Questions For A Catholic

[Selene]

I guess it is normal for you.

And I guess it is normal for you to have the remains of dead humans and animals in your museums.

 

[Anastacia]

Skeletons presented as "Holy bones". The Pope call his faithful to adore them.

Not so lucky holy bones, not yet dressed up with gold and silver linen. "Holy relics" of Saint Anthony of Padua.

A Catholic mass is offered, with a corpse of a dead Pope inside the altar.

 

[Selene]

Skeletons presented as "Holy bones". The Pope call his faithful to adore them.

Really? I don't see any quotes from the Pope?

Not so lucky holy bones, not yet dressed up with gold and silver linen. "Holy relics" of Saint Anthony of Padua.

Would you prefer to see the bones naked? "Not so lucky holy bones...???." Your disdain for someone's love one who passed away is very revealing.

A Catholic mass is offered, with a corpse of a dead Pope inside the altar.

So, in your country, when a loved one dies, you just bury them and no words or uology is said? There is no family viewing?

 

[Anastacia]

My replies to Selene in blue.


Really? I don't see any quotes from the Pope?


Your popes call them "holy remains," "holy relics," and "holy bones."


Would you prefer to see the bones naked?


Are you trying to be funny now about the practices your religion has?


So, in your country, when a loved one dies, you just bury them and no words or uology is said? There is no family viewing? Your disdain for someone's loved one is very revealing.

In your religion, you not only have a uology and bury your loved ones, but you also dig them up later, put them in glass caskets, dress them in fine linen and gold, and venerate them.
I think that is the revealing part.

Also revealing is how you speak lies.

 

[Selene]

Your popes call them "holy remains," "holy relics," and "holy bones."

Calling them "holy" is not the same thing as saying "come and adore them." God calls us to be holy (Lev. 11:44). Does that mean that we have to adore ourselves? No. God called the priests "holy" (Ex. 22:31). Does this mean that God is saying that we should adore the priests? No. So, okay...you claim that the Pope is telling the faithful to come and adore the bones. Where is that quote coming from the Pope's mouth. If you're going to claim that the Pope is calling the faithful to adore the bones, you should back it up with some source showing that quote.

In your religion, you not only have a uology and bury your loved ones, but you also dig them up later, put them in glass caskets, dress them in fine linen and gold, and venerate them.
I think that is the revealing part

Oh, you mean like all those dead remains of humans and dead animals that you dug up and put in your museums?

Well, it is my lunch time. I will leave this thread for now. Since you have no questions at all....good-bye!

 

[Anastacia]

Calling them "holy" is not the same thing as saying "come and adore them." God calls us to be holy (Lev. 11:44). Does that mean that we have to adore ourselves? No. God called the priests "holy" (Ex. 22:31). Does this mean that God is saying that we should adore the priests? No. So, okay...you claim that the Pope is telling the faithful to come and adore the bones. Where is that quote coming from the Pope's mouth. If you're going to claim that the Pope is calling the faithful to adore the bones, you should back it up with some source showing that quote.



Oh, you mean like all those dead remains of humans and dead animals that you dug up and put in your museums?

Well, it is my lunch time. I will leave this thread for now. Since you have no questions at all....good-bye!

Oh, so you want to keep the conversation here going with me no matter what falseness you say? Here are some more pictures. Sometimes visuals help people to understand.

Irish men parade the "Holy bones" of "saint Oliver" on their shoulders.

A headless saint in Ireland, adored with candles at the alter of St. Peters Church.

The Church in Ireland who keep a headless saint in the center.

The night vision of a skull at the alter of a place of worship

 

[TexUs]

You got all the verses there except the one important one that you did not fulfill.

Really? This isn't that hard of concept. To test this I emailed my 12 year old nephew this chapter, told him to read it today, and get back with me and he was able to answer the question "Why is Mary considered blessed in this passage?" just fine.
Either you're truly ignorant, or you're just stubborn as a mule and refuse to acknowledge anything I'm saying. I give up. I also take your inability to address any of the other questions I had as just that: an inability to address them.






I'd like to say this has been informative but I actually think what shreds of respect I had for the Catholic church went out the window after this thread. The only thing I've managed to take away from this thread is the amazement at the blatant ignoring and twisting and distorting of Scripture. Not only that but the traditions based on absolutely no proof of anything even Scripturally nor Historically other than the miraculous appearance of said tradition years removed from the event.

 

[Selene]

Really? This isn't that hard of concept. To test this I emailed my 12 year old nephew this chapter, told him to read it today, and get back with me and he was able to answer the question "Why is Mary considered blessed in this passage?" just fine.
Either you're truly ignorant, or you're just stubborn as a mule and refuse to acknowledge anything I'm saying. I give up. I also take your inability to address any of the other questions I had as just that: an inability to address them.

That's because you asked him the wrong question. The question is not why Mary is blessed. The question should have been "Who" will call Mary blessed. The answer: All generations wil call me (Mary) blessed.

 

[Selene]

Oh, so you want to keep the conversation here going with me no matter what falseness you say? Here are some more pictures. Sometimes visuals help people to understand.

Irish men parade the "Holy bones" of "saint Oliver" on their shoulders.






A headless saint in Ireland, adored with candles at the alter of St. Peters Church.




The Church in Ireland who keep a headless saint in the center.




The night vision of a skull at the alter of a place of worship

You can print all the pictures you want. I am actually honored that you published them here. That way, everyone can see that we Catholics have great respect for the bodies of people who were our brothers and sisters and loved ones. We don't treat our brothers and sisters as nothing or as trash even when they pass away. We respect people when they are alive and we still respect them even when they pass away. Among Catholics, any loved one who passes away will not be called "evil" and will be treated with utmost respect and honor. Afterall, Jesus commanded us to love one another. Our love for our brothers and sisters does not stop when they die. We continue to love, respect, and honor them.

 

[Anastacia]

You can print all the pictures you want. I am actually honored that you published them here. That way, everyone can see that we Catholics have great respect for the bodies of people who were our brothers and sisters and loved ones. We don't treat our brothers and sisters as nothing or as trash even when they pass away. We respect people when they are alive and we still respect them even when they pass away. Among Catholics, any loved one who passes away will not be called "evil" and will be treated with utmost respect and honor. Afterall, Jesus commanded us to love one another. Our love for our brothers and sisters does not stop when they die. We continue to love, respect, and honor them.

When people die and are buried, they should be left in their graves. No where in scripture does God tell us to dig up people and venerate them. Catholics believe they can be healed by the dead remains. How can anybody who wants to please the Lord do these things? How can anyone who claims they love Jesus do such things?

To people seeking God and are wondering if the Catholic religion teaches correctly---please study and see that what the Catholics do with the remains of their dead is not any where in the Bible.

 

[aspen]

Selene -

You have provided some informative and thorough responses in the past couple of days! I have enjoyed catching up on the thread, sister. And thanks mcorba for contributing as well - it is nice to meet you. Templar your perspective is always interesting and welcome. Now that I have my internet back, I am going to try to contribute some more posts as well

blessings

 

[Anastacia]

This is the contained and kept blood of a maltese priest.

A Catholic in Malta is told to kiss the container with blood from a deceased priest.

Catholics, this is what your religion does. If you did not know, you do now.

 

[Selene]

Selene -

You have provided some informative and thorough responses in the past couple of days! I have enjoyed catching up on the thread, sister. And thanks mcorba for contributing as well - it is nice to meet you. Templar your perspective is always interesting and welcome. Now that I have my internet back, I am going to try to contribute some more posts as well

blessings

Hi Aspen,

It's great to see you back, my brother. I was wondering what happened to you. Starting next week, I will be on holiday break for two weeks, but it is going to be a busy Christmas for me and my community in my Church parish. God bless.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[deprofundis]

No, I don't believe it's similar. First of all, I didn't say that only my church has the fullness of the gospel and that the other churches have enough of the truth to be Christian. There is a big difference between what I said and this statement. I really believe that we need to stop making claims about and arguing over who or what church is the greatest here on earth.

My point wasn't that they should be arguing over it, but that it's sort of inevitable that everyone will think their church/denomination is the "best," or why else would they belong to it rather than another; what I was trying to say is that I think it's important that everyone remembers that their church is the "best" for them, not necessarily for everybody.

 

[aspen]

Well, I am a bit disappointed after reading through the posts - here is what I found:

1. Questions about relics and the remains of saints, which were provided with well researched Catholic answers from Selene

2. Lots of comments about Catholics not answering questions being asked

3. Comments dismissing the Catholic answers provided - often with further commentary on how unqualified / uneducated / morally deficient the Catholic members are for providing the responses to questions posted.

It is too bad - I was hoping to engage in some meaningful dialog with people who were interested in learning from each other. I was also hoping to get a chance to answer some question that have not been addressed, but there have only been a few and they have all been provided with good Catholic responses.

Just a reminder, I am not an employee of this thread - I answer the questions I choose to answer. Possible methods of increasing the chances of getting a response from me is to formulate your sentences into questions - using question marks. I read a comment from Marksman claiming that his post to me had 10 questions rather than the three I recognized - he may have been correct, but failure to use question marks is not a good way to get your comments answered. Also, ad hominem comments like, "I guess you can't count either" is just going to cause me to chuckle at your razor sharp wit and miss your question completely!

So, hopefully you all will help me out by using question marks and by being patient! And remember, just because you do not like the Catholic response to a question does not mean it is not a real Catholic answer.

blessings!!

 

[aspen]

My point wasn't that they should be arguing over it, but that it's sort of inevitable that everyone will think their church/denomination is the "best," or why else would they belong to it rather than another; what I was trying to say is that I think it's important that everyone remembers that their church is the "best" for them, not necessarily for everybody.

It also makes sense that every church has sacred doctrine that is considered infaliable

 

[Selene]

Well, I am a bit disappointed after reading through the posts - here is what I found:

1. Questions about relics and the remains of saints, which were provided with well researched Catholic answers from Selene

2. Lots of comments about Catholics not answering questions being asked

3. Comments dismissing the Catholic answers provided - often with further commentary on how unqualified / uneducated / morally deficient the Catholic members are for providing the responses to questions posted.

It is too bad - I was hoping to engage in some meaningful dialog with people who were interested in learning from each other. I was also hoping to get a chance to answer some question that have not been addressed, but there have only been a few and they have all been provided with good Catholic responses.

Just a reminder, I am not an employee of this thread - I answer the questions I choose to answer. Possible methods of increasing the chances of getting a response from me is to formulate your sentences into questions - using question marks. I read a comment from Marksman claiming that his post to me had 10 questions rather than the three I recognized - he may have been correct, but failure to use question marks is not a good way to get your comments answered. Also, ad hominem comments like, "I guess you can't count either" is just going to cause me to chuckle at your razor sharp wit and miss your question completely!

So, hopefully you all will help me out by using question marks and by being patient! And remember, just because you do not like the Catholic response to a question does not mean it is not a real Catholic answer.

blessings!!

Hi Aspen,

I agree. As a Catholic, I was also looking forward to an honest dialogue with non-Catholics so that they can understand us better. By allowing them to hear our side, that would dispel any misconceptions and untrue things that anti-Catholics and fundamentalists have been publishing about us using only their own words.

If there are any non-Catholics who want an honest dialogue with us, I welcome it. I am not here to convert for you are already Christians like us. I have never said anything negative about your beliefs. The fact that you believe in God our Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is enough that I can even call you my brothers and sisters in Christ. But an honest dialogue between us will help us understand each other and even foster friendships with one another. God bless.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[aspen]

Hi Aspen,

I agree. As a Catholic, I was also looking forward to an honest dialogue with non-Catholics so that they can understand us better. By allowing them to hear our side, that would dispel any misconceptions and untrue things that anti-Catholics and fundamentalists have been publishing about us using only their own words.

If there are any non-Catholics who want an honest dialogue with us, I welcome it. I am not here to convert for you are already Christians like us. I have never said anything negative about your beliefs. The fact that you believe in God our Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is enough that I can even call you my brothers and sisters in Christ. But an honest dialogue between us will help us understand each other and even foster friendships with one another. God bless.

In Christ,
Selene

Nicely said - I totally agree

 

[Selene]

My point wasn't that they should be arguing over it, but that it's sort of inevitable that everyone will think their church/denomination is the "best," or why else would they belong to it rather than another; what I was trying to say is that I think it's important that everyone remembers that their church is the "best" for them, not necessarily for everybody.

Hi De Profundis,

I agree. Even a Buddhist will think that Buddhism is the best for him/her simply because that is the religion he/she chose and are happy to be in it. One of the good things I admire about the United States is that they advocate "freedom of religion." No one is forced to join a church.

In Christ,
Selene

 

[marksman]

Sorry to hear that you have been going through so much. I hope for you a speedy recovery, and that you will be enjoying good health soon. I want to take this time to say that I've been very much enjoying your comments and replies in this thread.

Thankyou Anastacia. it does have its bright side inasmuch as my daughter who has been living in London has returned home for good to look after her dear old Dad.

If you enjoy the comments I will keep going for you. The romans obviously don't like them as I guess they are too close to the bone. I have noticed that they are not that brilliant in answering your questions. I guess we must ask the ones they don't want to know about.

Now, do you have the fullness of God.

John 1:16 And of his fullness have we all received, and grace for grace.The scriptures seem to think so.