How so?
I do of course believe that being born again is forever. How does that make me the judge of others?
Much love!
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I do of course believe that being born again is forever. How does that make me the judge of others?
Much love!
Yes, "FEAR GOD", that is what those not yet in CONVERSION DO.
You don't know what "Converted means"?
Nope, no Scripture missing...
Should be CONVERTED
Shall be CONVERTED
Not CONVERTED
Are CONVERTED...
In full understanding of which passage APPLIES to me and which passage DOES NOT Apply to me.
Pss 51:
- [13] Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
- [5] Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
- [15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
- [3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye beconverted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
- [12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
- [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
- [40] He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
- [19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
- [27] For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
That's what it is.
And next will come the square dance to try and make it seem not that way.
Much love!
Sounds like your point is that if I don't believe your unBiblical OSAS doctrine then I'm not a Christian.
Stop whinning and deflecting.
Some believe in OSAS, some don't.
They disagree, So WHAT?
If you think Disagreeing is Judging....
So what, it is what you are doing. LOL
Really? Can you be more OBVIOUS?
I said no such thing....that's your mouth babbling, things I did NOT say.
Read chapter 1 of 1 Peter. It's written to Christians.
Sure do, it means Christian salvation.
Guess you missed this.
John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
Nothing wrong with those Scriptures at all. You just ignore the ones that don't fit your OSAS doctrine.
John 15:6 (NKJV)
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
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That you post verses that you don't understand, i'll admit.
That you belong to the "cult of the virgin", i'll admit.
That you are confused about "water saves", i'll admit.
That you can't explain without lying why your "cult of the virgin" has many more celebration days that honor Mary, then your water cult has these same for Jesus.
I'll admit that to you..
No prob.
I didn't judge any of you! Stop lying! And several OSASers have strongly implied that I'm not a Christian because I point out the many Scriptures that prove OSAS as false. You're playing the victim while attacking me.
Behold
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We are not saved by "continuing to believe".
We are saved once, when God accepts our faith, to give us the New Birth.
We are saved exactly once, and kept saved by the BLooD of Jesus.
So, stop trying to keep yourself saved, by holding unto your faith.
Trust Christ to keep you saved, instead.
kcnalp "You actually believe you CANNOT sin ?????"Really? Can you be more OBVIOUS?
I said no such thing....that's your mouth babbling, things I did NOT say.
Taken "God Proclaims it, I Agree."
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Behold
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What you stated as OSAS, is not a doctrine.
Its just a phrase made up by some heretic who is a legalist and does not trust in Christ to keep them saved.
Its actually a fool's errand to become obsessed with this "OSAS"< idea..... as this legalistic Cross denying person will be found trying to prove that works keep you saved, or faith keeps you saved, and that that Grace of God is a license to sin.
Not once have I EVER said there was ANYTHING WRONG with Scripture.
On more that one occasion I have EXPRESSLY SAID.... ALL SCRIPTURE IS TRUE
NO....I IGNORE YOUR WORDS, YOU SPEAK "FOR ME"!
I do NOT IGNORE Scripture.
I am WISE enough TO KNOW:
Christ IS THE WISDOM OF GOD and CONVERTED men, are gifted WISDOM from Christ, TO KNOW, HOW TO...
DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
(PSSSST - I ONLY APPLY TO MYSELF, WHAT DOES APPLY TO ME!)
You willy nilly grabbing scriptures and trying to apply them "to me", IS IRRELEVANT.
(And laughable).
Written to Christians:
Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
What is your point?
I know what I said.
And I know what YOU SAID "FOR ME".
YOU accused me of confessing to SINNING...
A LIE.
Your accusations mean nothing....except that you OPEN YOUR MOUTH and SPEAK for others what they do not say....
THAT IS YOU, YOUR WORDS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH MAKING A FALSE TESTIMONY.
That is on you...not me.
I quoted me and I quoted YOU. I didn't accuse you of anything. You're playing the victim while attacking me.
What's your point?
"YOU attempt to be JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW"?
What has that to do with me?
I have never claimed to be "Justified by law".
Again, your nilly willy picking of random Scripture... FAILED...
- kcnalp...
ARE YOU CONVERTED?
DO YOU CONTINUE TO SIN?
No need for a commentary, yes or no will suffice.
ARE YOU CONVERTED?
DO YOU CONTINUE TO SIN?
No need for a commentary, yes or no will suffice.
You are very practiced at your deflections, however, they are still able to be seen through.
You teach that a person has to be in active maintenance of their believing, that is, your claim, "you have to keep believing to keep saved".
This is directly in opposition to the teaching of the Bible.
Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
You would have us believe that there could then be some contravening event - that Abraham may stop believing - by which he would then no longer be counted righteous.
However, that's not what God says.
Romans 4:1-11 KJV
1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7) Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9) Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10) How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
How was it then reckoned? Past tense. Completed transaction. That's the part to get a hold of. God and Abraham completed a transaction by which Abraham was rendered righteous.
You would have us think God would take that back. Undo it. You would have us to doubt our God and His saving power.
But I don't. I won't. And I will oppose that false teaching with every breath.
Much love!
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