Whenever I am abiding in Christ, I do not sin (1 John 3:6).
That is a fact of holy scripture.
It is also a fact of holy scripture that we can abide for ever more (1 John 2:17).
Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation
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That is a fact of holy scripture.
It is also a fact of holy scripture that we can abide for ever more (1 John 2:17).
Grailhunter
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All good...topics can waver...just fine with me...
Here ya go....
IS THERE A NEW DENOMINATION FORMING?
Time for a lecture. Today there are a lot of different Christian beliefs. I wonder if Christ intended it that way...Baskin-Robbins times 10,000....a flavor for everybody....ya think?
Now you might think that when Paul was preaching that there was one faith...one belief....not even close.
Belief control has always been a pipe dream. No matter what denomination you claim...(if any)...odds are good that the guy that sits next to you in church does not believe exactly like you do.
The Catholics thought it was important to have one faith....and it turned the church into a monster. So I am on the fence as to whether or not that was Christ's intent.
Within the first 400 years of Christianity, the differing beliefs would be hard to count due to the vagueness of history. When I started the tread "Is there a new denomination forming?" I was not being facetious. A lot of time has passed...society has changed ...technology...science...education. What the Bible teaches is from an ancient perspective. Older people have developed quite a juggling act between saying that science is all bunk but living in a home full of science....their lives full of science....their Ford pickup having more and better computers than those that took man to the moon. But if they have a heart attack they will use that witchy smart phone to call the technology mobile to take them to a building full of science.
But back to Sunday School they preach that the earth is only 6,000 years old, evolution is a lie, the existence of Cavemen is lie, that dinosaurs did not exist, and some still preach that the world is flat and disease is caused by demons. For older people this is just fine...they have learned to juggle these two realities just fine. For younger people...we are losing the youth. They maybe respectful, but a lot of them will not even give Christianity a chance because of it.
So back to the topic, with Christianity teaching these old outdate concepts, is it surprising that some are wondering if the morals taught in the Bible are also outdated? People that want a relationship with Christ but are not going to believe some of the things it teaches. The morals are pretty hardline and do not fit into society in general. So there are a number of people that are going to believe in Christ, but not pay much attention to anything else.
What will the new denomination look like...kind of like a lava lamp? A little bit of the Green stuff...hug a tree...solar power...ride an electric car or bicycle...the green diet...fear of air, water, sun, and sugar...live and let live...tolerant...anything goes...peace love smoke pot...freedom and liberty is not worth the violence it takes to maintain it...succumb to communism...This is all a real thing. Now will they ever come up with a name for it, who knows.
I talk a lot about small bubbles and big bubbles of reality...a lot of people live in small bubbles...ramifications, cause and effect, and patterns are not everyone's forté. Because of my line of work and education I look at the world from a broader perspective. Historically speaking, there are two ways to keep society "reasonably stable"...The Romans and Communist countries use the iron fist. The Romans use to leave people crucified at the gates of their cities to get the message a crossed. The other way is a moral society...one that believes in morals, responsibility, and accountability. These are the things that are going to be lost in this new denomination and society will pay the price...whether it is due to their own actions or by the judgment of Christ.
The bottom line is that the morals of the Bible are not outdated and when you move away from them...bad things happen. About as simple as I can put it.
***I have to add this because it is interesting and kinda funny. Here I am talking about people that want to be Christians and want to go to heaven...or not go to hell...LOL...But they find Christian morals to be too restrictive, or unfair, or not pertinent to modern times...whatever! But the interesting point is that this is not a new objection. Early on in Christianity when people would witness to the Romans, some would listen to what they had to say and then when they came to the concept of Baptism and the forgiveness of sins...they would respond and say that they believed, and like the idea of heaven, but they intended to live their life as a Roman and then wait to get baptized on their death bed.
Some modern concepts of forgiveness would allow for this plan to work. And according to history Emperor Constantine did in fact do this. Now some suggest that he saw it as best way to enter heaven sinless. Now maybe this is some thing that this new movement is thinking of?***
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Grailhunter
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The topic of how the definition of sin changed upon the advent of Christ is a college topic...nothing that would be appreciated here, so let me change my wording. You and I and everyone do things that are wrong on occasion.
Only when we are not abiding in Christ (1 John 3:6)...when Christ isn't living His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20).
That we can abide for ever more is a fact of holy scripture (1 John 2:17).
God is in fact able to sanctify us wholly (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv))...thus perfecting us for ever (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv))...so that we "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9).
The final verse in that sequence may in fact be hyperbole by John...but if it is, then he is exaggerating to make a point.
What point?
It is that those who have been born again have made a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God. So, they are walking in a new direction. And therefore the following is true of them.
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
Grailhunter
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You can explain it away as hyperbolic or exaggerating or metaphoric ....sounds to me you are living in what is called a fantasy.
I get a lot of stick on the BB,
Could you please clarify.....was this a reference to me,”BB”.......
We may not see eye- to - eye on everything, but rest assured —- I absolutely “ABHOR” Donald Rump....He was a man who possessed a Black Heart—— a Complete Waste Of Orange Human Flesh.....don’t get me started! Lol......
Could you please clarify.....was this a reference to me,”BB”.......
We may not see eye- to - eye on everything, but rest assured —- I absolutely “ABHOR” Donald Rump....He was a man who possessed a Black Heart—— a Complete Waste Of Orange Human Flesh.....don’t get me started! Lol......
As I requested .....please start another thread if you want to discuss Abortion.....thanks...
Oh boy ! I can see this is going to be a Lot Of Fun! Your are a bit of a “smart-ass, aren't you? You remind me of me ! Lol.....
Grailhunter
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Referencing post 199 here
Hey you walked right into that one. Wait until it takes some wit and imagination before you congratulate me.
“ Morality is great ! God approves, I’m sure—- it beats the HECK out of IMMORALITY! The Problem is, Morality or the Lack Of it has Nothing to do with Salvation.....Hell will be Chock- Full Of “ Moral People”.......
Salvation is a “GIFT” remember? Given to those that see themselves as Sinners who need a Savior and “Turn to God with Faith in Jesus Christ .....”
The Hog- Wash contained in this Post ( essentially a kinda Catholic - Works Fairy Tale) leaves me with a problem ....I don't know where to begin! It’s like “shooting Fish in a Barrrel” and there are just too many fish to contend with....
You are espousing crapola that I have not seen posted by the biggest Nuts on the Internet....where did you GET this stuff? I wonder what other types of made-up Stuff are in your Warped “ Doctrine” that we haven’t seen yet...please keep going .....” Give some people enough rope..”
I don’t care enough to look back.....with all due respect....you are Nutty....too Nutty to debate, but we will see what happens.....
There is one thing and ONE THING ONLY that will Send a person to Hell——A lifetime of UNBELIEF ...Jesus paid the price for every Sin ever committed .....even Hitler’s ......even Trump’s !
What we poor , Lost Sinners must do is “ cash in” to what Jesus has already done at the Cross...we do that “ cashing in” with Faith in the Gospel Of Paul ( 1Cor 15:1-4 ) Plus NOTHING! ( unless you want to “Fall from Grace”).....
Grailhunter
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I have already explain this in detail in posts #194, 217, and 222 along with a link to... Is there a new denomination forming...
But if you are going to press me...Ok, again you are wrong. Christianity is not a religion of immorality. It is not like the sanctuary cities for illegal aliens. It is not about living like you want to and thinking forgiveness is yours no matter what you do.
If you cannot repent of your sins you are not going to get far. If you think you can sin all you want and make it to heaven you are thinking Christ is stupid. You do not think He is paying attention? You do not think He knows your mind and your heart? Your statement that Morality or the Lack Of it has Nothing to do with Salvation... means that you have no Idea of what salvation or Christianity is about.
And this is so simple...it is all in the Bible if you would only read it. Christians are advised to not even "hang" with people that are immoral.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
How do you get to this part of the Bible and come away with the idea that morality is not part of salvation much less part of the Christian walk in life. Do you see any ifs or but here...exceptions?
ByGraceThroughFaith
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As Jesus told the Sinful Woman that dried Jesus’ feet with her hair....”Your FAITH has Saved you...go in peace...”
No mention of Repentance.... Conquering Sin, etc.....
I would wager that her behavior in the future changed vastly for the Better.....Jesus did NOT say “ go and Sin no more”,like he did the Prostitute in another story....no need to tell her to “repent”
Jesus knows how people respond to Love, Forgiveness and Grace.....it worked 2000 years ago and it works today ....its a HEART thingy that many don’t understand....
If Peter or Jesus or Paul or ANYBODY says “Repent!”...... DO IT !
If anybody says “ REPENT OF SINS To be Saved? DO THAt TOO! Problem is for you Confused , poorly taught “ Religionists”out there—- those words are not found in the KJV....
Prove me wrong and I’ll give you $1000 dollars..
To get Saved, God must “open your heart” to the Gospel—- NO DIFfERENT than “Lydia , the Seller Of Purple” who you probably never even heard of....
Hear the Gospel ....Believe the Gospel....get God’s Spirit in you for RESTING in that Gospel and Repentance FOR SINS will occur naturally.....
If you Rejected the Gospel, and then “Changed your Mind” and decided to Accept it.....you have undergone the Repentance demanded for Salvation.....
Yep, Repentance ( Metanoia, a “ Mind Change”) is Required for Salvation....Satan has muddied the minds of the many who don’t understand it.....Thinking one can “ stop Sinning” is a Fool’s Errand”, and a few misguided Souls here thinkmthey can do it and this “make themselves Worthy Of Heaven...”. Get out Of her with that Garbage—— we are “ MADE WORTHY”,by the Blood of the Lamb.....plus-NOTHING....
“Love God and live as you please...”...... lol.....you will NEVER understand that...
What a shame.....
You do what YOU want.....just as everybody does if you have the Brains to see that.I do what “I”want every hour of every day.The Secret Of Christianity is that God changes your “WANTS”—— ( it’s that “INSIDE of the CUP” thingy ) .You will never understand that either...again what a shame.....This kinda stuff ain't for those still on the Bottle....I moved on to the MEAT of the Word....you are a “ weak Believer” if indeed , you are a Believer at all.....you got the weirdest stuff going on in your head that I have ever heard, and I’ve heard enough Pure Baloney in these Forums over the years to fill a Warehouse—— and it SURE AINT Biblical....
Believers that knowingly do what they know is wrong get the honor of being taken to “God’ s Wood Shed”...... God knows how to deal with His Foolish , Errant Children when they “ stumble” or get “caught up in Sin”......
Don’t you know ANYTHING about the Chastisement Of God? It’s only for His Saved Children....perhaps that is why you are ignorant about it....Read your Bible , please....be a “ good student” of the Word or “ Stand Ashamed” , as YOU should be....You can’t say that God did not Warn you .....
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