Dead to the Law

[CharismaticLady]

If a person could keep all of the Law ( and they can’t) they would be wasting their time as far as Salvation is concerned....” By The Works Of The Law, NO Flesh shall be Justified) It’s Faith in the Blood Of Jesus That Saves.Plus Nothing.
Obedience to the Law will get you blessed ...if you do not steal, for example, you will be blessed by not going to jail.....
Yes, Obedience to the Law will get you blessed, but it will not Save.Why not? Because it was “ weak and useless” according to Paul....It had NO POWER to Save....it could only Condemn..
All the POWER to Save is in the Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4.......Trade in your well-intentioned attempts to keep the Law That was never intended to be kept ( Paul said neitherche nor his father’s could keep it) and start relying on something better to lead and guide you—- the Holy Spirit.....you can trust Him to “ blow the whistle”, when you get out of line.....give the Law to somebody that still needs it......that would be an unregenerate man or woman who has yet to let that Law serve it’s intended purpose which was to “ close your mouth” about being able to keep it, and let it reveal to you that you are a Sinner in need of a Savior....That is the Conviction Of The Holy Spirit.....once your Heart is Convicted, then one can Repent by NOT Turning “FROM” Sin ( although that can and will be a part of it AFTER you get Saved) But by Turning “ TO” God ......
“ Turn to Me and I will Turn to You”...... Salvation is just THAT simple.....If you “Turn from Sin” without involving a Turn to God First...you are just spinning your wheels uselessly and you are still Lost......
The Prerogative to Save MUST begin with God ( “ no man comes to God unless the Spirit draw him) The Spirit “ draws” men by the Conviction Of Sin. That Conviction gives one a Contrite Heart.....That Contrite Heart Turns to God or REPENTS toward God and with the “ Mind Change” (Repentance) that he is a Sinner That MUST have a Savior because he Can’t keep the Law .....he puts his Faith in the One that DID keep the Law and thereby became the one who was Crucified, dead and Buried and rose from the dead in order to get you Saved.... all YOU Gotta do is simply Believe it......
Just do God’s Will.....” Believe in the One that He sent” ....Obey God’s New Testament Commandment, which is to REST in the Gospel ....If you ain’t “ Resting” , you are Working and God won’t have it.....Ask Cain......or the Pharisees ...it’s not what you are doing “ FOR” God that Saves.....it’s what God did for YOU....He Gave His Son .....Simply Believe it.....






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You do what your conscience tells you to do.

What I believe is written on our hearts is not the Ten Commandments per se with the 4th commandment, but what I call the eternal laws of God that the Ten Commandments were fashioned after, but didn't quite measure up to their depth or could make on perfect.

Mark 12:
28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”

29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

 

[CharismaticLady]

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King David did much worse.....where is he at today I wonder....Moses, too was a murderer....Grace sure us unfair, isn’t it.....

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Luther said we could kill and rape a thousand times a day and Grace would cover it....don’t get your panties in a knot,all you Legalists out there.....Luther was using “ hyperbole”...... look it up....

He was exaggerating, but he still meant it, that willful sins of lawlessness could not separate us from God. But John says those who commit that type of willful sins of lawlessness are of the devil. So, yes, they do separate you from God, never having been His in the first place. ML was a poor teacher.

 

[CharismaticLady]

.....just about as Unbiblical as it gets.....”Jesus Christ is THE END OF THE LAW for all of those that Believe”......

He is the end of the Old Covenant, the ministry of death, and author of the better promises of the New Covenant.

6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Having the Good Sense to REALIZE one is a Sinner and having the Courage and Honesty to admit it is NOT the same as “ Bragging “ about it....
Do you have a Spouse? Give me three minutes to talk to him....
We’ll see just how “ Sinless” you are.....
Even if you were “ Sinless” , it would be a waste of time.....”By The Works Of The Law, NO MAN ( or deluded woman) will be Justified.....It’s Faith in Jesus alone that Saves....NOT by ones ability to keep the Law......it’s like you live by abiding to the rules of Checkers, and the game is Chess...” The Righteous By Faith shall live” ....NOT “ The Righteous By Performance shall live”..... I suggest you “ get with the program”....

I realized I was a sinner before coming to Christ. In fact, my helplessness to be righteous on my own and failing miserably is when I repented. Jesus then filled me with His Spirit and empowered me with so much power over sin, I didn't have anymore desire to commit sin. That is the truth of being born again. What is your definition or version? Imputed righteousness while you keep on sinning?

 

[Behold]

We play a part in Salvation; we must be yielded vessels to stay in His grace.

God's Grace is the blood of Jesus.
What you are describing is the idea of keeping yourself saved.
This can't be done.

God's Grace does not require your effort.
If it did, it would not be Grace.

 

[Behold]

The blood of Jesus only works if we walk in obedience.
1 John 1
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

You are perfectly describing Legalism.
This is "I'm trying to save myself" while i pretend i trust in Jesus.

See, if you really Trust in Christ, you dont try to do by self effort, what only God can do for you as "the gift of Salvation".

 

[Behold]

1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

You have stated on this forum that you have sinned and you confess, and that is since i showed up you told us this...
So, are you posting this verse to prove you are of the devil?

Do you ever actually think about what you write before you post it?
You should start.
Today would be good.

 

[Behold]

do you actually have to be righteous to go to heaven?

Satan was cast out of heaven because sin is not found there..
Its found down here, because He is the Father of Iniquity, the "god of this world", and every human being, not born again, is a child of iniquity = his child.
God's Blood, is the redemption from our iniquity and from our fallen "state", which means that our "born again Spirit' is restored BACK to the original "Adam", by the sacrifice of the 2nd Adam who is Christ.

Its like this..
The first Adam brought the fall to us all, and the 2nd Adam, Jesus, restored us back into the original righteousness that Adam had before he lost it.
Being "born again" is to be restored by spiritual birth back into the sinless state that Adam had before he sinned and lost his righteousness.

The born again are "made righteous", by the blood of Jesus, or the 2nd Adam.
To be "made righteous" is to become just like Adam was, before he lost his righteousness by sinning.

 

[theefaith]

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

then it a fake religion
Not righteous
Not holy
grace does not sanctify

What happened to the gospel?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlastingpunishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Charlie24]

then it a fake religion
Not righteous
Not holy
grace does not sanctify

What happened to the gospel?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlastingpunishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Have you not heard of the New Covenant that Paul teaches in his epistles?

That Christ fulfilled the Law that none of us could do, that the Law might be fulfilled in us who believe.

In a nutshell the New Covenant is God seeing us who are in Christ as Law-keepers by faith in the One who did keep the Law.

This is why Paul tells us we are no longer bound to the Law, but to faith in Christ!

But of course, those who enslave themselves with Law and Commandment will persecute those who consider themselves dead to the Law, as they did Paul!

 

[theefaith]

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King David did much worse.....where is he at today I wonder....Moses, too was a murderer....Grace sure us unfair, isn’t it.....

was Lazarus saved by being poor?

lk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 

[theefaith]

No. Regardless of what false prophets have said in this thread the only reason we're righteous is because Jesus has covered our sins. When we come to Him we become righteous but not by our own doing and this is what really annoys me is the fact that there's false teachings on here confusing members and that's not how it works and I sure wish the staff (no offense as I consider you all to be my friends on here) would do something about it when they're clearly leading people astray.

was Lazarus saved by being poor?

lk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

the publican and thief on the cross by prayer?

 

[theefaith]

Satan was cast out of heaven because sin is not found there..
Its found down here, because He is the Father of Iniquity, the "god of this world", and every human being, not born again, is a child of iniquity = his child.
God's Blood, is the redemption from our iniquity and from our fallen "state", which means that our "born again Spirit' is restored BACK to the original "Adam", by the sacrifice of the 2nd Adam who is Christ.

Its like this..
The first Adam brought the fall to us all, and the 2nd Adam, Jesus, restored us back into the original righteousness that Adam had before he lost it.
Being "born again" is to be restored by spiritual birth back into the sinless state that Adam had before he sinned and lost his righteousness.

The born again are "made righteous", by the blood of Jesus, or the 2nd Adam.
To be "made righteous" is to become just like Adam was, before he lost his righteousness by sinning.

not really righteous
Not holy
Not sanctified
Only declared so, but not in reality
You make God say something that is not really true???

 

[theefaith]

Have you not heard of the New Covenant that Paul teaches in his epistles?

That Christ fulfilled the Law that none of us could do, that the Law might be fulfilled in us who believe.

In a nutshell the New Covenant is God seeing us who are in Christ as Law-keepers by faith in the One who did keep the Law.

This is why Paul tells us we are no longer bound to the Law, but to faith in Christ!

But of course, those who enslave themselves with Law and Commandment will persecute those who consider themselves dead to the Law, as they did Paul!

Where does the Bible say you can’t keto the law or commandments
If that were true it would be injustice for God to command them

explain Lk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

how much more now that we have by the sacraments “sanctifying grace”!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You cannot turn to God without first turning away from sin.


In a nutshell, this is where you go off the rails.....”Turn to “ME”, and I will turn to you”......Repentance is Turning “TO” God, NOT Turning “ FROM” Sin......

It looks like this ( the example that Jesus gave with the Sinful Tax Collector.....” God, have Mercy on me , a Sinner”.....
This was spurred by the Contrite Heart that only the Holy Spirit can give a person....One gets “ that”, by being convicted of Sin....
Only God can start this process,,...” Nobody comes to God, lest the Spirit draw him” , and that Spirit draws men by the Conviction Of Sin.....That is where it all starts and the initiative belongs with God....

 

[theefaith]

You cannot turn to God without first turning away from sin.


In a nutshell, this is where you go off the rails.....”Turn to “ME”, and I will turn to you”......Repentance is Turning “TO” God, NOT Turning “ FROM” Sin......

It looks like this ( the example that Jesus gave with the Sinful Tax Collector.....” God, have Mercy on me , a Sinner”.....
This was spurred by the Contrite Heart that only the Holy Spirit can give a person....One gets “ that”, by being convicted of Sin....
Only God can start this process,,...” Nobody comes to God, lest the Spirit draw him” , and that Spirit draws men by the Conviction Of Sin.....That is where it all starts and the initiative belongs with God....

why not
If I’m saved born again
What does it matter that I have a harem?

 

[BarneyFife]

I agree but it sounds like they're saying that if we still sin we're not saved and oh yeah @firstthings1st. I forgot to add you.

Sanctification is the work of a lifetime. I think JBF knows that. BB53 is here to practice the antithesis of Carnegie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People." I've always said that the problem with legalists is that they don't take the law seriously enough.

 

[Charlie24]

Where does the Bible say you can’t keto the law or commandments
If that were true it would be injustice for God to command them

explain Lk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

how much more now that we have by the sacraments “sanctifying grace”!

They were under Law! The way to be blameless was through the Sacrificial System of the Law.

The sacrifice of an animal which represented the future sacrifice of Christ for the sins of the world.

None of them could keep the Law!

Jn. 7:19

"Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”

 

[theefaith]

They were under Law! The way to be blameless was through the Sacrificial System of the Law.

The sacrifice of an animal which represented the future sacrifice of Christ for the sins of the world.

None of them could keep the Law!

Jn. 7:19

"Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?”

Speaking to the Pharisees

sanctifying grace thru the sacraments enables us to be holy and righteous