IN Scriptural Doctrine to Verify your claims.

What you believe and promote...is a Earthly man's Doctrine, written Outside of Biblical Doctrine....
And sorry...but that doesn't fly with Men who have put their Trust in the Word of God, that AS God Taught, not only CAN what they Hear BE Verified by Scripture...but that Scripture IS precisely the means TO verify what they Hear.

It is Precisely, the Duty of any "teacher" of Gods Word...to attribute Gods Word to God, NOT make up nonsense and Attribute it to God.

No Dust Created Earthling is Sinless.
•Read the Scriptural Truth•

God CREATED and MADE the first Earthling, "VERY GOOD"....NOT SINLESS!

And thereafter, that "Very good" man, fell from his "goodness"... and Every Earthling "procreated" from a man's "natural stock seed", Do not Begin their "natural life very good"...and definitely...NOT SINLESS.!

The Best an Earthling can HOPE for is to be "Forgiven", Made "Reconciled as GOOD", and Wait for the "promise" of a new "SINLESS" glorified Body...
Not a newsflash...
The "waiting period" for men to receive "a SINLESS body"... is a WAITING period Still in effect.

Not a Secret, the waiting is a Day No one knows...The Knowing WHEN, is revealed, after the Fact, that men's Body's ARE changed

Nope...no special circumstance Afforded Mary's Body. Her Body is Naturally Dead, returning to Dust, waiting to be Risen up without Sin...
Like All other Body's of Saved souls and Quickened spirits Earthlings in Waiting.
 
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1749 Freedom makes man a moral subject. When he acts deliberately, man is, so to speak, the father of his acts. Human acts, that is, acts that are freely chosen in consequence of a judgment of conscience, can be morally evaluated. They are either good or evil...

The object, the intention, and the circumstances make up the "sources," or constitutive elements, of the morality of human acts.

1751 The object chosen is a good toward which the will deliberately directs itself. It is the matter of a human act. The object chosen morally specifies the act of the will, insofar as reason recognizes and judges it to be or not to be in conformity with the true good. Objective norms of morality express the rational order of good and evil, attested to by conscience.

1752 In contrast to the object, the intention resides in the acting subject. Because it lies at the voluntary source of an action and determines it by its end, intention is an element essential to the moral evaluation of an action. The end is the first goal of the intention and indicates the purpose pursued in the action. The intention is a movement of the will toward the end: it is concerned with the goal of the activity. It aims at the good anticipated from the action undertaken. Intention is not limited to directing individual actions, but can guide several actions toward one and the same purpose; it can orient one's whole life toward its ultimate end. For example, a service done with the end of helping one's neighbor can at the same time be inspired by the love of God as the ultimate end of all our actions. One and the same action can also be inspired by several intentions, such as performing a service in order to obtain a favor or to boast about it.

1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving). Matt. 6:24

1754 The circumstances, including the consequences, are secondary elements of a moral act. They contribute to increasing or diminishing the moral goodness or evil of human acts (for example, the amount of a theft). They can also diminish or increase the agent's responsibility (such as acting out of a fear of death). Circumstances of themselves cannot change the moral quality of acts themselves; they can make neither good nor right an action that is in itself evil.

II. GOOD ACTS AND EVIL ACTS

1755 A morally good act requires the goodness of the object, of the end, and of the circumstances together. An evil end corrupts the action, even if the object is good in itself (such as praying and fasting "in order to be seen by men").

The object of the choice can by itself vitiate an act in its entirety. There are some concrete acts - such as fornication - that it is always wrong to choose, because choosing them entails a disorder of the will, that is, a moral evil.

1756 It is therefore an error to judge the morality of human acts by considering only the intention that inspires them or the circumstances (environment, social pressure, duress or emergency, etc.) which supply their context. There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.

IN BRIEF

1757 The object, the intention, and the circumstances make up the three "sources" of the morality of human acts.

1758 The object chosen morally specifies the act of willing accordingly as reason recognizes and judges it good or evil.

1759 "An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention" (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. praec. 6). The end does not justify the means.

1760 A morally good act requires the goodness of its object, of its end, and of its circumstances together.

1761 There are concrete acts that it is always wrong to choose, because their choice entails a disorder of the will, i.e., a moral evil. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The morality of human acts (vatican.va)
 

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Ye cannot enter into the KINGDOM lest like a small child . It never said world wise pope heeding twisted doctrine .
The popes and many are highly intellectual philosophical world , WORLD , wise . But lambs are as small children .
We trust what the bible says , we heed the SPIRIT and we test all men . lambs dont fall for twisted highly intellectual
wise sounding deception . They just trust as does a small child JESUS . And that means the BIBLICAL one
They love those bibles . If you all want to sit under men who for centuries , in order to create slaves of men
to serve mans cause , then that will be on you . But as for me and the lambs , WE hear one voice . AND a hint , IT AINT THE POPES .
And it aint the prosperity preachers , and it aint the emgergents , and it aint the liberal . ITS JESUS VOICE . And that Alone is who I NEED
and one book alone shall i read . THE BIBLE . And have fellowship with others who serve Christ and not mens twisted dogma .
You are loved my friend . Its why i did try and convince you .

dogma is from the Latin de fide or thee faith or divine and catholic faith or divine revelation in scripture and tradition
 

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Every time you say the Lord’s Prayer you are praying for the establishment of the catholic faith
 

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I am surprised that the bible doesn't record Peter and the apostles saying "Did anyone say KFC?" Perhaps it is in the catholic bible.


That is why I joined the Jesus Church. You know, I will build MY church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That cannot be the catholic church what with popes fathering children, imposing indulgences to buy your way to heaven, burning people at the stake and killing other Christians because they were not catholics.

what hath light to do with darkness
Christ with belial
Truth with error
The one true church and demonic Protestant sects

whats KFC?