Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

For you have lied before, by saying that you would give $1,000 and then $1,400, to anyone who refuted your contention scripturally where you teach that a man who continues to work iniquity will go to heaven. I refuted that contention scripturally and you did not pay up.


What a lie......everybody in here knows that this is not what my offer was about....Shame on you.....you keep sinking to new lows....again I say it—- Shame on you....

Wasn't your offer that you'd give $1000.00 to anyone who could show in the Bible that we repent from evil?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

A lot of people , who are religious, and believe that they have more power to stop their salvation, then Jesus's Blood has the eternal power to maintain it......people like you..... are not going to be able to understand Grace.
See, self righteousness blinds you to Truth.
You prove this with every post.

You still haven't shown us in the Bible where believing is a self righteous act of the works gospel. I've shown you where it says it is not. And that we are to continue to do that believing, or else we're not saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Yes, what you have heard from the beginning...remain in you.

When you were in your beginning stage...
And you first heard about God...Did you say, oh...I believe?

A beginning stage is an introduction.
We mimic...Open a book, first page, "INTRODUCTION", brief on what to expect to learn more about. And with diligence of Learning ABOUT, gaining Knowledge...
Your mind is...oh interesting, uh dumb, oh nice, uh doubt it, humm maybe, uh deny...
Keep learning...
Or
Close the book and stop listening.

That occurs for every new topic, including learning ABOUT God.
The Disciples, listened, heard, believed, doubted, followed, wondered, denied, listened some more, and more, and believed, and confessed belief....
Except for Judas....Judas is likened to closing his ears, shutting the book, had enough, rejected....and so also did people in the crowds as Jesus preached....
THEY got the introduction...that sparked their interest.
THEY heard a bit....heard something their MIND could not believe....and QUIT....being ignorant...that it was NOT THEIR LOGICAL CARNAL MIND that was being preached to....
BUT Rather their heart and soul.

The Disciples...primary teachers after Jesus...
Think about it....Disciples 3 years DAILY with Jesus...(Compare to men today, maybe 1 hour a week)...

Not doubting the great amount of time the Disciples spent with Jesus, Heard from Jesus, Learned from Jesus.....really so much, it could not all be written.

Now these men, go out preaching, spreading the Word of God....traveling, (some writing letters).... but think about it...
The LISTENERS (crowds)... Really HOW MUCH DID "THEY" hear?
A couple of hours?
A couple of times?
All new information they had not before heard?

Pretty overwhelming. Men they do not know, come to their town, Speak things, about a man they do not know, Speaking of His perfection, His miracles, His promises....
Pretty wild.

Yes...every encounter, visit, letter, the TEACHERS, IN Christ, absolutely reminded, to KEEP all things they DID Learn, IN rememberence, hold on to it, AND teach others to do the same.
Just as us...Remember the OT men, their doings, without knowing all details, like is afforded us now...

And TODAY, men all talking about the ENDING of days....but pretty much ignoring, the ORDER and WAY of the beginning, that brought us to our generation.

Encouraging men who ONLY heard the "introduction"...and walked away in disbelief...
OPEN the book, with patience, follow the order and way, for YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE, not just skip to end, and expect to understand.

Glory to God,
Taken

John is talking to believers. He pointed that out himself right there in the passage. That's why I posted a large portion of the context so you'd see that he's telling bona-fide, Spirit filled, anointed children of God to let the word of God remain in them so Jesus and the Father will remain in them (1 John 2:24). That makes it so 1 John 2:19 just before that can't mean what osas says it means. But what does it matter? The important thing is we do what John says for us believers to do........keep believing. That's the important thing.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

What i teach is that if you are born on earth, of your mother, then your "believing" or not, can't change being born.
So, its a foolish fool, a religious fool, who will not also believe that being born again, this BIRTH, can't be changed or removed, or undone, by behavior or thinking.

Don't you know that once saved always saved doctrine says if you don't continue to believe you were never really saved to begin with?

 

[justbyfaith]

For you have lied before, by saying that you would give $1,000 and then $1,400, to anyone who refuted your contention scripturally where you teach that a man who continues to work iniquity will go to heaven. I refuted that contention scripturally and you did not pay up.


What a lie......everybody in here knows that this is not what my offer was about....Shame on you.....you keep sinking to new lows....again I say it—- Shame on you....

You have stated that you would give $1,000, and then later stated you would give an additional $1,400, to anyone who can show in the Bible that repenting from sins is required for salvation.

Which indicates that your position is that repenting from sins is not required for salvation.

Well, that implies that a man can continue to work iniquity and still go to heaven.

So, how is it a lie?

That was me speaking in tongues....almost as laughable as the phony example of speaking in tongues that you posted a few weeks ago .....your Debasement knows no limits....

1) it was not phony; and,

2) it was a quite a few months ago.

But I'm sure that your statement will give plenty of false comfort to @HisLife.

 

[Taken]

John is talking to believers. He pointed that out himself right there in the passage. That's why I posted a large portion of the context so you'd see that he's telling bona-fide, Spirit filled, anointed children of God to let the word of God remain in them so Jesus and the Father will remain in them (1 John 2:24). That makes it so 1 John 2:19 just before that can't mean what osas says it means. But what does it matter? The important thing is we do what John says for us believers to do........keep believing. That's the important thing.

John was a Converted men.
John (like the other Disciples) spoke to Non-Believers, Believers, Converted men.

Same as any Pastor, in a Church.
No one stands at the door, or at the edge of a crowd and takes a poll of who believes, who doesn't, who is converted.

Non believers are encouraged to LISTEN, and Keep listening.
Believers are encouraged to remember what they heard, and continue to Listen, SO THEY DO NOT FALL FROM FAITH and LOSE their SALVATION.
The Converted are reminded THEY ARE Save, ARE Qickened, and KEPT by the POWER of God.

When you read SCRIPTURE, you are gaining KNOWLEDGE. It is God Himself that GIVES A CONVERTED man the Understanding of "HIS" Knowledge.

I AM, (God) and I (me) am NOT the "SAME" as every man in Scripture.
I am not a Hebrew, Jew, Israel, Under the Law.
I am not a Jew or Israel, who accepted Christ Jesus, and was released from the consequences of the Law.
I am not a Jew or Israel, who rejected Christ Jesus...rejected their own Law...or continued to follow their Laws.
I am a gentile, who was Offered Gods Mercy of Forgiveness and Gods Grace to become "MADE" WHOLE.
I accepted Gods OFFERING through Christ.
And WHAT IS ACCEPTED ... was MY ACCEPTING "ONE TIME" (ONCE).
And What the Lord GOD OFFERED, He gave to ME "ONCE".
And What the Lord God GAVE TO ME...WAS "HIMSELF" and "HIS GIFTS".
And What the Lord God GAVE TO ME...WAS WITH HIS PROMISE...was FOR EVER.

Now IF YOU are a non-believer...I would encourage you to hear, listen, learn

IF YOU are a believer....I would encourage you to CONTINUE hearing, listening, learning,
BE Cautious TO NOT be TRICKED into FOLLOWING Preachers whose WORD CAN NOT BE VERIFIED IN SCRIPTURE WITH GODS WORD....
CONTINUE IN the Lord GODS WORD...
until YOU ARE "ASSURED" in your natural spirit in your heart....YOU are prepared:
TO Call on the Lord and MAKE (with your word) a Confession of Heartful BELIEF, IN Jesus is the Christ, and the Heavingly God who Sent Him.
IF YOU DO THAT ^ ....
TRUST HE IS FAITHFUL and WILL KEEP YOU 'UNTO" HIM FOR EVER.

You argue AS IF, you are a "believer", but not Converted.
IF you be ARE a "BELIEVER", but not Converted...
Then ... absolutely, all the warnings, and cautions about Losing your Salvation "applies" TO YOU...take heed.

IF one DOES NOT BECOME CONVERTED and TAKE his OFFERED SALVATION...
Absolutely, at any moment, he could physically die....and ALL HOPE of receiving his Salvation and Quickening is LOST.

No need for you to attempt to teach me BELIEVING MEN can LOSE their Salvation, I have already covered "that fact", extensively.

And also have covered extensively and "precisely'....
Converted men WHO HAVE RECEIVED their Salvation and Quickening .... SHALL NEVER LOSE their SALVATION or QUICKENING.

If you are confused about the difference between BELIEVING and CONFESSED BELIEF...you will have to work that out.
I can not UNDERSTAND 'FOR YOU".

If you are confused about the difference between BEING OFFERED something expressly FOR YOU and ACCEPTING the OFFER...you will have to work that out.
I can not UNDERSTAND "FOR YOU".

I am Converted....I am KEPT forever, BY the POWER of my Lord God.

YOU WILL NEVER Convince me, MY Lord God, is UNFAITHIFUL, breaks His PROMISES, would take His Gifts from me, or that He would EVER leave me.

Do not be troubled by what I HAVE.
Do not dictate I must be cautioned about losing what I have RECEIVED.
My Lord God, shall NEVER forsake what He has given men.
My Lord God, shall NEVER Leave me.

Heb 13:
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

[justbyfaith]

What else in scripture can be described as “exaggeration”?

John 8:11
...And Jesus said, ...Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Is this what you think God does? Exaggerate and use “hyperbole”?

No:

Psalm 33:4
For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth.

None are exaggerated or hyperbole.

Many haven’t even BEGUN to be sanctified! This is because they have corrupted the very thing that sanctifies! THE WORD!

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Be careful in the path you are taking.

@Michiah-Imla,

I think that you have missed my point entirely.

Maybe you should go back and read my post again.

Once Saved Always Saved

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I think that you have missed my point entirely.

I saw that post; However, your use of the word “exaggeration” seems to imply that no born again really commits no sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If that's what you want to believe, nothing I can do about it!

Several of us have shown you that osas in not true!

You can argue against plain scripture if you like, won't change anything!

You have not shown anything, but your pride.

severl of us have shown you how you NOSAS proves your true lack of faith in God,

but like you say, if you do not want to see it no one can help you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is Him keeping, and it is us doing (Philippians 2:13).



He works in us both to will and to do according to His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). So it is God doing the saving. Of course we are to cooperate; with the obedience of faith (Romans 16:26).



Job 9:21, Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

Isa 42:19, Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?

Jhn 9:41, Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.



This means if we claim that we do not have a sinful nature in our flesh. Obviously, the person who is born of God has stopped sinning (1 John 3:9).



So, if you commit sin "just this one time" it doesn't matter; because it wasn't practicing it.

See how the devil can use such a thing in your life to keep you in bondage to sin.



No, because God is the one who keeps us persevering, if we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

See 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17. Eternal security is a doctrine therein.



And yet, you responded.



Thank you for agreeing with me.



Says the holy scriptures that I quoted after posting that.



I will.



Then how does it save (Mark 16:16, Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39)?



No, it is not attributed to some man; it is attributed to the operation of God (Colossians 2:12).

It doesn't matter who the man is who does the baptizing. What matters is that you get it done in Jesus' Name.



I believe in a God who is Omnipotent and sovereign and loving; who will not allow His unadulterated message to be lost to the people. And I believe that He preserved His unadulterated message in the kjv; which faith is the evidence of what is not seen by you.

The educated scribes and Pharisees rejected Jesus; while the common people heard Him gladly.

In the same way, those who seek to be educated in the Greek and Hebrew languages and seek to be their own translators out of another language are in danger of rejecting Jesus and the truth of His word.

I believe that the Lord gave us His unadulterated word in the kjv...other translations tend to be watered down but they still have value. Some are perversions of the original text (such as the NeWT). But the kjv is the reality of God's message to us in the English language. The devil created some of his own situations so he could claim that the errors in those versions also hold true of the kjv. And he also watered down those texts so that at the very best, the Christian who reads such translations will be stunted in their growth. And at worst, they will not be saved in the final exclamation. But Jesus said that the way to life is narrow and few there be that find it.

In our English language, the kjv has the narrow truth that will save the man who adheres to it.

1. anytime you use the word us or I, you are professing your works, not gods work
2. The English language is flawed. Even the KJV, if you want to be misled because you are stuck with some Bible and unwilling to go deeper. That’s on you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No - I was pointong to your anti-Cathollic hypocrisy that we Catholics are stupid and cluless when it comes to Scripture.
HOWEVER, when we soundly defeat you in a debate - all of a sudden, we're "Arrogant".

Not ONLY did I address your points - I used Scripture to prove you WRONG.
Deal with it . . .

You did not defeat anyone

to think you did proves your arrogance,

you did not prove me wrong in anything. But if you think you did and that makes you feel good. Then keep believing it

ps. I have no anti Catholic bias,some of my best friends are Catholic

one thing they do not have is your arrogance,, your in a class of your own

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did you know osas also teaches that one must endure to the end or else they were never saved to begin with?

Osas does Not Teach one must endure to the End in anyform

before you start mocking a faith you should try to understand what they teach,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.c 21I have not written to you because you lack knowledge of the truth, but because you have it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.28And now, little children, remain in Christ,d so that when He appears, we may be confident and unashamed before Him at His coming. 1 John 2:19-28
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You can easily see how vs. 24 makes it so that vs. 19 can't mean what osas says it means. But who cares. The important thing is that you do what John says in vs. 24 and 28. That's what matters and is made crystal clear to us in the scriptures—keep believing. Who cares why and how and if the believer can stop believing. The answer to those questions does not change the fact that we are told to continue to believe to the very end. The important thing is to do what the Bible says to do—keep believing. That's not in dispute. In fact both osas and anti-osas agree that you must continue to believe to the very end to be saved when Jesus comes back.​

So I asked you to show me what they said and you quote John?

please man. If you can’t back up you or statment at least admit you were wrong

 

[Charlie24]

You have not shown anything, but your pride.

severl of us have shown you how you NOSAS proves your true lack of faith in God,

but like you say, if you do not want to see it no one can help you

The condition is maintained faith! Tired of arguing this!

 

[Taken]

John is talking to believers. He pointed that out himself right there in the passage. That's why I posted a large portion of the context so you'd see that he's telling bona-fide, Spirit filled, anointed children of God to let the word of God remain in them so Jesus and the Father will remain in them (1 John 2:24). That makes it so 1 John 2:19 just before that can't mean what osas says it means. But what does it matter? The important thing is we do what John says for us believers to do........keep believing. That's the important thing.

Read 1 John from the beginning of the chapter....
He IS Speaking to ... Believers and Converted.
He IS telling them, reminding them of TWO BASIC thing...
1) One ... what gifts (some) HAVE been Given are forever.
2) All around them ARE deceiviers, who WILL try to persuade them, belittle them, be against them.

It is in a nutshell, it is Jesus' teaching...
IF you become Converted, you will be Hated.

Also, to not forget....the Carnal Mind is still Carnal. God does not change, make anew the mans MIND.

People have for their whole existence USED their MIND, to think, decide, act...and NOW, they are being TAUGHT....to use their "spirit" in their Heart to think, decide, act....regardless of what their mind thinks...
Regardless of what MEN try to convince your MIND to believe, think, do, act.

It is no different than teaching any NEW Convert..."stop feeling guilty" about what your carnal mind conjours up, thinks....
REMEMBER....you have the POWER WITHIN you...Gods SPIRIT of TRUTH, in your new spirit...to MAKE your minds thoughts YEILD to your hearts thoughts.

Maybe you require no reminding...but most people as I said, have a long history of relying on the logical thoughts of their mind, for all things....and Spiritually marking ones mind subservant to a newly acquired spirit...that is in opposition to your mind...
Is A TASK first learned, and then practiced...
More practice...becomes more habit....
In process of the mans effort of MAKING his own MIND....to become the man having...
A MIND, in the Likeness as Christ.

You probably have encountered men who claim they are Converted....then see something they do or hear them....and think,
"They don't Act like a Converted men"....
That's true....you can tell when a person is speaking, doing, from the spirit in their heart, or according to their Mind.
They are still practicing, making their MIND subservient to their spirit in their heart.

Does that...cause them to lose their Salvation, Quickening?

NO....but it may cause them to lose some Rewards.

 

[justbyfaith]

1. anytime you use the word us or I, you are professing your works, not gods work

At what point in the post that you were responding to, did I use the word "us" or "I"?

2. The English language is flawed. Even the KJV, if you want to be misled because you are stuck with some Bible and unwilling to go deeper. That’s on you

The English language is a pure language (Zephaniah 3:9).

And even if it weren't, the Holy Ghost is able to make up for flaws in translation if you rely on Him to tell you what He means by what He wrote.

Knowing the author of a book personally might give someone an advantage if there is a dispute about what the author meant by what he wrote. The person who knows the author can simply ask the author what he meant as concerning any statement written by him.

This is also how I know that the kjv is the closest we have to God's unadulterated message to us in the English language.

Osas does Not Teach one must endure to the End in anyform

Then it doesn't teach the biblical doctrine that we find in Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.

 

[Taken]

The condition is maintained faith! Tired of arguing this!

Just to note.
FAITH is a Gift from GOD.
It is given a man in "measures".
Men can NOT KEEP their FAITH.
Faith can ONLY be Kept IN a man, by the Power of God.

Men can Simply ... Continue receiving Faith...BY NOT REJECTING GOD.

Man who REJECTS God....GOD STOPS giving the man FAITH.

Man who ACCRPTS GOD, BY CONFESSION...
God FILLS the man with FAITH...whereby the man CAN NEVER reject God....and that FAITH is Kept within the man FOREVER, by the Power of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Charlie24]

Just to note.
FAITH is a Gift from GOD.
It is given a man in "measures".
Men can NOT KEEP their FAITH.
Faith can ONLY be Kept IN a man, by the Power of God.

Men can Simply ... Continue receiving Faith...BY NOT REJECTING GOD.

Man who REJECTS God....GOD STOPS giving the man FAITH.

Man who ACCRPTS GOD, BY CONFESSION...
God FILLS the man with FAITH...whereby the man CAN NEVER reject God....and that FAITH is Kept within the man FOREVER, by the Power of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

WOW, your conception if God is foreign to scripture my friend!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, they are saying this. They say that Christ died for ALL their sins including the sin of deciding to go back to unbelief in a willful decision to reject Christ.

Please show me where they sad this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is the scriptural exhortation to us to persevere.....

11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised. Hebrews 6:11-12
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It is through faith and patience (the perseverance of faith) that we gain the inheritance. I don't believe for a second this means "me saving myself". Having faith is not you saving yourself. Paul says having faith is the exact opposite of working to save oneself. Believing God is not a work of the works gospel.

Faith is based on patience, and humility

Its not persevering.
It’s us being patient to let God complete his work in us, and not trying to do it ourselves
It is entering his rest