Once Saved Always Saved

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus, when talking to Nicodemus.... is making the simple and obvious distinction between being born, and being born again.
You can't understand this simple distinction, because your cult has trained you to be spiritually blind.
See, this explains why you worship mary, and consider a religious man to be "father", when the NT says to "call no one on earth father".
And this blindness that your cult has trained you to be, explains why you believe the lie that Mary flew to heaven, and is a "perpetual virgin".
Your cult has so trained you to accept lies in place of truth, that truth to you, seems like a lie.
That's what you've become, einstein.

And the reason YOU can't stick to the topic is desperation at have LOST the argument.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're both, as you said.
WE agree.

Yup - I'm "arrogant" when I defeat your arguments with Scripture.

Thanks for admitting that . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You did not defeat anyone
to think you did proves your arrogance,
you did not prove me wrong in anything. But if you think you did and that makes you feel good. Then keep believing it

ps. I have no anti Catholic bias,some of my best friends are Catholic
one thing they do not have is your arrogance,, your in a class of your own

Correct.
SCRIPTURE defeated you argument.

However, don't say that you don't have any anti-Catholic bias when it drips from everything you post.

 

[justbyfaith]

.the Bible says “ repent” many times....it just does NOT say , in regard to getting Salvation——” Repent Of your sins” to get Saved....it does not even HINT at that...

Sure it does...in Ezekiel 33:19 and its context in Ezekiel 33:11-20...

But I will quote for you here the short version.

Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

The question I will ask is, What does it mean to repent of sin?

Does it not mean that the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right?

If the man who turns from his wickedness will live because of it, does that not mean that he repented of his sins and was saved?

@Blood Bought 1953, I think that you owe me $2,400!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Osas does Not Teach one must endure to the End in anyform

before you start mocking a faith you should try to understand what they teach,

I don't know if I totally understand the OSAS doctrine, but I have tasted different flavors over the years. Perhaps you both are talking about a different flavor?

 

[HisLife]

1) it was not phony; and,

2) it was a quite a few months ago.

But I'm sure that your statement will give plenty of false comfort to @HisLife.

It was phony talking... but it was real in the sense it was devils coming out, remember it contradicted scripture and you blamed the Holy spirit for your error, It was probably your meds, But it wasn't The holly Spirit that much is fact

 

[CadyandZoe]

The question I will ask is, What does it mean to repent of sin?

The Bible knows two kinds of sinners: 1) those who keep the Mosaic Law and 2) those who don't. Paul works with this distinction in his epistle to the Galatians (see Galatians 2:15-17) Jewish people living in the land, who didn't practice Judaism for whatever reason were called the "hamartōloi" (the sinners)

During the time of the New Testament, it was a term employed to describe individuals of bad character who were not actively participating in the religious practices of Judaism, i.e. backsliders or tax collectors. By extension, it was also employed to indicate a Gentile, whether that particular gentile was of good character or not. The point was, whoever wasn't practicing Judaism was a sinner.

This helps us understand the Ezekiel passage, which speaks about those who were turning from wickedness to do that which was lawful and right. It isn't as if they were free of sin, or didn't commit a sin now and again. After all, the law makes allowances for the expiation of transgressions. Rather, this passage indicates backsliders who have repented and decided to serve and obey God again. The point is, those who backslide are not lost but are allowed to return if they choose.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Great!!! I can't lose! I can never be lost according to you! I'm at least as well off as OSASers!

Nope

because until haveto come in faith, if you do not your not saved

Or OSASers TWIST Scripture.

He said YOU? Where?

But I LOVE responding to OSAS. It leads people to Hell fire!

sadly, as they pass you on their way to heaven, you will have no hope because you trusted self and denied the power of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus was including those He was talking to in the tribulation?

No

he was talking about all who live in that time.

please read the passage and remove your blinders

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not true.

If you trusted God you would trust he did change you and has the power to keep you,

the fact you don’t prove I was right

If OSAS is true I NOTHING to worry about! I have believed in Jesus and the Bible for many years!

OSAS does Not teach mere belief saves. So you would Not be saved

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope, I believe Jesus.
2 Peter 1:10-11 (NKJV)
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

John 6, never hunger never thirst never die, live forever and be risen

don’t post any more out of context passages until you respond to how,Jesus lied in John 6

What if you're wrong?

What if you are?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If OSAS is right I'll be fine! If OSAS is from Satan will you be fine?

Once again your wrong

osas does not teach what you believe

keep being blind to what we believe that’s on you not me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The condition is maintained faith! Tired of arguing this!

If you lose faith you never had it to begin with

and if you lose faith god is unfaithful,

i am tired of proving this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

At what point in the post that you were responding to, did I use the word "us" or "I"?



The English language is a pure language (Zephaniah 3:9).

And even if it weren't, the Holy Ghost is able to make up for flaws in translation if you rely on Him to tell you what He means by what He wrote.

Knowing the author of a book personally might give someone an advantage if there is a dispute about what the author meant by what he wrote. The person who knows the author can simply ask the author what he meant as concerning any statement written by him.

This is also how I know that the kjv is the closest we have to God's unadulterated message to us in the English language.



Then it doesn't teach the biblical doctrine that we find in Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.

Your whole gospel is based on I

you know nothing about English if you think it’s a pure language, and you just proved there is no need to continue with you. If you think this you will believe amything

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not mocking it. I'm telling you what osas teaches. It says if you stop believing you were never really saved to begin with. I thought everyone knew this.

Perseverance of the saints is a Christian teaching that asserts that once a person is truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they will continue doing good works and believing in God until the end of their life.

Perseverance of the saints - Wikipedia​

No it does not teach that

OSAS teaches we will never stop trusting god because god is faithful

learn the difference between mere belief and faith.

and stop lieing about my faith, I do not appreciate when people falsly accuse us of things

 

[Taken]

You asked me where the Bible tells converted believers to keep on believing. I'm just answering your question. This is one place. You're free to take it or leave it....

All okay with me, we understand differently.

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[Eternally Grateful]

If you click through all the links of this particular part of our conversation you'll see you asked me where John said to keep believing.

No, I asked you to show me where those people said what you said

John said those who become antichrist have never been of us

an antichrist is one who denies Christ, by defenition he is a non believer, by defenition, it means they NEVER BELIEVED

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct.
SCRIPTURE defeated you argument.

However, don't say that you don't have any anti-Catholic bias when it drips from everything you post.

Good day sir

I am done talking with you, you have absolutely nothing to offer me.

 

[Taken]

John is talking to children of God who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. That's a saved person. And he tells them that if they let the word remain in them they will remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life (not rewards).

As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

This makes it so osas can't say that vs. 19 just before this means what it means. But that doesn't matter. What we can take away from this with complete confidence is John's admonition to let the word of God remain in us. That's what is important. That is what matters. Solving the osas mystery is not important. Let's do what the Bible plainly tells us to do. That's what counts.

I understand this is a letter, and they have been doing best they can, learning something new and with little teaching, and no book of Scriptures to rely on.
I am aware of my own in depth studies, and understand this primary teaching to those hearing for the first time, and new Converts is basic information and reminders and expectations.
Should you deep study you may come to a better understanding, the Lord Does NOT backslide on his Promises, that IF a man does THIS, the Lord SHALL do THAT.
There is Clearly only ONE WAY to receive Salvation and Quickening, and there after Once Received, NOTHING can Separate that man from the Lord God.

 

[Taken]

... NEVER BELIEVED

Have you ever researched Pastors, hefty congregation, years service....come out and admit...they never Believed?
Preaching, "pseudo praying", baptizing, mingling, carrying the esteemed clout;
then drop that bombshell....it was just a job, way to make a living, easy to get a degree, what the heck...

Astounding!