How would you handle this situation? "Sex Transition"

[marks]

Dis-own your children? Is that even scriptural? Aren't we supposed to love rather than condemn. Just loved but didn't condemn.

For me disown seems a stong term, just the same, I'm thinking about where Paul said to excommunicate the person in aggregious blatant sin. Continuing as-is can give the impression we're all OK about it.

On the practical level, as not all my family are Christians, I've found that voicing my view, my understanding of the Bible, well, suffice to say it wasn't necessary to disown anyone, they wouldn't talk to me!

It was over 10 years that my little sister would speak with me after my wife and I took her to dinner to share the Gospel with her. It was pleasant, reasonable, loving, and she rejected me along with Christ. On a side note, I realized towards the end of my little talk that the whole restaurant had gone quiet as everyone was listening. I can't wait to find out what happened that day!

On a question like this one, I don't know what I would do, but I would trust that God would give me the direction were it to become an issue in my life.

Much love!

 

[Pearl]

I doubt God is more concerned with little ones because of physical age, but with their dependency and relative innocence. Because teaching impressionable children to sin can set them down a similar path themselves. Young Christians are like children, and many a false teacher will wish they had died early on judgement day.

I don't get what you're saying here. You seem to have changed the subject of the OP somehow.

 

[lforrest]

I don't get what you're saying here. You seem to have changed the subject of the OP somehow.

I was making a clarification about my position in response to your point that we don't know how old the grandchild is.

 

[Pearl]

I was making a clarification about my position in response to your point that we don't know how old the grandchild is.

I doesn't matter what age the person is, child or adult, it is their grandchild and should be loved no matter what, as should the parents who are the guy's own son or daughter and spouse. Love, love, love. Not condemnation and judgement. It is people who so rigidly condemn and judge that give Christianity a bad name in the world. It's like back in the days when an unfortunate young woman would be thrown out of her home by her parents for daring to get pregnant before getting a husband. I hope that doesn't happen any longer. We need to just keep loving and let God do the judging. But Jesus himself said he didn't come to condemn the world but his followers seem to do an awful lot of it.

 

[April_Rose]

I can actually see where you're both going with this.

 

[amigo de christo]

So from your reaction I take it that you would reject your own children and grandchildren if they made life decisions you don't agree with. But the thing is unless they are Christians they are yet sinners and how will they know the love of God if their own father and grandfather rejects them?

Since when did the children become the boss of the elders . raise those kids right . We dont let children or society dictate
what we do or how we raise any child .

 

[amigo de christo]

I doesn't matter what age the person is, child or adult, it is their grandchild and should be loved no matter what, as should the parents who are the guy's own son or daughter and spouse. Love, love, love. Not condemnation and judgement. It is people who so rigidly condemn and judge that give Christianity a bad name in the world. It's like back in the days when an unfortunate young woman would be thrown out of her home by her parents for daring to get pregnant before getting a husband. I hope that doesn't happen any longer. We need to just keep loving and let God do the judging. But Jesus himself said he didn't come to condemn the world but his followers seem to do an awful lot of it.

Love , love , love , corrects . Charity shall cover a multitude of sins .
Now lets take us a lil peek at james . If any of you does err and one converts him back he has saved a soul from death
And covered a multitude of sins . NO . ITS CORRECTION TIME . The kids nor our govt shall dictate
how we raise up our children or grand children . I dont yet have grand children .
But if one told me call me a girl when they are a boy , IT WONT happen . NEVER , not once , not period .
WE have a responsiblity out of great love to correct . ANY who loves not is a hater and LOVE corrects .

 

[Pearl]

But if one told me call me a girl when they are a boy , IT WONT happen . NEVER , not once , not period .

Oh right, so IF it happened would you turn your back on them and reject them? Sounds like a good Christian attitude. We may not agree with the choices our non-Christian family make but we need to keep loving them whatever their choices.

 

[Pearl]

Since when did the children become the boss of the elders . raise those kids right . We dont let children or society dictate
what we do or how we raise any child .

Children grow up and become adults with a right to their own lives and a right to their own choices even if they are choices we don't agree with or can't understand. A wise parent or grandparent won't make a big issues of it and keep loving and supporting them anyway.

 

[Kobo]

This is not a case that's happening in my family.
I found this on the internet, grand parents asking advice:

A grandson is being supported by his parents to “transition” to a girl. They say that if we don’t call him by his new female name, they’ll cut us out of their lives. We don’t know where this is coming from or what to do. How do we show them love without abandoning our Christian values?

How would you handle this situation?

By handle, what do you mean? Jesus Christ never commands any of His followers to condemn others for the choices they make in their lives. So, as long as it is not your body, God has not called you to "handle" it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Children grow up and become adults with a right to their own lives and a right to their own choices even if they are choices we don't agree with or can't understand. A wise parent or grandparent won't make a big issues of it and keep loving and supporting them anyway.

Folks do as folks do . But the question was , HOW would i HANDLE the situation .
And i wont cave in to a lie that would dishonor GOD as well as harm the child . So , yeah any child , even if it aint my own
that asks me to call them the sex they were not born , Yeah , i aint doing it .

 

[Addy]

One of my landlords is transgender... they waited till they were in their 70's to do so.
When I moved here... they defined themselves as male... and a year later... they defined themselves as female.
I had never encountered this type of issue before... and so I chose to do some research... and I had to work out
how I was going to deal with the whole thing.

What I decided to do was honour and respect the person... without having to throw in my two cents worth.
Sadly... I think all too often we "think" that by rejecting others for their BEHAVIOURS... we are being Christian.
We have this NEED to "wash the blood from our hands".

I call this person by their name... and try to stay away from gender related comments... however... I have also
used "she" in certain situations.

Sometimes life puts you right in the middle of something "messy"... and very uncomfortable... and this situation was
one of those things for me.

This incident forced me to face my feelings... thoughts and beliefs about the LGBTQ agenda... and it forced me to
contemplate my bottom line.

There are two genders... male and female... these genders are assigned at conception. Anything over and above that
is something I am unable to accept. I would never be able to call one person THEY or anything other than male or female.
It is simply where I draw the line. My beliefs are intact and I am responsible for them.

When it comes to forcing people to BEHAVE in certain ways... I learned a long time ago that it is NOT possible to control
what others say... think and/or do.

If my daughter/son confronted me as a gramma and threatened me like these parents apparently did... I would choose to
hold my ground... and inform them that my beliefs as a Christian are as follows.... If you cannot accept that... then you will
have to decide if I am worthy of being in your child's life. Life demands difficult choices at times. Ultimatums are never a good
thing.

There are consequences to absolutely everything we do. We have to learn to pick our fights ( so to speak ).

Knowing what I believe about things... and knowing my bottom line is simply how I have learned to live in peace.

When I see someone who is living a life that I am not comfortable with... I simply ask Father to work in their lives.

We serve a God who promises to reveal Himself to those who seek Him with all their heart. Our journey in life is a process.

 

[Pearl]

What I decided to do was honour and respect the person... without having to throw in my two cents worth.
Sadly... I think all too often we "think" that by rejecting others for their BEHAVIOURS... we are being Christian.
We have this NEED to "wash the blood from our hands".

I think this is the right way to deal with such issues.

If my daughter/son confronted me as a gramma and threatened me like these parents apparently did... I would choose to
hold my ground... and inform them that my beliefs as a Christian are as follows.... If you cannot accept that... then you will
have to decide if I am worthy of being in your child's life. Life demands difficult choices at times. Ultimatums are never a good
thing.

But in this passage you seem to contradict yourself. Also it looks like you would issues an ultimatum and then go on to say that ultimatums are never a good thing. so it seems a little confusing.

 

[Addy]

If my daughter/son confronted me as a gramma and threatened me like these parents apparently did... I would choose to
hold my ground... and inform them that my beliefs as a Christian are as follows.... If you cannot accept that... then you will
have to decide if I am worthy of being in your child's life. Life demands difficult choices at times. Ultimatums are never a good
thing.

I guess the point I was trying to make is I do not play intimidation games... I never have...

If someone says to me... YOU have to go along with this... or else... that is an ultimatum... It is also a situation where another person is FORCING me to express my opinions and beliefs. At that point... I would have to state how I felt.. .and what I believed. Therefore the decision of not seeing the grandchild is given back to the parents who TRIED to force a response. @Pearl

Sorry @Pearl ... I'm editing this and adding to it... I should have sorted out my thoughts better... Within the OP... I have perceived two problems/dilemmas.

The first being how to deal with the topic of transgender when it hits close to home...

But also... there is the issue of the parents "demanding" that the grandparents behave in a certain manner... This for me would be more problematic than having to deal with my grandchild.

 

[amigo de christo]

When writing to timothy paul made something very clear .
Do not be a partaker of other mens sins , keep thyself pure .
We must not partake in their sin by calling them by their identity gender . We must
not be a partaker in the sin that has driven them into total reprobation .

 

[Pearl]

But also... there is the issue of the parents "demanding" that the grandparents behave in a certain manner... This for me would be more problematic than having to deal with my grandchild.

If my daughter told me that my adult grandchild wanted to transition I would be appalled but keep it to myself, and although I would find it very difficult to call them by a new gender appropriate name I would do my best to comply. I don't think 'demanding' came into the OP but even if it did failure to comply with their wishes might be more a matter of pride.

 

[Pearl]

When writing to timothy paul made something very clear .
Do not be a partaker of other mens sins , keep thyself pure .
We must not partake in their sin by calling them by their identity gender . We must
not be a partaker in the sin that has driven them into total reprobation .

But we MUST love them. So how do you reconcile that?

 

[Addy]

If my daughter told me that my adult grandchild wanted to transition I would be appalled but keep it to myself, and although I would find it very difficult to call them by a new gender appropriate name I would do my best to comply. I don't think 'demanding' came into the OP but even if it did failure to comply with their wishes might be more a matter of pride.

HA @Pearl ... I had to re-check the original post... and here is what it said.

A grandson is being supported by his parents to “transition” to a girl. They say that if we don’t call him by his new female name, they’ll cut us out of their lives. We don’t know where this is coming from or what to do. How do we show them love without abandoning our Christian values?

Ok... so since we are answering this thread according to what WE would do individually... I am simply stating that I have a problem with anyone giving me an ultimatum.... and that fact alone is a serious problem for me. The parents are presenting the grandparents with a serious dilemma... and not giving them the opportunity or choice to work things out in their own time and way...thus I perceive this as "demanding". That is just me... I do not negotiate my beliefs and feelings... but... I will choose to try and respect all human beings.

I probably made this explanation even more hard to understand... Bottom line... I live and let live... but I do not negotiate with ultimatums. LOL

 

[Addy]

If my daughter told me that my adult grandchild wanted to transition I would be appalled but keep it to myself, and although I would find it very difficult to call them by a new gender appropriate name I would do my best to comply. I don't think 'demanding' came into the OP but even if it did failure to comply with their wishes might be more a matter of pride.

I did not address this post you made to me... I simply tried to clarify what I was saying and meaning.

I guess I am a strange bird... I mind my own business... and I don't tell others how to live. I try to respect all people... and I fail miserably at that often. I am unable to tolerate arrogance or rudeness from others... I have been this way all my life... I am 58 now... and I still lose my temper when someone comes at me with an "ATTITUDE".

With the above said... I am also fully aware of my own rights... I don't go shouting at everyone that I demand to be respected... I give respect and expect it back... if it is not given... I walk away.

My biggest problem with this whole topic is the fact that now in Canada... it is illegal NOT to address someone according to their preferred pronoun. The last time I checked... there were over 70+ ways a person can identify. This is insanity to me. I don't understand it and I do not desire to understand it. I will never address someone as anything other than male or female. I am not angry... I am not judging... I am simply stating... I will not comply. It took months of researching this topic to arrive to a solution that I could live with as a Christian.

I guess my refusal to comply to ultimatums could be viewed as having pride... but I am ok with that.

 

[Pearl]

HA @Pearl ... I had to re-check the original post... and here is what it said.

A grandson is being supported by his parents to “transition” to a girl. They say that if we don’t call him by his new female name, they’ll cut us out of their lives. We don’t know where this is coming from or what to do. How do we show them love without abandoning our Christian values?

Ok... so since we are answering this thread according to what WE would do individually... I am simply stating that I have a problem with anyone giving me an ultimatum.... and that fact alone is a serious problem for me. The parents are presenting the grandparents with a serious dilemma... and not giving them the opportunity or choice to work things out in their own time and way...thus I perceive this as "demanding". That is just me... I do not negotiate my beliefs and feelings... but... I will choose to try and respect all human beings.

I probably made this explanation even more hard to understand... Bottom line... I live and let live... but I do not negotiate with ultimatums. LOL

Maybe they were initially given a request and chose to dig their heels in and refuse to honour it. And then they don't want to lose face by giving in to the request so then their pride rears its ugly head.

Ultimatums are never a good idea, as then one side will have to back down before an issue can be resolved or else there is an ongoing unresolved issue which is bad for all concerned. Digging one's heels in is caused by pride or the fear of being wrong.