For free will believers out there

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Yes, Adam is not a God-man. He is a man. Jesus, is a man too like Adam, like any of His brethren in the flesh, like any of us for that matter. But He is the Word incarnate, the Word who was God. He came as a man and not as God. But that being the case, it does not mean He ceased to being God.

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I agreed with you until you said the Word is God. The Word is the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh(human). In the beginning the Word who is the Only Begotten Son of God was with the God.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The question is “To whom will God buy back?”

To be clear then, your answer is?

1- God
2- Satan
3 - ?

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If you had been reading my posts you wouldn't have to ask that question because I've already talked about that but obviously you haven't been reading my posts. So I don't think you really care.

 

[Tong2020]

First of all I've said this plenty of times that the Apostle John at 1John 4:9 called the person who became Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God before he became human. So the person who came to the world of mankind as a human was the Only Begotten Son of God while in heaven with his Father who is God before he came to the world of mankind as Jesus Christ. Jesus was in God's form in heaven before he came to the world of mankind. Stay alert this scripture doesn't say Jesus was God, it says he was in God's form. Philippians 2:5-7
Regardless of what any council or man has said about Jesus’ nature, the only reliable source of religious truth is the Bible. This Word reveals that Jesus is God’s Son and as such he was not and is not God. Jesus himself said: “I am God’s Son.” To Mary the angel Gabriel said: “What is born will be called holy, God’s Son.” Nothing is said of a God-man or a man-God. Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus called a “God-man” or “God incarnate.” Such assumptions are strictly human illusions tainted with paganism. John 10:36; Luke 1:34,35; 2:21
The scriptures show us at Revelation 3:14 that Jesus is referred to as the beginning of the creation by God. I have never believed God to be a part of creation but apart or separate of creation, yet not only is Jesus said to be the beginning of creation at Revelation 3:14 but at Colossians 1:15 he is said to be, "the firstborn of creation." Now why would Jesus be said to be, "the firstborn of creation," when such a phrase when used regarding animals or humans in the scriptures show what is said to be firstborn of, is part of that group. What I mean is when you say something like, "the firstborn of," Egypt, the scriptures are talking about people in that nation called Egypt. When the scriptures say, "the firstborn of," Israel, the scriptures are talking about people in the nation called Israel. So going by how the scriptures use the phrase, "the firstborn of," Jesus is a person who is a part of creation. As I said God isn't a part of creation, but the Only Begotten Son of God is.

A very long and complicated answer to a very simple question.

The question was WHO was Him who became flesh (man) in coming to the world, as the Messiah, the Savior of the world?

According to apostle John, He was the Word, who was God (John 1:1).

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[Wrangler]

God is the Father.
Jesus is the Son.

Genesis 1 says...>>"Let us make man in OUR Image".

If the plural 'our' is important in Genesis 1, the singular 'me' in the 1C is even more important.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes, Adam is not a God-man. He is a man. Jesus, is a man too like Adam, like any of His brethren in the flesh, like any of us for that matter. But He is the Word incarnate, the Word who was God. He came as a man and not as God. But that being the case, it does not mean He ceased to being God.

I agreed with you until you said the Word is God. The Word is the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh(human). In the beginning the Word who is the Only Begotten Son of God was with the God.

The Word was God (John 1:1).

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[Wrangler]

According to apostle John, He was the Word, who was God (John 1:1).

Not this crap again! Not relying again on a figurative sentence to over-ride a literal verse! Guess what? Words are not beings or people. God put his word in Jesus in fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:15-18. Indeed, these words were the Words of God. Like all prophets, the prophet Jesus spoke God's word. God, in his unitarian nature, sent Jesus. Jesus said so.

Jews: we have one Father: God.

Jesus: 42 I come from the one True God, and I’m not here on My own. He sent Me on a mission.
John 8:41-42 (VOICE)

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
The question is “To whom will God buy back?”

To be clear then, your answer is?

1- God
2- Satan
3 - ?

If you had been reading my posts you wouldn't have to ask that question because I've already talked about that but obviously you haven't been reading my posts. So I don't think you really care.

Oh I do care. That’s why I am for clarity. But it seems, a simple clarification for a question so simple as that, and could be clarified by a direct and simple answer, you repeatedly does not want to make clarification. Who now really do not care? I wonder why you don’t want to clarify. Do you want to not be correctly understood? Well,...don’t expect to be correctly understood.

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[Triumph1300]

Well,...don’t expect to be correctly understood.

That's simply because you are continuously incorrect.

 

[Wrangler]

The virgin birth is the fulfillment of an OT Prophesy, that stated how GOD would come to earth as a person.
Jesus is God, in the flesh., while Father God is "A" Spirit.

Nope. Why Isaiah 7:14 Is Not A Prophecy of Jesus’ Virgin Birth

 

[Wrangler]

What position of yours? And I know not having ignored anything in your post that I reply to.

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See post #579

 

[Wrangler]

Excuse me. I’d just like to ask.

Do you see that in Mark 14:62 as blasphemy? If so? Why?

No but the pharisee's did in answer to their question in v 61.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
According to apostle John, He was the Word, who was God (John 1:1).

Not this crap again! Not relying again on a figurative sentence to over-ride a literal verse! Guess what? Words are not beings or people. God put his word in Jesus in fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:15-18. Indeed, these words were the Words of God. Like all prophets, the prophet Jesus spoke God's word. God, in his unitarian nature, sent Jesus. Jesus said so.

Jews: we have one Father: God.

Jesus: 42 I come from the one True God, and I’m not here on My own. He sent Me on a mission.
John 8:41-42 (VOICE)

Crap? I would not dare say of scriptures as crap. God forgive. I hope that this isn’t blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

In the beginning was the Word. That isn’t figurative at all. The Word was with God. That isn’t figurative at all. The Word was God. That isn’t figurative either. John said all that in a single sentence.

<<<Words are not beings or people.>>>

That apparently has to do with language. But not according to Scriptures, that have to do with the things of the Spirit of God.

<<<God put his word in Jesus in fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:15-18.>>>

Yes. And yet, that is in the perspective of the Word in His incarnate state and that is, as man.

<<<Like all prophets, the prophet Jesus spoke God's word. >>>

Yes. But that does not take away the truth who He was prior to having become man ~ the Word.

He was very much different from all the other prophets. For no other prophet pre-existed such as Him. And no other prophet, who spoken God’s words, is the Word of God.

<<<God, in his unitarian nature, sent Jesus. Jesus said so.>>>

While God sent Jesus, let me ask you this:

Did the Holy Spirit send Jesus?

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[Wrangler]

Crap? I would not dare say of scriptures as crap

No. The Scripture is not crap. The crap is trinitarians desperately searching for unitarian Scripture to support their doctrine.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Well,...don’t expect to be correctly understood.

That's simply because you are continuously incorrect.

Perhaps. And not you and the others?

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[Wrangler]

And no other prophet, who spoken God’s words, is the Word of God.

Jesus is not the word of God. I guess you are so immersed in mysticism and duality you cannot see it. Hunter is the son of Joe Biden. This necessarily means Hunter is not Joe. No son is the father. A is A.

 

[Wrangler]

While God sent Jesus, let me ask you this:

Did the Holy Spirit send Jesus?

There is no being 'Holy Spirit.' Man has spirit. This does not make man 2 people. The text says God (in his unitarian nature) sent Jesus. The plain meaning from Jesus is that he is not God. Everyone understands this, except trinitarians.

 

[Wrangler]

In the beginning was the Word. That isn’t figurative at all.

LOL That's funny.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

A very long and complicated answer to a very simple question.

The question was WHO was Him who became flesh (man) in coming to the world, as the Messiah, the Savior of the world?

According to apostle John, He was the Word, who was God (John 1:1).[/Quote\]

No John doesn't contradict scripture, people do. God didn't inspire John to write The Word is God. God inspired John to write, "In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with The God and The Word was a god.
Now I know that you will disagree with this transition of John 1:1 and I'm not going to agree with your interpretation of John 1:1. Gods Holy Spirit inspired John to write that first part of John 1:1- "in the beginning was The Word and The Word was with The God." This first part of John 1:1 isn't to be contradicted by the last part of John 1:1. So as long as someone says last part of John 1:1 is to be translated, "The Word is God," they contradict the first part of John 1:1. Anyone who contradicts the first part of John 1:1 by their interpretation I'm not going to agree with their interpretation. Their interpretation contradicts the first part of John 1:1. Scripture doesn't do that imperfect humans do that by their interpretations.
The Only Begotten Son of God is The Word that was in the beginning with The God. Those who have no faith will not believe The Word is The Only Begotten Son of God that was with The Only True God in the beginning.
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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
What position of yours? And I know not having ignored anything in your post that I reply to.

See post #579

And that is not a even post addressed to me nor is it part of our conversation and exchanges. So what you accused me of ignoring the multiple verses you provided to support your position is shown to be false.

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[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The Word was God (John 1:1).[/Quote\]

You contradict scripture, and you deny it was the Only Begotten Son of God became human

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