Revelation 20

Israelsson · Sep 27, 2011

There seems to be a lot of arguing about the '1000' years ruling with Christ mentioned in Revelation chapter 20. It is my hope that this article will shed some much needed light on this subject, as I personally think that 'looking forward' towards this 1000 years is fruitless. When Jesus returns, it will be for good, and that is what we are taught in scripture.

I have much respect for Mr. Finck, as he puts much effort and study into Gods Word, and thus far his teachings have been sound. Not all will accept truth when presented though, and that has been shown many times before.

Revelation Chapter 20 - October 18th Voice of Christian Israel Program Notes - William Finck with Clifton Emahiser
XX 1 And I saw a messenger descending from out of heaven[sup]1[/sup] having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he held fast the dragon, that serpent of old, who[sup]2[/sup] is the False Accuser and the Adversary [sup]3[/sup], and he bound him for a thousand years 3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and barred[sup]4[/sup] and set a seal upon it, that he may no longer[sup]5[/sup] deceive the Nations, until the thousand years should be completed. After[sup]6[/sup] these it is necessary for him to be released for a short time. [Genesis 3 Serpent, Revelation 12 Dragon & Serpent = Canaanite-Edomite Jews.]
4 And I saw thrones, and they who sat upon them, and judgment had been given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded on account of the testimony of Yahshua and on account of the Word of Yahweh and who did not worship the beast nor his image and did not receive the inscribed mark upon their[sup]7[/sup] foreheads and upon their hands. And they lived and ruled with Christ[sup]8[/sup] for a thousand years. [The jews attempted to destroy Christianity, and used the Romans to persecute them. But the testimony of the Christian martyrs prevailed over the jews! Once Christianity became the religion of Europe, the jew was more or less ejected from mainstream society, had no power over Christians, was forced to live in ghettoes, and Christian law became dominant.]
Note 1. א wants “from out of heaven”.
Note 2. א has “which”
Note 3. See the notes at Rev. 12:8, 10.
Note 4. M[sup]A[/sup] has “bound”.
Note 5. M[sup]A[/sup] wants “no longer”.
Note 6. M[sup]A[/sup] has “And after”.
Note 7. Literally “the”; M[sup]A[/sup] has “their” in the text, where otherwise it is implied.
Note 8. Or “the Christ”, M[sup]A[/sup] wants the article.
5 [sup]9[/sup]This is the first restoration.[sup]10[/sup] [The Kingdom of God without jewish domination] 6 Blessed and holy is he having a part in the first restoration.[sup]11[/sup] Over these the second death does not have authority, but they shall be priests of Yahweh and of Christ and they shall rule with Him for the[sup]12[/sup] thousand years.
Note 9. At this point the NA27 and all Bible translations include a sentence which I deem to be spurious. It is the beginning of verse 5 in the King James Version and from the Greek it reads thusly” “Those [or in M[sup]A[/sup] ‘And those’] remaining of the dead did not live until the thousand years were completed.” I do not know where the KJV translators got the “again” from, except perhaps that it is implied if they believed that the dead were to live after they were dead, however Jude indeed describes certain apparently living people as being “twice dead”! While it can be determined from the NA27 that A [the Codex Alexandrinus], M[sup]A[/sup] [the version of the Majority Text with comments by Andreas of Caesarea, who lived as late as the 9th Century – or as early as the 5th], and early Vulgate, Syriac and Coptic manuscripts include the verse – which the NA27 does not consider to be spurious – yet [the Codex Sinaiticus], M[sup]K[/sup][the Koine Greek copies of the Majority Text],the Philoxenian version of the Syriac manuscripts, and certain early Church Fathers all want the verse.
My other reasons for excluding this sentence truly belong in a commentary, however I shall summarize them here. The thousand years in which Satan was bound began at the time of Constantinus II, when the jews began to be excoriated and either driven out of the Christian nations, or at least marginalized and confined to certain districts later called ghettoes, and no longer having any political power. Many jews actually migrated out of the empire at this time, to places in Africa and Arabia and to the east, especially to Khazaria. This was the binding of Satan (the Adversary) in the pit, and Christian principles prevailed in Europe for a thousand years, during which time the rest of the Germanic tribes of dispersed Israel were converted to Christianity.
During the time of Charlemagne, the jews were admitted into the empire, but were still kept apart in ghettoes and for many centuries they were excluded from most trades and from the civic life which Christians enjoyed. Commencing with the so-called “Enlightenment”, and once jewish usury in league with greedy kings broke the feudal system, the jews began to gain power – supported by their usury and every other foul business which they engaged themselves in – and “Satan” has been deceiving the Nations ever since that time, but it is a process which took a few centuries to culminate.
Since there was certainly no resurrection of the dead during this period, I must deem this verse to be suspect – and follow those manuscripts which omit it – especially since it is not found in א , the oldest of the uncials we have here, and according to the NA27, the verse is wanting in Victorinus of Pettau (who died in 304 AD) who wrote and quoted from the NT even earlier than א is believed to have existed.
Note 10. If one accepts the text noted above in note 9, then ἀνάστασις (Strong’s number 386) may surely be translated “resurrection” here, however no historical witness supports such a rendering. ἀνάστασις is “I. active (ἀνίστημι) a raising up of the dead, Aeschylus. 2. a making men rise and leave their place, removal, as of suppliants, Thucydides … an overthrow, destruction, ruin, Aeschylus, Euripides. 3. a setting up, restoration … III. a standing orrising up … 2. a rising and moving off, removal, Thucydides … 4. a rising again, the Resurrection, N.T.” (Liddell & Scott). Otherwise, this thousand-year rule of Christians is being described as the first restoration of the children of Adam (as opposed to the children of the serpent). In ancient times, the serpent was the symbol of kingship (i.e. ANET pp. 263, 276), but not in Medieval Europe, where often the serpent was depicted as having been defeated in victory, i.e. the story of St. George and the dragon.
Note 11. See the note for ἀνάστασις at verse 5 above.
Note 12. A and M have “a”; the text follows א.
7 And when the thousand years are completed, the Adversary shall be released from his prison 8 and shall go out to deceive the Nations[sup]13[/sup] which are[sup]14[/sup] in the four corners of the earth,[sup]15[/sup] Gog and Magog,[sup]16[/sup] to gather[sup]17[/sup] them to battle, of which the number of them[sup]18[/sup] is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they had gone up upon the breadth of the earth and encircled the encampment of the saints and the beloved city, and fire descended from out of heaven[sup]19[/sup] and devoured them.[sup]20[/sup] 10 And the False Accuser who deceived them is cast into the lake of fire and sulfur where are also[sup]21[/sup] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night for the eternal ages.
Note 13. א has “all the nations”.
Note 14. א wants the article rendered “which are” here.
Note 15. א wants “of the earth”.
Note 16. See Genesis 10:2; Ezekiel Chapters 38 & 39.
Note 17. א and M[sup]A[/sup] have “and to gather”.
Note 18. M[sup]A[/sup] wants “of them”.
Note 19. M has “from Yahweh from out of heaven”; the text follows A. א has an omission which the NA27 attributes to a scribal error.
Note 20. See II Kings 1:10, 12; Ezek. 38:21-23.
Note 21. א and M[sup]A[/sup] want “also”.
XX 11 And I saw a great white throne and He sitting upon it, from whose presence the earth and the heaven had fled, and a place is not found for them. 12And I saw the dead: the great ones and the small ones, standing before the throne. And books had been opened, and another book was opened, which is that of life, and the dead were judged from out of the things written in the books according to their works. 13 And the sea had given over those dead who were[sup]22[/sup] in it, and Death and Hades had given over those who were in them, and each are judged[sup]23[/sup] according to their works. 14 And Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire. This[sup]24[/sup] is the second death: the lake of fire.[sup]25[/sup] 15 And if one is not found written in the book of life, he is cast into the lake of fire.[sup]26[/sup]
Note 22. M[sup]A[/sup] wants the articles rendered “who were” twice here.
Note 23. א has “are sentenced”, κατακρίνω (2632) rather than κρίνω (2919).
Note 24. א has “And this”.
Note 25. M[sup]A[/sup] wants “This is the second death, the lake of fire”, although the A.V. has part of the clause.
Note 26. See Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43; 25:31-46.
The Greek Text of Revelation 20:
1 καὶ εἶδον ἄγγελον καταβαίνοντα ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ, ἔχοντα τὴν κλεῖν τῆς ἀβύσσου καὶ ἅλυσιν μεγάλην ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ.
2 καὶ ἐκράτησεν τὸν δράκοντα, ὁ ὄφις ὁ ἀρχαῖος, ὅς ἐστιν διάβολος καὶ ὁ σατανᾶς, καὶ ἔδησεν αὐτὸν χίλια ἔτη,
3 καὶ ἔβαλεν αὐτὸν εἰς τὴν ἄβυσσον καὶ ἔκλεισεν καὶ ἐσφράγισεν ἐπάνω αὐτοῦ ἵνα μὴ πλανήσῃ ἔτι τὰ ἔθνη ἄχρι τελεσθῇ τὰ χίλια ἔτη· μετὰ ταῦτα δεῖ λυθῆναι αὐτὸν μικρὸν χρόνον.
4 καὶ εἶδον θρόνους, καὶ ἐκάθισαν ἐπ᾽ αὐτούς, καὶ κρίμα ἐδόθη αὐτοῖς, καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων διὰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν ἰησοῦ καὶ διὰ τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ, καὶ οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν τὸ θηρίον οὐδὲ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ καὶ οὐκ ἔλαβον τὸ χάραγμα ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτῶν· καὶ ἔζησαν καὶ ἐβασίλευσαν μετὰ τοῦ χριστοῦ χίλια ἔτη.
5 [[οἱ λοιποὶ τῶν νεκρῶν οὐκ ἔζησαν ἄχρι τελεσθῇ τὰ χίλια ἔτη.]] αὕτη ἡ ἀνάστασις ἡ πρώτη.
6 μακάριος καὶ ἅγιος ὁ ἔχων μέρος ἐν τῇ ἀναστάσει τῇ πρώτῃ· ἐπὶ τούτων ὁ δεύτερος θάνατος οὐκ ἔχει ἐξουσίαν, ἀλλ᾽ ἔσονται ἱερεῖς τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ χριστοῦ, καὶ βασιλεύσουσιν μετ᾽ αὐτοῦ [τὰ] χίλια ἔτη.
7 καὶ ὅταν τελεσθῇ τὰ χίλια ἔτη, λυθήσεται ὁ σατανᾶς ἐκ τῆς φυλακῆς αὐτοῦ,
8 καὶ ἐξελεύσεται πλανῆσαι τὰ ἔθνη τὰ ἐν ταῖς τέσσαρσιν γωνίαις τῆς γῆς, τὸν γὼγ καὶ μαγώγ, συναγαγεῖν αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸν πόλεμον, ὧν ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτῶν ὡς ἡ ἄμμος τῆς θαλάσσης.
9 καὶ ἀνέβησαν ἐπὶ τὸ πλάτος τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐκύκλευσαν τὴν παρεμβολὴν τῶν ἁγίων καὶ τὴν πόλιν τὴν ἠγαπημένην. καὶ κατέβη πῦρ ἐκ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ κατέφαγεν αὐτούς·
10 καὶ ὁ διάβολος ὁ πλανῶν αὐτοὺς ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρὸς καὶ θείου, ὅπου καὶ τὸ θηρίον καὶ ὁ ψευδοπροφήτης, καὶ βασανισθήσονται ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων.
11 καὶ εἶδον θρόνον μέγαν λευκὸν καὶ τὸν καθήμενον ἐπ᾽ αὐτόν, οὖ ἀπὸ τοῦ προσώπου ἔφυγεν ἡ γῆ καὶ ὁ οὐρανός, καὶ τόπος οὐχ εὑρέθη αὐτοῖς.
12 καὶ εἶδον τοὺς νεκρούς, τοὺς μεγάλους καὶ τοὺς μικρούς, ἑστῶτας ἐνώπιον τοῦ θρόνου, καὶ βιβλία ἠνοίχθησαν· καὶ ἄλλο βιβλίον ἠνοίχθη, ὅ ἐστιν τῆς ζωῆς· καὶ ἐκρίθησαν οἱ νεκροὶ ἐκ τῶν γεγραμμένων ἐν τοῖς βιβλίοις κατὰ τὰ ἔργα αὐτῶν.
13 καὶ ἔδωκεν ἡ θάλασσα τοὺς νεκροὺς τοὺς ἐν αὐτῇ, καὶ ὁ θάνατος καὶ ὁ ᾅδης ἔδωκαν τοὺς νεκροὺς τοὺς ἐν αὐτοῖς, καὶ ἐκρίθησαν ἕκαστος κατὰ τὰ ἔργα αὐτῶν.
14 καὶ ὁ θάνατος καὶ ὁ ᾅδης ἐβλήθησαν εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρός. οὖτος ὁ θάνατος ὁ δεύτερός ἐστιν, ἡ λίμνη τοῦ πυρός.
15 καὶ εἴ τις οὐχ εὑρέθη ἐν τῇ βίβλῳ τῆς ζωῆς γεγραμμένος ἐβλήθη εἰς τὴν λίμνην τοῦ πυρός.

veteran · Sep 27, 2011

Israelsson said:
Revelation Chapter 20 - October 18th Voice of Christian Israel Program Notes - William Finck with Clifton Emahiser
XX 1 And I saw a messenger descending from out of heaven[sup]1[/sup] having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he held fast the dragon, that serpent of old, who[sup]2[/sup] is the False Accuser and the Adversary [sup]3[/sup], and he bound him for a thousand years 3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and barred[sup]4[/sup] and set a seal upon it, that he may no longer[sup]5[/sup] deceive the Nations, until the thousand years should be completed. After[sup]6[/sup] these it is necessary for him to be released for a short time. [Genesis 3 Serpent, Revelation 12 Dragon & Serpent = Canaanite-Edomite Jews.]

First mistake - Rev.12:7 and 20:2 refer to Satan himself as that dragon and serpent, not Canaanites or Idumeans.

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And I saw thrones, and they who sat upon them, and judgment had been given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded on account of the testimony of Yahshua and on account of the Word of Yahweh and who did not worship the beast nor his image and did not receive the inscribed mark upon their[sup]7[/sup] foreheads and upon their hands. And they lived and ruled with Christ[sup]8[/sup] for a thousand years. [The jews attempted to destroy Christianity, and used the Romans to persecute them. But the testimony of the Christian martyrs prevailed over the jews! Once Christianity became the religion of Europe, the jew was more or less ejected from mainstream society, had no power over Christians, was forced to live in ghettoes, and Christian law became dominant.]

2nd Mistake - None of these verses have taken place yet. So it would be easy to try... and assign them to any kind of history one wanted, but it would still be going totally against the Scripture context itself, which is done there. The Scripture point about the saints living and ruling with Christ for a thousand years includes Bible Scripture about Christ's literal bodily return and reign on earth, with His elect. The Book of Ezekiel covers it also, as do the Psalms, and as does Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Christ Himself in The Gospel Books, which makes it impossible to apply these verses to any time without His direct bodily Presence being here on earth.

The rest is more useless supposition, since the Scripture context has been left already at the first.

BibleScribe · Sep 27, 2011

Israelsson said:
... I personally think that 'looking forward' towards this 1000 years is fruitless. ..

I would propose that the most significant aspect of this chapter to the short term, is where the Church expects a tribulation era rapture, this Chapter defines two points:

#1. The only people who return with Jesus shall be those who are martyred for not receiving the mark of the beast. Thus tribulation era rapture proponents who insist that they will return to reign with Christ for the thousand years are proven incorrect in their theology.

#2. This chapter also clarifies that the dead are not raised until the thousand years are ended. Thus where the "dead shall rise first" (after the thousand years), we should recognize that the living shall follow (by rapture) also subsequent to the thousand years.

Thus it should become apparent that when the earth has completed it's 7,000 year mission, those who are alive and remain on earth shall be caught up to the New Jerusalem to live for eternity. -- Or else, we may need a whole lot of space shuttles.

BibleScribe

PS Although it's a popular concept, I find absolutely NO evidence that supports a ~rejuvenated~ earth, but quite the opposite, for Scripture says the heavens and the earth shall pass away.

Israelsson · Sep 27, 2011

My only question then, I suppose, would be, how do we know that these events in Revelation haven't happened yet? Its not our job to look into the future and try and predict things that are going to happen, rather, we should look at things that come to pass and hold them to the relevance found in scripture.

I really don't understand how this is taken out of context, I think you believe Satan to be a single entity, the one that sits on our shoulders tempting us with our flesh? Satan, literally means adversary. And this 'Sawtawn' is Luciferian by birth. You must keep all scripture in context, with itself. There are, and should not be, any separate teachings within scripture.

Now if you look at scripture from a dual seedline POV, it all falls into place. Its not as if we sit around looking for ways to make people angry. On the contrary, we only wish to share this feeling of great truth with our fellow kinsmen.

If you don't understand this fundamental concept, or are just incapable of seeing it because you aren't chosen by Jesus to have 'eyes to see and ears to hear', then there is substantial cause for you to argue. But anyone who questions the world we live in today while the 'Church' falls away from biblical truth, that sees that world governments are corrupt, and might seek answers away from the humanistic POV in the world today.

Its the same thing with the Jesus/God controversy, you either see it one way or you see it the right way. Only Jesus determines whether you are going to have understanding.

The above period of time is in Europe, obviously, between 1 AD and 1000 AD. Proven by the writings and findings of the people in that era. Seen in the architecture and design of the structures found, the clothing worn, and the emblems used. It is very obvious that these people were indeed Israelites, and that they had been planted there by God.

In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York's Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world's greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.

They state, in their OWN writings, that modern jewry is from Edom. We know from scripture, Genesis 36:1 "Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom."

We know that God hates Esau. (Malachi 1:3 "And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness." Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.")

It is told that Esau married Canaanite-Hittite women (Gen. 26:34; cf. 36:2). Thus creating a new hybrid race of Edomite/Canaanite peoples. These people became the Khazars, who call themselves Jews.

Edom is an ETERNAL enemy of Israel, the white race, Ezekiel 35:5 'Because thou hast HAD A PERPETUAL HATRED, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end."

The Canaanites have long had a deep hatred for Israelites as well, fitting of course, they are of the Kenites, who are descended from Cain. Which, a dual seedliner understands, Cain is the literal seed of the serpent, or Nachash. And has an eternal enmity between his offspring and the offspring of Eve.

Knowing these things, how can one not see and understand something as beautiful as this? To understand that you are part of a chosen people and that through your actions and your children, and generations on, the kingdom of God can be established on this earth. I don't mind if you belittle me, or hate me, or attempt to disprove anything I've put forth. In the end, it is not our place to decide who is right, we can only faithfully walk in the way Jesus commands, and trust that any wisdom He has given you is the truth.

Israelsson · Sep 27, 2011

BibleScribe said:
I would propose that the most significant aspect of this chapter to the short term, is where the Church expects a tribulation era rapture, this Chapter defines two points:

#1. The only people who return with Jesus shall be those who are martyred for not receiving the mark of the beast. Thus tribulation era rapture proponents who insist that they will return to reign with Christ for the thousand years are proven incorrect in their theology.

#2. This chapter also clarifies that the dead are not raised until the thousand years are ended. Thus where the "dead shall rise first" (after the thousand years), we should recognize that the living shall follow (by rapture) also subsequent to the thousand years.

Thus it should become apparent that when the earth has completed it's 7,000 year mission, those who are alive and remain on earth shall be caught up to the New Jerusalem to live for eternity. -- Or else, we may need a whole lot of space shuttles.

BibleScribe

PS Although it's a popular concept, I find absolutely NO evidence that supports a ~rejuvenated~ earth, but quite the opposite, for Scripture says the heavens and the earth shall pass away.

Yeah, but we are also told there will be a new heavens and a new earth. Revelation 21:1 Also, when Jesus speaks thusly, 'Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.' Matt 24:35 He is referring to His Word, His everything never passing. For if God could pass away, then He would not be eternal. This teaching is backed up in Matt 5:18 when Jesus says 'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.' Throughout scripture we learn that God is eternal in all things, and that we can expect to pass away than to see Him turn back from existing.

Israelsson said:
Yeah, but we are also told there will be a new heavens and a new earth. Revelation 21:1 Also, when Jesus speaks thusly, 'Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.' Matt 24:35 He is referring to His Word, His everything never passing. For if God could pass away, then He would not be eternal. This teaching is backed up in Matt 5:18 when Jesus says 'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.' Throughout scripture we learn that God is eternal in all things, and that we can expect to pass away than to see Him turn back from existing.

He is teaching that the Law is forever established in His people, Israel.

BibleScribe · Sep 27, 2011

Israelsson said:
Yeah, but we are also told there will be a new heavens and a new earth. ...

I think this is the New Jerusalem. -- And food for thought, if the New Jerusalem is 1,500 mi x 1,500 mi x 1,500 mi, do think GOD actually made a "Borg" cube? No, -- God makes spheres, and a 1,500 diameter sphere is that dimension in all three axes.

BibleScribe

revturmoil · Sep 27, 2011

how do we know that these events in Revelation haven't happened yet? Its not our job to look into the future and try and predict things that are going to happen, rather, we should look at things that come to pass and hold them to the relevance found in scripture.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

These things are hardly worth discussing. Maybe you belong on a preterist forum too!

Israelsson · Sep 27, 2011

BibleScribe said:
I think this is the New Jerusalem. -- And food for thought, if the New Jerusalem is 1,500 mi x 1,500 mi x 1,500 mi, do think GOD actually made a "Borg" cube? No, -- God makes spheres, and a 1,500 diameter sphere is that dimension in all three axes.

BibleScribe

New JerUSAlem

Israelsson · Sep 27, 2011

I find it difficult to understand why so many people that profess to be Christians, are so hasty in their decision to 'label' someone. I've heard nearly all of them, racist, bigot, anti-semite, And for me that is okay, for Christ said "All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matt 10:22

If what I profess to be true, and provide scripture for proof, despite whether it is 'fair' or not. Or whether it fits with the ideology you've had your entire life, it is still Truth. And to deny that truth when it is obvious through study of language, history, archaeology, scripture, and everyday life is anti-Christian. Christs Words should be our everything, and we should do all we can to understand those Words.

BibleScribe · Sep 27, 2011

Israelsson said:
New JerUSAlem

Hi Israelsson,

Many people see a ~monkey in the mountain~, an ~elephant in the clouds~, or a ~man's face on Mars~. The human mind is a wonder thing, imagining all those fanciful associations. But when our brain joins the real world, we know what was seen is purely imagination.

So to the "USA" inference which you cited, or the name "Sal", or the name "Rus" or the category "Us".

However, if you want to find that the United States is mentioned multiple times for events in the 1900's to 2000's, then we do not need fanciful imaginations, for GOD has defined those events and those nations. The only difference is that the real world may take slightly more work to resolve than the ~monkey in the mountain~.

BibleScribe

veteran · Sep 28, 2011

Israelsson said:
My only question then, I suppose, would be, how do we know that these events in Revelation haven't happened yet? Its not our job to look into the future and try and predict things that are going to happen, rather, we should look at things that come to pass and hold them to the relevance found in scripture.

It's not for us to proclaim ourselves as prophets, that idea is true, for everything is already written. Christ said He has foretold us all things, meaning all that's to occur is already written (Mark 13; Luke 21:22). And He commanded His servants to 'watch', which is about watching and interpreting the signs written in those prophecies. Looking for those signs, watching for them BEFORE they come to pass, and then marking them as they come to pass, is not the idea of giving any new prophecy. That's not about any such 'prediction' idea. It's about 'interpretation' and understanding the prophecies.

I really don't understand how this is taken out of context, I think you believe Satan to be a single entity, the one that sits on our shoulders tempting us with our flesh? Satan, literally means adversary. And this 'Sawtawn' is Luciferian by birth. You must keep all scripture in context, with itself. There are, and should not be, any separate teachings within scripture.

You know, God showed in Isaiah 28 how the supposed learned of His people mocked His Word, saying that It was 'line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little' in a rhyming (per Hebrew). And then God said there that's exactly... how His Word would be upon them because of their mocking. And it would cause them to fall backward, be snared, and taken. That reveals they didn't want to stick to His Word as written. And by the confusion of the Talmudic sages and traditions of the Pharisees and Sadduccees, that's exactly what they favored instead.

What does that have to do with what you're saying that something or someone else is the "dragon" of Rev.12:9 and 20:2? Simple, those verses specifically declare... that the "dragon" entity IS Satan himself.

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

Rev 20:2
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(KJV)

That "dragon" and "old serpent" titles are specifically about Satan himself, and not anyone or anything else. Those Scriptures are direct statements of truth that requires one to either believe it as written, or to not believe it at all. Trying to apply those titles to anything or anyone other than Satan as an entity, means denial of that Scripture as written. So one who does that might as well just say they don't believe that Scripture, and be done with it.

Now if you look at scripture from a dual seedline POV, it all falls into place. Its not as if we sit around looking for ways to make people angry. On the contrary, we only wish to share this feeling of great truth with our fellow kinsmen.

I fail to see what importance that kind of idea has with those who deny that Satan is an actual being.

If you don't understand this fundamental concept, or are just incapable of seeing it because you aren't chosen by Jesus to have 'eyes to see and ears to hear', then there is substantial cause for you to argue. But anyone who questions the world we live in today while the 'Church' falls away from biblical truth, that sees that world governments are corrupt, and might seek answers away from the humanistic POV in the world today.

That fails to establish any point dealing with the Rev.20 Scripture. Having eyes to see, and ears to hear definitely involves an understanding about Satan as the cherub that covereth which God first created perfect, but then rebelled against Him in coveting His Throne (Ezek.28). It also involves understanding the time frame when he first did that sin. In other words, it gives greater importance to understanding why the "dragon" title is specifically a moniker for Satan himself.

Its the same thing with the Jesus/God controversy, you either see it one way or you see it the right way. Only Jesus determines whether you are going to have understanding.

The above period of time is in Europe, obviously, between 1 AD and 1000 AD. Proven by the writings and findings of the people in that era. Seen in the architecture and design of the structures found, the clothing worn, and the emblems used. It is very obvious that these people were indeed Israelites, and that they had been planted there by God.

I'm very aware that God scattered the majority of the ten tribes to the west, and they became the western Christian nations of history, fulfilling prophecy. But that had nothing... to do with the Revelation 20 time frame. The Rev.20 time frame is about events right after "the day of The Lord", and per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10, the "day of The Lord" is when Christ's second coming happens. It is still future, because it's also when ALL the wicked will bow the knee to Him. Last time I looked, the wicked have yet to do that bowing, but they will, as written. So is that a 'prediction"? No, it's a sign of a prophecy Christ gave through His prophets and Apostles, and it's a very easy sign to understand so as to know when it happens.

In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York's Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world's greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.

Still irrelevant to any kind of interpretation that Rev.20 is already history, except... for those being some of the ones pushing the false idea that Rev.20 is already history.

They state, in their OWN writings, that modern jewry is from Edom. We know from scripture, Genesis 36:1 "Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom."

We know that God hates Esau. (Malachi 1:3 "And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness." Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.")

It is told that Esau married Canaanite-Hittite women (Gen. 26:34; cf. 36:2). Thus creating a new hybrid race of Edomite/Canaanite peoples. These people became the Khazars, who call themselves Jews.

Edom is an ETERNAL enemy of Israel, the white race, Ezekiel 35:5 'Because thou hast HAD A PERPETUAL HATRED, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end."

The Canaanites have long had a deep hatred for Israelites as well, fitting of course, they are of the Kenites, who are descended from Cain. Which, a dual seedliner understands, Cain is the literal seed of the serpent, or Nachash. And has an eternal enmity between his offspring and the offspring of Eve.

Knowing these things, how can one not see and understand something as beautiful as this? To understand that you are part of a chosen people and that through your actions and your children, and generations on, the kingdom of God can be established on this earth. I don't mind if you belittle me, or hate me, or attempt to disprove anything I've put forth. In the end, it is not our place to decide who is right, we can only faithfully walk in the way Jesus commands, and trust that any wisdom He has given you is the truth.

None of that proves Rev.20 was history.

You might want to consider what the purposes are for the Preterist and Historicist doctrines that proclaim Rev.20 is either past history, and already in effect today. Don't you think those Preterist and Historicist doctrines lead towards support for the orthodox Jews with their plan to build a temple so false messiah can come to sit in it, all prior to Christ's return?

BibleScribe · Sep 28, 2011

veteran said:
It's not for us to proclaim ourselves as prophets, that idea is true, for everything is already written. Christ said He has foretold us all things, meaning all that's to occur is already written (Mark 13; Luke 21:22). And He commanded His servants to 'watch', which is about watching and interpreting the signs written in those prophecies. Looking for those signs, watching for them BEFORE they come to pass, and then marking them as they come to pass, is not the idea of giving any new prophecy. That's not about any such 'prediction' idea. It's about 'interpretation' and understanding the prophecies.
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To All,

The above is good advice. For what benefit is the interpretation of the seven fat cows and the seven gaunt cows, except that Joseph should take action?

And so too when we see begin to see the signs, that we also prepare both spiritually and physically, as GOD leads.

BibleScribe

revturmoil · Sep 28, 2011

Israelsson said:
I find it difficult to understand why so many people that profess to be Christians, are so hasty in their decision to 'label' someone. I've heard nearly all of them, racist, bigot, anti-semite, And for me that is okay, for Christ said "All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matt 10:22

If what I profess to be true, and provide scripture for proof, despite whether it is 'fair' or not. Or whether it fits with the ideology you've had your entire life, it is still Truth. And to deny that truth when it is obvious through study of language, history, archaeology, scripture, and everyday life is anti-Christian. Christs Words should be our everything, and we should do all we can to understand those Words.

I'll bet your buddy 'Envolve' sent you here. What you call scriptural proof attempts to debunk the prophetic Word of God. It denies the purpose of (end-time) prophecy, the power of God's fore-knowledge, and the blessings we have to be made aware of it.

God would not omit the most troublesome times ever to come upon mankind just prior to Jesus return. He did not fail to warn us but chose to make us aware of the times we would endure before the blessed Day of the Lord. I hope you and your false teachings get banned from the forum!

BibleScribe · Sep 28, 2011

kaoticprofit said:
... I hope you and your false teachings get banned from the forum!

I wonder if slanderers should be equally treated.

BibleScribe

Israelsson · Sep 29, 2011

veteran said:
It's not for us to proclaim ourselves as prophets, that idea is true, for everything is already written. Christ said He has foretold us all things, meaning all that's to occur is already written (Mark 13; Luke 21:22). And He commanded His servants to 'watch', which is about watching and interpreting the signs written in those prophecies. Looking for those signs, watching for them BEFORE they come to pass, and then marking them as they come to pass, is not the idea of giving any new prophecy. That's not about any such 'prediction' idea. It's about 'interpretation' and understanding the prophecies.

You know, God showed in Isaiah 28 how the supposed learned of His people mocked His Word, saying that It was 'line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little' in a rhyming (per Hebrew). And then God said there that's exactly... how His Word would be upon them because of their mocking. And it would cause them to fall backward, be snared, and taken. That reveals they didn't want to stick to His Word as written. And by the confusion of the Talmudic sages and traditions of the Pharisees and Sadduccees, that's exactly what they favored instead.

What does that have to do with what you're saying that something or someone else is the "dragon" of Rev.12:9 and 20:2? Simple, those verses specifically declare... that the "dragon" entity IS Satan himself.

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

Rev 20:2
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(KJV)

That "dragon" and "old serpent" titles are specifically about Satan himself, and not anyone or anything else. Those Scriptures are direct statements of truth that requires one to either believe it as written, or to not believe it at all. Trying to apply those titles to anything or anyone other than Satan as an entity, means denial of that Scripture as written. So one who does that might as well just say they don't believe that Scripture, and be done with it.

I fail to see what importance that kind of idea has with those who deny that Satan is an actual being.

That fails to establish any point dealing with the Rev.20 Scripture. Having eyes to see, and ears to hear definitely involves an understanding about Satan as the cherub that covereth which God first created perfect, but then rebelled against Him in coveting His Throne (Ezek.28). It also involves understanding the time frame when he first did that sin. In other words, it gives greater importance to understanding why the "dragon" title is specifically a moniker for Satan himself.

I'm very aware that God scattered the majority of the ten tribes to the west, and they became the western Christian nations of history, fulfilling prophecy. But that had nothing... to do with the Revelation 20 time frame. The Rev.20 time frame is about events right after "the day of The Lord", and per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10, the "day of The Lord" is when Christ's second coming happens. It is still future, because it's also when ALL the wicked will bow the knee to Him. Last time I looked, the wicked have yet to do that bowing, but they will, as written. So is that a 'prediction"? No, it's a sign of a prophecy Christ gave through His prophets and Apostles, and it's a very easy sign to understand so as to know when it happens.

Still irrelevant to any kind of interpretation that Rev.20 is already history, except... for those being some of the ones pushing the false idea that Rev.20 is already history.

None of that proves Rev.20 was history.

You might want to consider what the purposes are for the Preterist and Historicist doctrines that proclaim Rev.20 is either past history, and already in effect today. Don't you think those Preterist and Historicist doctrines lead towards support for the orthodox Jews with their plan to build a temple so false messiah can come to sit in it, all prior to Christ's return?

Thank you for your post.

Satan is a literal being, that serpent, the dragon. We see the serpents first appearance in Genesis, the very serpent that seduced Eve, and helping her to beget Cain. If Edom(Jews) is an enemy of Israel and the Canaanites(Cains seed) hate us as well, then the serpents 'seed' is clearly at work here. Wouldn't that mean that Satan's seed would be known as Satan? Rather than look for a singular entity, couldn't an entire race of people carry these traits?

We know that in the 1st century AD, European countries successfully either deported all the Edomite and Canaanite Jews from their lands or confined them to ghettos. There is a reason for this, Jews love money. If they can control the very money we use to make a living, then they control our entire existence. Judas was a treasurer, and he was bought with money by the Pharisees. This is one reason that Jesus called him a devil. And Judas was CHOSEN by Jesus for this very purpose.

Today, thanks to the Jews that own all of the banks in the world, we live in a state of nearly totalitarian government and are being taxed with interest for the very money sitting in our wallets. How is controlling the banks and in effect the working men, not deceiving many? God provided everything on this earth that we would ever need to live, yet we have to work for other people? How does this fall into what God wants for His people?

Just because I post something, does not mean that I adhere 100% to that belief, it is there so that we may discuss it, and study in the scriptures together so that we may come to understanding.

If the Jews weren't allowed to operate in the governments or the finances of the Christian nations at that time, they would have been chained down and cast to the ground. They have long lived off of what the Israelites have produced, never once really producing anything of their own except for high interest rates! For a millenia our people were able to establish Christian laws and reign with Christ during that time in their own countries. When the serpent was told that he would 'eat the dust of the ground', it was referring to the Jews inability to grow or build anything substantial of their own. Adam was formed of the dust of the ground, so to eat of this dust would be to eat off what Adam is able to produce.

Through their usury and deception, they have tricked the world into believing that they are somehow superior to all others, and that we somehow owe them to live in a nation that was bought by the banks in Europe during ww2. To me, understanding that the Edomite/Canaanite Jews are Satan, helps to shed understanding on scripture, as it should.

kaoticprofit said:
I'll bet your buddy 'Envolve' sent you here. What you call scriptural proof attempts to debunk the prophetic Word of God. It denies the purpose of (end-time) prophecy, the power of God's fore-knowledge, and the blessings we have to be made aware of it.

God would not omit the most troublesome times ever to come upon mankind just prior to Jesus return. He did not fail to warn us but chose to make us aware of the times we would endure before the blessed Day of the Lord. I hope you and your false teachings get banned from the forum!

I don't know who you are speaking of, and if my words are false then I will pay for them on my own through the Judgement of Almighty God. I am not debunking anything in scripture, it is my contention that not ALL of Revelation is meant to happen in the future. It was the future for John of course, but not necessarily for us.

If I get banned, then thats okay with me, because if I am to be banned for teaching the Word of God, not twisting it to fit with my own worldview, then I would want no part of it anyway.

As I said before, with a name like yours, where Islam will dominate the world, you are an antichrist by the fullest definition. My words are not for you, and neither were Jesus'

veteran · Sep 29, 2011

Israelsson said:
Thank you for your post.

Satan is a literal being, that serpent, the dragon. We see the serpents first appearance in Genesis, the very serpent that seduced Eve, and helping her to beget Cain. If Edom(Jews) is an enemy of Israel and the Canaanites(Cains seed) hate us as well, then the serpents 'seed' is clearly at work here. Wouldn't that mean that Satan's seed would be known as Satan? Rather than look for a singular entity, couldn't an entire race of people carry these traits?

Answer: No.

Whether one believes the 'serpent seed' idea, or that as 'spiritual seed' (which is Biblical), Satan was who sinned in the beginning with coveting God's Throne, as he was created a cherub with the specific duty of guarding God's Throne (Ezek.28). That makes him the specific author of rebellion against God. And that's actually the type of distinction John is making in the 1 John 2:18 verse when he declares a singular "antichrist" in contrast to plural "many antichrists". The "many antichrists" have a head, and his name is Satan, also called "that old serpent" and "dragon".

We know that in the 1st century AD, European countries successfully either deported all the Edomite and Canaanite Jews from their lands or confined them to ghettos. There is a reason for this, Jews love money. If they can control the very money we use to make a living, then they control our entire existence. Judas was a treasurer, and he was bought with money by the Pharisees. This is one reason that Jesus called him a devil. And Judas was CHOSEN by Jesus for this very purpose.

Today, thanks to the Jews that own all of the banks in the world, we live in a state of nearly totalitarian government and are being taxed with interest for the very money sitting in our wallets. How is controlling the banks and in effect the working men, not deceiving many? God provided everything on this earth that we would ever need to live, yet we have to work for other people? How does this fall into what God wants for His people?

There has been a creeping in among God's people of Israel, as it's true that many foreigners took the name 'Jew' long ago, but that name was first applied only for those of the tribe of Judah, since that's where the word originates from. Problem is, just as the house of Israel (ten tribes) were rebellious, the house of Judah (Jews) fell into rebellion against God too, and He scattered both houses. But that's still a different subject than Satan being the "dragon".

Just because I post something, does not mean that I adhere 100% to that belief, it is there so that we may discuss it, and study in the scriptures together so that we may come to understanding.

Understand that. That's what I'm trying to do, show you some things you may have missed in your Bible study.

If the Jews weren't allowed to operate in the governments or the finances of the Christian nations at that time, they would have been chained down and cast to the ground. They have long lived off of what the Israelites have produced, never once really producing anything of their own except for high interest rates! For a millenia our people were able to establish Christian laws and reign with Christ during that time in their own countries. When the serpent was told that he would 'eat the dust of the ground', it was referring to the Jews inability to grow or build anything substantial of their own. Adam was formed of the dust of the ground, so to eat of this dust would be to eat off what Adam is able to produce.

As you dig deeper in God's Word, you'll eventually discover that a pretty good portion of Judah that was scattered among the ten tribes came to Christ Jesus also and believed. Many of them have been good Christian leaders through Christian history. So we shouldn't allow how the word 'Jew' is applied today taint that history.

Today, the word 'Jew' is used merely to point to the religion of the Jews, Judaism. Anyone... can become a Jew today. But in ancient times before their captivity to Babylon, it no doubt applied only to the tribe of Judah, since the Jewish historian Josephus said that's where the name originated from. He said it first began to be used for the small remnant that returned from the 70 years Babylon captivity to Jerusalem, and all living in the land began to use it also (like a foreigner moving to Texas becomes known as a Texan). Still that should never cause us to generalize all Jews as followers of the devil. In mid-evil times, because of how the orthodox Jews worked against Christianity, that's how many Christian leaders labeled them in the political sense. Doesn't mean they didn't contain a remnant of the true seed of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi like Apostle Paul and his brethren.

So although there's still a remnant of true Judah, Benjamin, and Levi among the Jews today, and they do work against Christ, doesn't mean those will remain that way, for like Paul said, they are enemies for our sake, so The Gospel could also go to the Gentiles, but they are beloved for the father's sake. For this reason God included them in unbelief, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (which is not complete yet today). And when Christ returns, as written in Zech.14, there will be no more Canaanites in the House of The LORD. We shouldn't forget that our Lord Jesus is going to do that separating at His return (Matth.25). So many of God's chosen of Israel, who truly think we Christians are wrong, but they actually do love God, will learn the Truth when Christ comes. And their ignorance and deception will be removed, and they will believe if their heart be true.

Israelsson · Sep 29, 2011

But when Christ returns, don't you think the time for living by Him is up? I mean, if someone has devoutly protested against Jesus for the majority of their life, will they have a last chance to repent or something? If that were the case, then there would be no form of punishment to even the wicked at the Day of the Lord.

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6

No mention of Gentiles here,although in Acts 13:14-52 Paul exhorts the "Gentiles who fear God", that they and Israel would be the only people receiving salvation.

I'll say that the word 'gentile' shouldn't even be in the Bible. This is because the word is neither Hebrew or Greek, but rather from the Latin word 'gentilis', which results in the English transliterated word 'gentile'. The etymology of this word is a derivative of the Latin word 'gens', which meant nation or race. 'Gentilis' was used to describe any person who was not a Roman citizen and probably used in a derogatory manner. Thus begins the strained secular principle of something not belonging to the original i.e. someone from another country, being incorporated into biblical language. The word 'gentile' has no etymology in Hebrew or Greek and therefore it is arbitrarily inserted into the English translations.

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What the translators did was to take the Hebrew word 'goi' or 'goy' (singular) and 'goyim' (plural) and the Greek word 'ethnos' (sing.) and 'ethne' (pl.) and put the word 'gentile' in whenever they could. The modern use of the word has come to mean non-Jew or non-Israel. This was not the intent of the Old and New Testament writers.

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'Goy' is usually translated gentile, heathen, nation, people or another, according to Strong's. The Hebrew word 'goy' is a collective noun meaning nation or sometimes a collective body of people. Actually, there is no such thing as 'a gentile' as it is always plural and never an individual person. 'Goy' has been translated 375 times in the OT as nation(s) compared to 30 times as gentile(s); less than 10% of the time, signifying that it is not the primary use of the word.

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It can be easily shown that the use of the word 'goy' (#1471) i.e. gentile and nation, are not interchangeable and in its first appearance in Genesis 10:5 we see an obvious inconsistency. It reads, "By these were the isles of the Gentiles [1471] divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families in their nations [1471]." It wouldn't make much sense to say "in their Gentiles" and it would make much more sense to say "the isles of the nation". It should also be pointed out that if the word 'gentile' means a non-Jew or non-Israel, it should not appear in Scripture at this point in history, because Jacob-Israel is several generations away from being born.

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Also, if you go by 'every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, then when you read that "This is the book of the generations of Adam" In Genesis 5:1. Adam was a term used to describe the appearance of the White race. If this book were about his posterity like it says it is, and we understand that the White race comprised the Israelites, and Jesus came ONLY for the lost sheep of this chosen White race of Israel.

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I have to disagree that any of the Jews today are even remotely close to the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel has been regathered, here in America, so the people that live in that accursed area are of little concern to me. I see through their veil that has been pulled over the eyes of so many good Christians.

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The Jews themselves, these Zionist/Satanist scum, will tell you that they are a race. Its only convenient that Judaism is their 'religion', thus can be justified for 'anyone to become a jew'. Have you ever read the Talmud? Studied the words of the rabbis themselves? Its disgusting and evil, and has no place even belonging in relation with our God. Judah became England, and is no longer in Palestine.

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Did the prophet Jeremiah (a Chief of Iber) die in Ireland?

Did he travel there in 583-560 BC from Egypt around the same time of the destruction of Jerusalem, with: the scribe Baruch, Ebed-Melech, Tea Tephi (daughter of Zedekiah & heir to the throne-line of Pharez), and the son of the king of Ireland who had been in Jerusalem at the time of the siege?

Did Jeremiah come to Ireland to build the nation Israel in the Isles of the West and to plant the royal line of David upon Israels throne in the person of Zedekiahs daughter, Tea Tephi?

Tea Tephi is the name of the most celebrated queen in early Irish history. With her the lion came into Irish heraldry, an emblem of the Israelites, but especially of the tribe of Judah. With Tea Tephi also a most remarkable 400 pound stone came to Ireland called the Lia Fail, or stone wonderful, or Stone of Scone upon which the Irish line of kings were crowned until about 500 A.D. Thereafter it was carried to Scotland and used as coronation stone there till 1296 A.D. Then Edward I carried it to Westminster Abbey where it has been ever since, until just recently when it was returned to Scotland, as the Coronation Stone of Great Britain.

Tea Tephi married the Irish monarch, Eiochaid, the Heremonn, thus joining the Pharez and Zarah branches of Judahs royal line, and from them through the Irish and Scotch line of kings one can trace the descent to George VI and show that Davids line did not lapse for Yahweh keep His covenant of salt. (2 Chronicles 13:5)

Was Jeremiah the elderly white-haired patriarch, sometimes referred to as a "saint," who came ashore in Ulster in Irish tradition?

Wasn't Jeremiah the grandfather of King Zedekiah (last king of Judah); and thus, God's Trustee of the Bloodline and the Throne of David?

From these sources we learn that about 565 B.C., soon after Jeremiah and the kings daughters disappeared in eastern history, there appeared in Ireland at Tara, the seat of the Irish kings, a remarkable and mysterious personage, a prophet named Ollam Fola, who instituted a school of prophets in Ireland. From the number of Hebrew words connected with this mysterious personage he is shown to have been a Hebrew prophet. The only Hebrew prophet who disappeared with any such mission as would take him to the Isles of the West, was Jeremiah, whose bust is in Dublin Castle. The name of Jeremiah remains everywhere in those parts even today.

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veteran · Sep 30, 2011

Israelsson said:
But when Christ returns, don't you think the time for living by Him is up? I mean, if someone has devoutly protested against Jesus for the majority of their life, will they have a last chance to repent or something? If that were the case, then there would be no form of punishment to even the wicked at the Day of the Lord.

Some obviously wish that anyone today who refuses Christ Jesus would go into the "lake of fire" at His second coming. But that's not how God's Word is written on the matter, for the "lake of fire" event is set for after... Christ's future thousand years reign. Something you apparently have not considered about those whom God blinded into unbelief is that HE did it. This is one of the subjects Apostle Paul taught us in the Romans 11 chapter about the blinded unbelieving part of Israel. Since God blinded them away from His Gospel Truth concerning Christ Jesus, then how could He hold them accountable to perish? Like Peter said in 2 Pet.3, God is long-suffering and doesn't want anyone to perish, but that all should come to repentance. This is one of the purposes of Christ's future "thousand years" reign with all the wicked and unbelieving bowing the knee to Him under His "rod of iron".

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6

No mention of Gentiles here,although in Acts 13:14-52 Paul exhorts the "Gentiles who fear God", that they and Israel would be the only people receiving salvation.

At the first, Christ told His disciples to not go preach to the Gentiles before He had finished His Ministry. But in final, Christ told them to go to all nations and preach The Gospel.

Luke 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(KJV)

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(KJV)

I'm aware of the word 'Gentile', but it doesn't affect Christ's command for His disciples to preach The Gospel to all nations.

You're wrong that none of the "house of Judah" are Jews today. You're simply being blinded by those who think all Jews are Israelite imposters.

Israelsson · Sep 30, 2011

veteran said:
Some obviously wish that anyone today who refuses Christ Jesus would go into the "lake of fire" at His second coming. But that's not how God's Word is written on the matter, for the "lake of fire" event is set for after... Christ's future thousand years reign. Something you apparently have not considered about those whom God blinded into unbelief is that HE did it. This is one of the subjects Apostle Paul taught us in the Romans 11 chapter about the blinded unbelieving part of Israel. Since God blinded them away from His Gospel Truth concerning Christ Jesus, then how could He hold them accountable to perish? Like Peter said in 2 Pet.3, God is long-suffering and doesn't want anyone to perish, but that all should come to repentance. This is one of the purposes of Christ's future "thousand years" reign with all the wicked and unbelieving bowing the knee to Him under His "rod of iron".

At the first, Christ told His disciples to not go preach to the Gentiles before He had finished His Ministry. But in final, Christ told them to go to all nations and preach The Gospel.

Luke 24:47
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(KJV)

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
(KJV)

I'm aware of the word 'Gentile', but it doesn't affect Christ's command for His disciples to preach The Gospel to all nations.

You're wrong that none of the "house of Judah" are Jews today. You're simply being blinded by those who think all Jews are Israelite imposters.

It just makes sense though, when you see that all of the evil in this world is owned and operated by the Jews in Israel. Zionists, it is their nature to do the things they do. It has become painfully obvious for many people, Christian or not, that the so called blessing of the world is not blessing anyone. Rather, they are bloodsucking leaches, drinking the life from the working people in other nations.

To not see this is difficult I would imagine. The media is owned by Jews with connections in Israel, the entertainment industry is owned by Jews, everything from music to porn. The pharmaceutical companies are owned by Jews... the list goes on and on. And we look around today and see all of these things providing vices and sin for Gods people to 'enjoy'. All of the eye-candy to build upon people their egos and vanity. Magazines are telling our young women how to be sexier, advertisements on the jewtube are full of sex filled innuendos and blatant sodomy and fornication(race mixing).

And the parents, many of which attend typical judeo-Christian churches, allow their kids to 'be themselves'. This is good for them says the psychologist, some Jew that gets paid to tell people that what they are thinking is wrong, and then gives advice on HOW to think. Kids in school are learning about sex earlier than 3rd grade now, and not from their classmates either. These fully sanctioned school events called 'sex ed' is now even exposing children to fags before they are old enough to even understand what their own penis is for!

Why does this need to happen? The public school system is one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Mark, a Bolshevic Jew. The Bolshevic Revolution was a major attempt of Khazarian Jews to take over the government, they have this innate desire to govern people through money and banking. Owning what other people have through their usury and interest rates. Yahweh, our God, commands us as Israel to not allow usury in our societies. Because of what will happen, its like eating pork, the bible tells us 6 different ways NOT to eat it, yet people still justify it away. Despite the literal truckloads of information that pork isn't good for you at all. Pigs don't sweat, so any toxins from the filth that it eats, will only be stored in its fat stores. And a lot of people use lard. Lard is even used in Little Debbie brand cakes and snacks.

The Illuminati, which is undeniably in existence, is comprised of mostly Zionist Jews. They practice Luciferian rituals and even hold mock human sacrifices. They believe Jesus to be Lucifer They worship Lucifer as God, and think that man was freed from Yahwehs evil grasp when the serpent gave them knowledge. They believe that through Satan, man was given intellect, and that we will transcend all boundaries we've had before in the coming years. Only after the planned destruction of many in the worlds population through the use of HAARP and Project Bluebeam.

These things are , the Jews control them, and every aspect of anything else we use on this earth. We are all slaves to a world banking government that is ruled by the eternal enemies of Israel, the Edomites. These are the 'children of their father the devil', the 'tares sewn in among the wheat'. The will be gathered by the angels at the end of the age and be cast into the furnace.

veteran · Oct 2, 2011

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It just makes sense though, when you see that all of the evil in this world is owned and operated by the Jews in Israel. Zionists, it is their nature to do the things they do. It has become painfully obvious for many people, Christian or not, that the so called blessing of the world is not blessing anyone. Rather, they are bloodsucking leaches, drinking the life from the working people in other nations.

To not see this is difficult I would imagine. The media is owned by Jews with connections in Israel, the entertainment industry is owned by Jews, everything from music to porn. The pharmaceutical companies are owned by Jews... the list goes on and on. And we look around today and see all of these things providing vices and sin for Gods people to 'enjoy'. All of the eye-candy to build upon people their egos and vanity. Magazines are telling our young women how to be sexier, advertisements on the jewtube are full of sex filled innuendos and blatant sodomy and fornication(race mixing).

And the parents, many of which attend typical judeo-Christian churches, allow their kids to 'be themselves'. This is good for them says the psychologist, some Jew that gets paid to tell people that what they are thinking is wrong, and then gives advice on HOW to think. Kids in school are learning about sex earlier than 3rd grade now, and not from their classmates either. These fully sanctioned school events called 'sex ed' is now even exposing children to fags before they are old enough to even understand what their own penis is for!

Why does this need to happen? The public school system is one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Mark, a Bolshevic Jew. The Bolshevic Revolution was a major attempt of Khazarian Jews to take over the government, they have this innate desire to govern people through money and banking. Owning what other people have through their usury and interest rates. Yahweh, our God, commands us as Israel to not allow usury in our societies. Because of what will happen, its like eating pork, the bible tells us 6 different ways NOT to eat it, yet people still justify it away. Despite the literal truckloads of information that pork isn't good for you at all. Pigs don't sweat, so any toxins from the filth that it eats, will only be stored in its fat stores. And a lot of people use lard. Lard is even used in Little Debbie brand cakes and snacks.

The Illuminati, which is undeniably in existence, is comprised of mostly Zionist Jews. They practice Luciferian rituals and even hold mock human sacrifices. They believe Jesus to be Lucifer They worship Lucifer as God, and think that man was freed from Yahwehs evil grasp when the serpent gave them knowledge. They believe that through Satan, man was given intellect, and that we will transcend all boundaries we've had before in the coming years. Only after the planned destruction of many in the worlds population through the use of HAARP and Project Bluebeam.

These things are , the Jews control them, and every aspect of anything else we use on this earth. We are all slaves to a world banking government that is ruled by the eternal enemies of Israel, the Edomites. These are the 'children of their father the devil', the 'tares sewn in among the wheat'. The will be gathered by the angels at the end of the age and be cast into the furnace.

I recognize that a lot of Jews are Communists today. I also recognize that a lot of them are not. I also recognize that a lot of Gentiles are Communists too, and a lot of them also are not. I recognize the same with some of all those also being involved in the occult, while a lot of them are not.

Aren't you forgetting that Esau was Jacob's flesh brother of their father Isaac, of the seed of Abraham?

Yet I do... recognize our Lord's parable about the "tares" and Jude's mention of the false "crept in unawares" with some of them probably knowingly serving and worshiping the devil.

But what was Christ's purpose for His "tares" parable to us? How did He show us to react to the existence of those 'tares'? He said to leave them alone, that they would be separated at the end of this world (Matt.13). We are to judge the 'fruit' produced, as He said we would know them by their fruit. So why would He reveal their existence if we are to not seek them out and destroy them during this world?

It's simple, we might make a mistake if we did that, as none of us can rightly judge who those "tares" really are today. Some obviously have decided to simply include all Jews as the "tares" when that is not true per our Lord Jesus. For He showed that with the very idea of tares growing among good wheat and not being able to distinguish the two while they're growing. He simply revealed for us to wait, and He would do the separating when He returns.

So by that, what's the greater lesson He was teaching? He was revealing to those given discernment that the "tares" are a necessary work for His Plan of Salvation during this present world time. He has ordained them for a purpose, which Jude 1:4 clearly reveals they were "of old" ordained to that condemnation. This is a mystery, for even in Joel 2 God reveals He is Who is sending the locust army for the last days. If we as Christians refuse to get that understanding, then we could bring all sorts of trouble and strife upon ourselves that our Lord Jesus wants us to stay away from.

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