Once Saved Always Saved

[kcnalp]

Fear God.

Feel better now?

Yes, I fear God. Do you?

Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Yes that's written to Christians. No OSAS in the Bible!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. 1 John 2:24​

Let's not be like those who left. Keep believing.

Actually he is saying u like those who left. Let that which you HEARD remain in you

he never said they accepted it in faith,

like all churches and like all epistles, we do not assume everyone reading or attending our church is saved, you always assume someone might be there who has not come to faith yet. So you warn them. Make their calling sure.

I know I do that when I preach. We never assume anything g

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Actually - that's NOT true.
One of the most frequent debates I get tinto with Protestants and anti-Catholics here is the idiotic idea that the Church is "invisible".

Since YOU reject the Catholic Church - where was the Church for the first 1500 years??
Every anti-Cathlic I talk to says that it was a "Hidden remnant" of true believers - and are NEVER able to provide evidence for that.

What say YOU??

Every time you stare into the face of a believer, in the grocery store, in the office, in morning traffic, you're staring into the face of the church. The people you've talked to are obviously talking about individual believers not being visibly identifiable in an official, organized religious organization. You can't post a group picture of everyone who attends a church and call that the church. The true church of God is not visible that way. Don't argue with us, we don't believe the Catholic church is the visible embodiment of the true church of God. You've stated what you believe so move on. Stop talking down to us and shaming us. Even if you are here for evangelistic purposes your style of shaming and condescension and insult is not going to produce any fruit here.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What I'm telling you is that osas is a teaching from a few centuries ago.

Yeah you keep telling me that, yet with no proof. So what you are doing is arguing what you heard or were told and not what people actually believe.

it’s like the old calvin vs arminian debate. Anyone who believes In eternal security must be calvins, anyone who does not must be arminian (or Catholic)

so what we do is argue against two belief system never fully understanding what anyone believes.

eternal security was taught by Paul and Jesus its not something that just appeared a few hundred years ago.

What you or anyone else has done with it is one thing, but osas is what the person who wrote the book on it 500 years ago says it is.

You what’s funny, I just looked up OSAS and calvin, and you know what I found? Anti calvinist rant on how calvin got osas wrong.. not one things from hm, can you share that book you are talking about? Because I cant find it, if you can share it and I see him write the word or term osas, then I will ask your forgiveness

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I'm not.
I'm simply outting the truth out there - and stamping oiut YOUR lies so that those reading the posts won't be seduced by them.

You're wasting your time here. And you're harming yourself spiritually in your relationship with God by abusing us as you have been.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Every time you stare into the face of a believer, in the grocery store, in the office, in morning traffic, you're staring into the face of the church. The people you've talked to are obviously talking about individual believers not being visibly identifiable in an official, organized religious organization. You can't post a group picture of everyone who attends a church and call that the church. The true church of God is not visible that way. Don't argue with us, we don't believe the Catholic church is the visible embodiment of the true church of God. You've stated what you believe so move on. Stop talking down to us and shaming us. Even if you are here for evangelistic purposes your style of shaming and condescension and insult is not going to produce any fruit here.

As I have stated to you - ad nauseam - I'm NOT here to "argue" with you.
I'm here to expose your lies about the Catholic Church. When you're NOT lying about the Catholic Church - I couldn't care less.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually it was osas. He said true believers can not stop believing, always persevering in the faith. And those who don't persevere show themselves to have never really been saved to begin with. That's the official osas teaching that Calvin taught the church. What others have done with it is what it is, but osas is defined by the author of it, Calvin.

Again, I want to see John Calvin use the word osas.

can you please show me?

calvin taught irresistible grace and double predestination, apart fro. Free will.he taught that we could never come to faith anyway, it is of god, so if we could not come to it, we will never leave it.

I know of very few people who hold to this doctrine personally, although. Am sure there are thousands, but I know many thousands of people who hold to eternal security in my 40 years of Christianity all over the US who believe in free will and eternal security (osas)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John thinks so......

As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24​

'Let'. That's YOU allowing the word to remain in you, and if YOU do that you will remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life. But as I say, the important thing is that the word remain in us, not if it's possible for that not to happen in the true believer.


Are you afraid that a works gospel? If you think so, we can visit Paul's discourse about faith vs. works in Romans 3 and 4 to dispel that myth.

What you heard.

please learn the difference

no one has ever been saved because they HEARD they truth.

 

[kcnalp]

Your words are attributed to you.

Don't edit out my intention. That's not very Christian. Oh that's right, you never sin, right?
"So you're saying John wasn't a Christian?

1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV)
8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness."

Thanks for making yourself clear by posting a Verse that Applies to you.

Excuse me, but it was YOU who said you never sin. Not me.

You should pay attention to the caveat
"IF" given in Scripture.
You should pay attention to the knowledge
"He IS FAITHFUL and JUST".
"FORGIVE cleanse from ALL unrightousness."

Don't be discouraged...

Maybe you can seek the help of a teacher that can teach you the meaning of "IF" and "ALL", and continue reading Scripture that teaches the "KNOWLEDGE"....

2 Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given... for instruction in righteousness:

Keep trying...

OSASers cannot resist judging Non OSASers as unsaved! You've judged me as unsaved with ZERO proof. Payday is coming.

Matthew 7:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're wasting your time here. And you're harming yourself spiritually in your relationship with God by abusing us as you have been.

Liars who get exposed are ALWAYS the first ones to object to getting caught.
It's the classic "hand in the cookie jar" scenario.

So YOUR bad behavior isn't going to harm MY relationship with God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So you have the power to turn and reject what god started, to overcome God and walk away because he is not faithful.

I do not think you understand what your saying my friend,

In myself I do not possess the power and the ability to believe what I can not see. Only by the power of God's gracious gift of faith can I 'see' the truth of the gospel and decide to put my trust in it. That's why if I reject that power and let the word of faith slip from my heart I am will not be persevering in the believing that the Bible plainly says I must be persevering in to be a member of God's household in salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, that's not it. No one can trust God except by the supernatural power of faith he gives a person to trust him. That's why there's no boast of self righteous work in trusting God for the forgiveness of sin. The condition is not on having your own power to trust God. It's conditioned on you having and keeping God's power to trust His word.

So God gives us faith by his power. But we can overpower him and reject of our own power

again, do you listen to yourself?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Liars who get exposed are ALWAYS the first ones to object to getting caught.
It's the classic "hand in the cookie jar" scenario.

So YOUR bad behavior isn't going to harm MY relationship with God.

If you only knew the truth about what's going on here. But you're Catholic. That's why you can't see that how you behave is what counts, not how you do church and formulate complicated doctrines.

 

[kcnalp]

For we have not been given the spirit of fear but of a sound mind

for we were not given a spirit of fear, but a spirit of adoption whereby we cry out Abba Father.

Jesus said, come to me and I will give you rest,

You fear God because you are forced to, because if you do not measure up in your gospel. You will be left out. yes we should look to God with awe, and wonders and respect him as God. But the only people who truly need to fear God are those who are not his children.

your gospel is self righteousness, if I was you I would fear God, because my eternity depends on it, however, your fear will not help you if you do not become poor in spirit,

Written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

No OSAS!

 

[kcnalp]

Yeah, and you have done nothing but judge osas since I first met you

practice what you preach h man,

I was judging the OSAS doctrine, not you.

face reality,

Reality is, I am a Bible believing Christian and OSASers say I'm not.

there is only one gospel. So one of us is not saved, because we have totally different gospels.

There you go judging again. Judging others is quite OSAS!

second,if your gonna judge osas, for heavens sake, understand what it teaches. We do not believe or teach what you insist we do.

judge not lest ye be judged? Look in the mirror, read that back to yourself, and remember it next time you wish to falsly judge people who believe in eternal security with the false truths you keep judging us on,

"I was judging the OSAS doctrine, not you." You are judging me. You're doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So God gives us faith by his power. But we can overpower him and reject of our own power

again, do you listen to yourself?

You are free to receive the gift of faith, and you are free to reject it. But if you reject it you will not be in the household of God's people, because the Bible says the people of God's household persevere in faith, holding firmly to their confidence in the gospel.....

Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory. Hebrews 3:6

We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. Hebrews 3:14
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This has nothing to do with having the power to command salvation one way or the other. It has everything to do with if you're going to be saved and persevere in God's power to trust him to the very end.

 

[kcnalp]

Who said I declaired you unsaved.

I just stated a fact concern what you said to me,

why are you being so defensive? You think it is ok if you judge my belief but I have no right to judge yours?

Now your being a hypocrite

So now you're admitting I'm a Christian? Make up your mind. OSASers here have indeed declared me as unsaved. If you deny that you're not being honest!

 

[kcnalp]

Smh, whatever dude

continue to judge my faith I will continue to judge your judgment of my faith,

you don’t like it, stop it,

I would actually be happy if OSAS is true, but it's not.

Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

 

[kcnalp]

You are a self admitted servant of sin (as are many people running around claiming they know God):

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And they don’t seem to realize who they really are of:

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

Because:

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin

So if you want to be saved you better search the scriptures and see how to be truly born again! Because:

John 3:3
...Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Now don’t go exercising your scripture perverting skills you were taught and do this rather:

2 Kings 22:13
Go ye, enquire of the Lord for me, and for the people... concerning the words of this book: for great is the wrath of the Lord that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us.

So you're saying John wasn't a Christian? John included himself:

1 John 1:8-9 (NKJV)
8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US. 9 If WE confess OUR sins, He is faithful and just to forgive US OUR sins and to cleanse US from all unrighteousness.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you only knew the truth about what's going on here. But you're Catholic. That's why you can't see that how you behave is what counts, not how you do church and formulate complicated doctrines.

I've been here a LOT longer than you - so I am well-aware of the nonsense that goes on here.
You're just another in a long line of debunked anti-Catholics . . .