Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
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39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
After Jesus resurrection He appeared first to Mary and told her not to touch Him yet because He hadn't ascended to His Father...
John 20 (NKJV)
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¹⁵ Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away."
¹⁶ Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).
¹⁷ Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' "
Then He appeared to the disciples and taught them for another 40 days.....eating, drinking, and fellowshipping with them.
He let doubting Thomas put his finger in His side where He was pierced...
When He was taken up it was His glorified body...
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That is a false teaching.
He has a real physical fleshly body right now that is also imperishable.
Also, he will stand on the Mount of Olives with that body.
No it isn't. Believing Jesus is human flesh and blood as he was here is false teaching.
Your belief makes God flesh and bone if we read the description in 2 Corinthians 4:6 when we know Jesus was God on Earth.
1Corinthians 15:50.
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Oh ok. It is the spirit of antichrist who denies that Christ came in the flesh.
You are saying he is no longer flesh which is very close to that. You are on some very shaky ground.
Jesus was flesh and bones when He was here after His resurrection.
Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
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Not at all. And please don't misrepresent what I've said.
The Shakey ground is that argument that insists Jesus, who was God in flesh when here, is still of mortal substance when he returned to the father, i.e. reuniting unto his sacred holy spirit in the heaven from whence he came.
You're failing to see the difference between "mortal" / natural and spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:44 (NKJV)
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And he was in that transitory form when Mary, who knew him before his crucifixion, thought him the Gardner when she first saw him after his exit from the tomb.
Jesus was God before being begotten upon Mary. The sacred and eternal holy spirit. Which could be why he admonished her, saying she could not touch him as he'd not yet returned to the father. She could have embraced mortal flesh. But not the glory that is sacred and holy spirit standing before her. The perishable, flesh & bone, cannot inherit the imperishable, heaven. I think that would also go to say mortal flesh, could not lay hands on the imperishable sacred and holy spirit Christ.
And when Jesus let Thomas touch his wounds, and others of his disciples see his wounds, he, being God , let his mortal fleshly wounds and the body that endured be seen by them to assure their belief it was truly him resurrected.
I disagree. The natural mortal body is the carnal body. That is not Jesus today, as some believe. Jesus is holy spirit, which is not a bodily form. The argument some have made here is that Jesus is the mortal natural carnal body in heaven.
That is not true. John 4:24.
The Pentecostal pastor Finis Dake , God have mercy, taught that God is not a spirit but has a spirit substance body. Hands, fingers, toes, like that.And inhabits a mansion on a material planet called heaven.
It was the devil controlling Peter who was rebuked. The devil did not want to see Christ destroy him at the cross. So he used Peter (who was always impetuous).
As to the title of the thread, Christ was THE MAN of all men -- the perfect Man. He knew when to be patient and kind, and to take little children on His lap and bless them, and He also knew when to make a whip and literally drive out those who were debasing the temple of God. And when He rebuked the scribes, lawyers, and Pharisees, He did not mince His words or pull any punches. He brought damnation upon them.
You are denying what is plainly stated in Scripture. Christ was resurrected in a real, tangible, physical body, yet one that was special in every way, and free of all earthly limitations. The same body which was crucified, and had the marks of crucifixion, yet a transformed body which could enter and leave rooms supernaturally.
The term "carnal" is inappropriate, and you will not find that in Scripture when referring to the body of Christ which is GLORIOUS. The Lord Jesus Christ is LITERALLY seated in Heaven on His throne in a LITERAL physical body -- a glorious and glorified body, but a body of flesh and bones nonetheless. See Revelation 1.
The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy: the second Man [Christ] is the Lord from Heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (1 Cor 15:47-49)
Jesus said he would give his flesh and blood for the salvation of the world. If he sacrificed that as he did on the cross and then took it up again at resurrection what was sacrificed?
And if he was yet again mortal natural flesh and bone human, how did he pass through walls and disappear?Luke 24:25 and verse 36 respectively & John 20:19.
John the revelator in Revelation 1 described Jesus body as bearing human characteristics yet radiating heavenly glory, God's glory. I believe the human characteristics there were too like with Thomas. That apostle John would know it was the Lord he remembered giving him revelations from heaven.
John 6:51, Matthew 26:28
You're contradicting the argument you're trying to make when you insist Jesus was mortal, but not really, since he could pass through walls and disappear. Jesus was the word made flesh when born. When he was resurrected he was the glory of God in that glory-fied form.
If he was who he was prior to crucifixion why did Mary not recognize him after he resurrected? But then did and went to touch him. Do we think Mary would not have recognized the master after only three days? Thinking he whom she did see was the gardener.
No, you did because in this discussion I asked for that clarification that we all be on the same page. And the reply was that he was flesh and bone.
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