Once Saved Always Saved

[justbyfaith]

Nothing like a good “Springboard” to get the True Gospel of Grace out there, right? If Paul we’re here, he would “ cast out” the SlaveWoman and her son ( the ancient symbols that represent the Legalists and Tares in the church today) ....
Seeing how that is not an option, we can just do the next best thing—- Use them and their Falsehoods as an example to Newbies Of what NOT to do and what NOT to Believe.....
I like being a “Pit Bull” in the fight against Leaven and False, Perverted “ Gospels”....God likes it too....He HATES Leaven.....me too!

You are sadly mistaken in your doctrine...

And this is also evidenced by the fact that you rarely, if ever, quote scriptures as they exist in the Bible but rather, only on rare occasions, give your paraphrases, that amount to heresy if taken to an extreme (such as "Whoever ASKS to be saved WILL be saved") and not checked by the literal rendering of the scripture that you think you have quoted.

And the rest of the time you don't quote the Bible at all.

I encourage the people that I minister to, to be Bereans (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11) and check what I say by holy scripture (and I also, most often, give references by which they can see that my doctrine is substantiated by holy scripture)...

You, and @Behold, and perhaps a few others, give long spiels where scripture is absent, and expect people to follow you because if anyone doesn't, you will try to shame them into believing things your way.

Those who are biblically literate will not be shamed into purporting your lies. This is why your main audience that you are seeking to win to your point of view is "newbies"...

Because those who are well-versed in the holy scriptures will think of verses that contradict some of your basic premises as they read what you write.

While some of what you write takes advantage of what is generally taught in some of the churches today...and therefore if people are listening to teachers rather than reading their Bibles, they just might be deceived by you and the things that you purport.

Because they sound good...and yet the basic premise of "repentance isn't necessary for salvation" is something that will appeal to those who have "itching ears" (2 Timothy 4:3)...people who want to have their cake and eat it too...believing that they can live a sinful lifestyle and still go to heaven...however that basic premise is denied by Jesus in Matthew 13:41-42; Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41.

 

[Taken]

"work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;"

LOL...and what exactly do YOU think that means? Can YOU answer?

 

[Waiting on him]

"you have fallen from grace."
You can't fall from grace unless you're in it!

Again, written to Christians:
Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

No OSAS in the Bible!

1 John 4:16-18 KJV
[16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. [17] Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. [18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Perfect Love, God in you casts out fear.

 

[kcnalp]

LOL...and what exactly do YOU think that means? Can YOU answer?

I quote Scripture and you think it's funny? But since you asked, OSAS is man made, not God's Word. But if OSAS is true I can't lose!

 

[justbyfaith]

LOL...and what exactly do YOU think that means? Can YOU answer?

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I can tell you what it means. It is one of my favourite doctrines.

What is written in Philippians 2:12 amounts to what is written in 2 Peter 1:10...

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 

[Taken]

Of course. I've said several times that I'm a Bible believing Christian. How many times do you want me to say it?

Of course I have sinned after becoming a Christian,

Of course. I've said several times that I'm a Bible believing Christian. How many times do you want me to say it?

Of course I have sinned after becoming a Christian, and so have you!

I DID NOT ASK YOU, if you were a bible believing Christian.
I DID NOT ASK YOU, if you sinned after becoming a Christian.
I DID NOT ASK YOU, for your opinion of me.


TRY to actually answer the questions.
I asked TWO very simple PRECISE Questions.

- kcnalp...

ARE YOU CONVERTED?

DO YOU CONTINUE TO SIN?

No need for a commentary, yes or no will suffice.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's a lie! OSASers are attacking me and playing the victims.

Your the one playing the victim.

you keep crying saying we judge you

 

[kcnalp]

I DID NOT ASK YOU, if you were a bible believing Christian.

Why didn't you?

I DID NOT ASK YOU, if you sinned after becoming a Christian.

I gave you an honest answer. Was John saved?

1 John 2:1 (NKJV)
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, WE have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

I DID NOT ASK YOU, for your opinion of me.

And I gave you another honest answer that you didn't seem to like. You have sinned since you "converted".

TRY to actually answer the questions.
I asked TWO very simple PRECISE Questions.

- kcnalp...

ARE YOU CONVERTED?

Yes, I'm a Bible believing Christian. Are you?

DO YOU CONTINUE TO SIN?

Yes, how about you?

No need for a commentary, yes or no will suffice.

And still the OSASers attack NON OSASers as being unsaved!

 

[JunChosen]

No I am not. I am judging the false doctrine of OSAS. Not the OSAS preachers.

What's the difference? One is the teaching and the other is the preacher teaching it? You don't know what you're talking about. Just like everything else you write in this thread.

Again, written to Christians:

Philippians 2:12 (NKJV)
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Philippians 2:12 must be read in light with the next verse 13 to get context... context... context!!!

No OSAS in the Bible!

It's because you have no knowledge nor understanding of the nature of what OSAS represents. And I challenge you if you think you understand OSAS.

To God Be The Glory

 

[kcnalp]

Your the one playing the victim.

you keep crying saying we judge you

I'm not crying but you are judging! Stop judging NON OSASers as unsaved! Maybe God will have mercy on you on Judgment Day.

 

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Written to Christians:
Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Fallen from Grace . . . thinking you have to do something to stay saved. Trying to DO something to stay saved. It's on you, not on Him, that's "fallen from grace".

Much love!

 

[kcnalp]

What's the difference? One is the teaching and the other is the preacher teaching it? You don't know what you're talking about. Just like everything else you write in this thread.

You honestly don't know the difference between judging people and judging a doctrine???

It's because you have no knowledge nor understanding of the nature of what OSAS represents. And I challenge you if you think you understand OSAS.

To God Be The Glory

Now you're saying OSASers can be unsaved? Good for you!

 

[kcnalp]

Fallen from Grace . . . thinking you have to do something to stay saved. Trying to DO something to stay saved. It's on you, not on Him, that's "fallen from grace".

Much love!

You're changing the subject.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not crying but you are judging! Stop judging NON OSASers as unsaved! Maybe God will have mercy on you on Judgment Day.

See there you go crying again

How about you stop judging osas, and we will sit down and talk eternal security vs eternal insecurity?

 

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Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22.

Quote the passages, point to those words that you think say this, and let's look at them to see if that's what they say.

They don't actually say that.

Here's one that says no one who has died and risen with Christ in this life will be lost:

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

If you are risen with Christ . . . you've also died, and been hid in God.

Now . . . Here's the part to pay careful attention to:

When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory

You shall. Not, you might, you may, you can, but, You Shall.

If you've been raised with Him, you've died, and you will appear with Him. And Scripture cannot be broken. This will happen.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You're changing the subject.

What subject would you like to focus on?

You quoted a passage, I commented on that passage . . . let me know what you'd like to discuss.



Much love!

 

[Taken]

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I can tell you what it means. It is one of my favourite doctrines.

What is written in Philippians 2:12 amounts to what is written in 2 Peter 1:10...

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Disagree.
(But the question was for kcnalp, which apparently what you said, is what he agrees with)...
So I disagree with both of you.

2 Peter 1:10 is about being SURE BEFORE making a declaration of Belief.

Philippians 2:12...(c)
[12]
(a)Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed,
(b)not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,
(c) work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Working out your own salvation with fear and trembling, has NOTHING to do with a man declaring his faith or the Lord saving his soul.

A man Working out his own salvation is precisely the mans works TO MAKE HIS Carnal MIND thoughts "subservient' to his Quickened spirits thoughts in his new heart.

You should have known that by reading Phil 2, IN CONTEXT, where by Phil 2: 2 TELLS YOU....YOU Fulfill the Lords JOY, when you fulfill BEING "CHRIST" LIKE MINDED....and Christ LIKE minded with other men IN Christ.

Phil 2:
[2] Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

You should have learned from STUDY, the Carnal mind is AGAINST GOD.
The CHANGING OF ONES CARNAL MIND, is WHAT A MAN MUST FULFIL to have a MIND LIKE CHRIST....which fulfills Christ's JOY.
and TO HAVE a MIND LIKE CHRIST, "the Spirit of Truth" received from the Lord....'DURING A mans CONVERSION"....IS THE PRECISE TOOL given a man to USE to MAKE HIS MIND "subservient"
To his new spirit in his new heart.

Nothing new, in Scripture, nothing new that I have not said before...

THAT is a mans works... the fear and trembling....is forenotice...ITS HARD, ITS continually on going...

 

[Ezra]

But I LOVE responding to OSAS. It leads people to Hell fire!

how many times do we get saved?

 

[Ezra]

You don't have a clue why you preach OSAS!

how many times since you got saved have you lost it?

 

[kcnalp]

See there you go crying again

Sounds like you're doing the crying. I'm posting Scripture and you cry.

How about you stop judging osas, and we will sit down and talk eternal security vs eternal insecurity?

Can't stop judging OSAS. It's unBiblical. Do you obey Jesus?

Matthew 6:9-12 (NKJV)
9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.