Once Saved Always Saved

[justbyfaith]

We are not saved by "continuing to believe".
We are saved once, when God accepts our faith, to give us the New Birth.
We are saved exactly once, and kept saved by the BLooD of Jesus.

Being cleansed by the blood of Jesus is a continual process according to the Greek verb tense in 1 John 1:7...."He continually cleanseth us from all sin."

This comes as the result of walking in the light as He is in the light (again, 1 John 1:7).

If we cease to walk in the light, it should be clear that the blood of Jesus will cease to cleanse us from all sin; and therefore it will not keep us saved in such a situation as that.

 

[justbyfaith]

You teach that a person has to be in active maintenance of their believing, that is, your claim, "you have to keep believing to keep saved".

This is directly in opposition to the teaching of the Bible.

Not!

Show in the Bible where it says that a man who ceases to have faith continues to be saved.

 

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Please show me where they sad this

No one can choose to change their nature.

It's a fiction.

Much love!

 

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The condition is maintained faith! Tired of arguing this!

The argument is easy. Either God keeps you saved, or you keep you saved.

I believe God keeps us saved.

Much love!

 

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Not!

Show in the Bible where it says that a man who ceases to have faith continues to be saved.

Show me in the Bible where a man who is born again ceases to have faith and becomes unborn again.

It's not there.

Either you believe that you keep yourself saved, or God keeps you saved.

I believe God keeps us saved. And not we ourselves.

 

[kcnalp]

What's your point?
"YOU attempt to be JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW"?

"you have fallen from grace."
You can't fall from grace unless you're in it!

What has that to do with me?
I have never claimed to be "Justified by law".

Again, your nilly willy picking of random Scripture... FAILED...

Again, written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

No OSAS in the Bible!

 

[kcnalp]

- kcnalp...

ARE YOU CONVERTED?

Of course. I've said several times that I'm a Bible believing Christian. How many times do you want me to say it?

DO YOU CONTINUE TO SIN?

No need for a commentary, yes or no will suffice.

Of course I have sinned after becoming a Christian, and so have you!

 

[JunChosen]

So, the question is, does the Christian who has not repented act more along the lines of living out the gospel, or living like a hypocrite?

I believe that it is the latter...

There are no such Christians as you describe above!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No. Flippant faith is arrogant. I will now wade through your wall of text and comment accordingly..........

....lol.... I can hardly wait ....Your Legalistic Stances and the Hogwash Of your fellow Gospel Perverter , justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance , are always “ Fascinating ” to listen to———- NOT !

While you are” wading” through my giant “walls of text” try to pick up a little something ....then my Truth Lectures to you Tares would not have to be so lengthy.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Is that why OSASers keep implying that I'm not a Christian, simply because I don't swallow the OSAS unBiblical doctrine?

I don’t know if you are a Christian or not....I don’t think that the NON OSAS Crowd is necessarily “ LOST” ......... They may not be without Salvation , but they are Definitely without Assurance and they are also “fallen from Grace”. Pray that that does not equate Damnation..... Some very smart Bible Teachers say it does .Me? Not really sure, but why take a chance ? Pray to your Father.....ask Him to show you how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace....It’s the ONLY WAY to go through this life ....
...
Btw, there is a Test devised by Paul to see if you are a Christian or not....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You misunderstood my question..

I am not talking about flirting with moses.

Must have been some confusion on my part.....I would never accuse you of being a Legalist that flirts with the Laws Of Moses.....apologies to you...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sounds like your point is that if I don't believe your unBiblical OSAS doctrine then I'm not a Christian.

Your the one attacking osas people.

I never made a claim one way or another, only God can do that.

you really think I am saved in my what do you call it “license to sin gospel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The argument is easy. Either God keeps you saved, or you keep you saved.

I believe God keeps us saved.

Much love!

They can’t seem to grasp this basic truth

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Must have been some confusion on my part.....I would never accuse you of being a Legalist that flirts with the Laws Of Moses.....apologies to you...

It’s ok at least you tried, I guess that question scared others off..I sort of got another answer, but,asked him to go deeper, guess that was to much for him also.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The book is a letter to believers.

There was no title page on the original letter.

For 1200 years it was called the Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews - because it was a letter to the Hebrews.
Here is another verse that confirms this message was directed to the Hebrews;
"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Hebrews 10:26-29
Some of these Jews were considering going back to Judaism, as they always had and rejecting Christ. And so the warning goes out to them.

The question is, What does faith mean to YOU? Isn't faith the assurance, conviction and confidence or things hoped for and not seen?
So, you aren't quite sure about your salvation then? You can be stuck in that quandry, I am certain and confident that I am saved.

 

[kcnalp]

I don’t know if you are a Christian or not....I don’t think that the NON OSAS Crowd is necessarily “ LOST” ......... They may not be without Salvation , but they are Definitely without Assurance and they are also “fallen from Grace”. Pray that that does not equate Damnation..... Some very smart Bible Teachers say it does .Me? Not really sure, but why take a chance ? Pray to your Father.....ask Him to show you how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace....It’s the ONLY WAY to go through this life ....

Fallen from grace means NOT SAVED! You OSASers can't stop judging people!

Btw, there is a Test devised by Paul to see if you are a Christian or not....

Please elaborate.

 

[kcnalp]

Your the one attacking osas people.

That's a lie! OSASers are attacking me and playing the victims.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Actually, you have no effect on me, other then to give me a way to teach.
You're useful in that way, but, otherwise, you're just one more "cult of Mary", isolated mentality, cultist.
Your a typical devotee to Mary, and you teach the basic Jehovah's Witness/Catholic man made legalistic mumbo-gumbo.

Nothing like a good “Springboard” to get the True Gospel of Grace out there, right? If Paul we’re here, he would “ cast out” the SlaveWoman and her son ( the ancient symbols that represent the Legalists and Tares in the church today) ....
Seeing how that is not an option, we can just do the next best thing—- Use them and their Falsehoods as an example to Newbies Of what NOT to do and what NOT to Believe.....
I like being a “Pit Bull” in the fight against Leaven and False, Perverted “ Gospels”....God likes it too....He HATES Leaven.....me too!

 

[justbyfaith]

Show me in the Bible where a man who is born again ceases to have faith and becomes unborn again.

Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22.

There are no such Christians as you describe above!!!

To God Be The Glory

There are plenty of people who claim to be Christians who live hypocritical lives in front of the world. Otherwise they wouldn't have the excuse that "Christians are hypocrites and therefore I don't want to join the church lest I become a hypocrite like the Christians that I see."

I don’t think that the NON OSAS Crowd is necessarily “ LOST” ......... They may not be without Salvation , but they are Definitely without Assurance

I think that the OSAS crowd would have to be without assurance. Because they believe that if they fall away, they were never saved to begin with. Therefore the only way they can know that their faith is even genuine is if they endure to the end. So, they cannot know that their faith is genuine until after they have lived their lives and persevered in their faith all the way to the end.

That is not assurance...that is doubt and uncertainty as to whether you are really saved or not.

and they are also “fallen from Grace”. Pray that that does not equate Damnation...

If someone is "fallen from grace" that would equate damnation...because we are saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). That is a very basic doctrine.

The only reason why you say that you think it might not equate damnation is so that you can accuse others of having fallen from grace and escape the condemnation of Luke 6:37...

Now I know that I have not fallen from grace over the fact that I am walking after the Spirit rather than the flesh, and therefore the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me. (That is true on more than one level.)

On one level, if that were the case (i.e. I were fallen from grace because I am sanctified in my behaviour), then the goal of the Lord for us...sanctification...when it is obtained, it produces damnation in the person who is sanctified.

And what does it matter to you if I am sanctified because I believe that the Lord makes it a requirement?

The fact is, that I am sanctified...

And, that is an aspect of salvation.

So, how does having an aspect of salvation equal damnation in your viewpoint?

 

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They can’t seem to grasp this basic truth

I'm not convinced of that. I don't know what people's motives are. It seems to me that I'm encountering some people who are writing to tear down other people's faith. But that's just an impression I get.

Much love!