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Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.


The law and the prophets... stopped being taught with John the Baptist.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He
would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 
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Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.


The law and the prophets... stopped being taught with John the Baptist.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He
would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Yes, the laws and commandments and ordinances of the Law of Moses have been obsoleted as we are not under that covenant any longer.
The Laws of God though are still in effect and are the ones given before the 10 commandments by Moses, and some are duplicates like adultery, sexual immorality, murder and the like. You can read of them written in Genesis. The sabbath day was given only to the Jews by Moses and was for them only as a religious observance. Saved believers already know to love God and the brethren, not be idol worshippers, do not steal, do not commit sexual immorality, do not lie, etc.
 

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Neither the 4th, nor any other of the Ten Commandments has anything to do with the liturgical function of the Levitical-Aaronic priesthood.

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The Scriptural Answer.

In the Epistle to the Hebrews we learn that Christ is a Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec and that the “Melchizedek” Priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ brought to an end the Priesthood of Aaron and His sons and successors in the Tribe of Levi.

The Lord sprang not from Levi but from Judah, and He would not be a Priest, if He were on earth. Hebrews 7:14, Hebrews 8:4. But God stated that the statute established and the laws made concerning Aaron and his sons were FOREVER.

Exodus 28:43, Exodus 29:28 and Exodus 30:21. What was the meaning of FOREVER? Until the veil in the temple was rent. The Aaronic priesthood has given way to the continuing Priesthood of One After the order of Melchisedec.

Read Exodus 21:6 concerning a servant that was to serve his master FOREVER. How long was that FOREVER? How about the FOREVER sabbath of Exodus 31:17 which the Lord Jesus took to the grave with Him? What folly then to force such a fanciful interpretation with the use of the word FOREVER.

The FOREVER work of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His once for all sacrifice and the perfect benefits of that perfect sacrifice for believing Israelites, (and believing Gentiles) according to Hebrews 10:12 and 14, is confirmed all through the Scriptures written concerning believers who were saved after the death and resurrection of the Son of God.

We wish our brother would study carefully Genesis 14:18, “And Medchisedec king of Salem brought forth bread and wine and he was the priest of the most high God.” “Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.” Hebrews 7:3.

Remember, Abram was an uncircumcised Gentile when He met Melchisedec, who represented the Priesthood of Christ in resurrection. Melchisedec, without beginning of days or end, of life, speaks of the eternity of Christ. This is something that is FOREVER in the sense of endless eternity.


You may disagree brother-missed you.
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Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
The Lord said the unsaved Jews worshipped Him “in vain” by teaching incorrect doctrine (Mt. 15:9), which means teaching correct doctrine (as we do) worships Him correctly. If teaching the commandments of men made for vain worship, then teaching the commandments of God would make for true worship. And Paul repeats the commandments!

But we worship differently in that the Jews were told to keep the commandments or be cursed (Deut. 11:26-28). We are told to keep them out of love, not fear (Rom. 13:8-10). If you love your neighbor, you won’t lie to him, steal from him, etc. And the love He showed you by not sending you to hell for your lying and stealing should constrain you to keep them (II Cor. 5:14,15).

But there were 603 other commandments in the law, many of them like the “touch not, taste not” of Colossians 2:21. Paul called them “the commandments…of men” (v. 22) because commandments of God imposed on people out of their proper dispensation become commandments of men.

But worshipping God by keeping His commandments involves more than just recognizing that some of the commandments of God are no longer in effect. It involves recognizing that God gave some new commandments through Paul. Circumcision was a commandment of God, so for Paul to say it was nothing, but keeping the commandments was everything (I Cor. 7:19), he must have been talking about keeping the commandments given to him (I Cor. 14:37 cf. I Thes. 4:2; II Thes. 3:6,12). Paul gave hundreds of commandments, and if you teach them you’ll avoid worshipping God in vain, for you’ll be teaching the commandments of God for this dispensation.
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The Laws of God though are still in effect

Yes, in the New Covenant that are known as... the Law of Christ

Law of Christ
The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).

He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.

By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

In light of this, Paul may have understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 

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None of that addresses when I was stating about Luke 16:16 being when the law stopped... and the Gospel of the Kingdom started being preached which is the New Covenant. Get it?
"Uppity" aren't you?

As to which nomos/entole are you referring to that "stopped?" The 10 D'varim?

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”

Some have tried to prove by this that the beginning of John’s ministry brought an end to the reign of law, the end of Israel’s Old Covenant. But this is not at all true. The law stood until the veil in the temple was rent at the time that Christ died on the cross.

Let us note Hebrews:

Hebrews 10:9 and 10

“Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Note again:

Hebrews 10:19 and 20

“Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the vail, that is to say, his flesh.”

Note again:

Colossians 2:14

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” Was it the Ten Commandments?

In these and other Scriptures we learn that Christ took the law [which law?] out of the way on the cross.

There were certain sabbaths given to Israel in connection with the annual feasts of Jehovah, mentioned in the twenty-third chapter of Leviticus, “Passover” on the fourteenth day of April, and in connection therewith the Feasts of “Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits,” then about the First of June, “Pentecost,” then in October, “Trumpets” followed by “Atonement” and “Tabernacles.” But there was a Seventh Day Sabbath given with the Ten Commandments, being one of them.

Concerning the Sabbath, Jehovah said “observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.” “A sign between me and the children of Israel forever.” Exodus 31:16 and 17. Which then is the sign of the Old Covenant, circumcision or the Sabbath? Both of them were taken away at Calvary.

Christ took Israel’s Sabbath to the sepulchre with Him. Under the Law Israel had the Sabbath but no rest. In Christ the believer has rest but no Sabbath. Since the giving of the Law there have been two places Divinely appointed, “Under the Law” and “in Christ.” You cannot be “In Christ” and “Under the Law.” To be “in Christ” is to be dead to the Law and not under the Law. Romans 7:4 and 5; Romans 6:14.

Which law?

III . . . THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT, BUT THE BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE.”
“The Lord Jesus Christ, which is our Hope.” I Timothy 1:1. “For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.” Hebrews 10:14. The Epistle to the Hebrews is the Book of “Better things. The word “Better” is used thirteen times in the Epistle. In and by Christ are the better things, the better covenant, the better sacrifice, the better resurrection.

The Law is just; but by the Law God could not justify a sinner. The Law is perfect; but it made nothing perfect.

The Law was weak through the flesh. Romans 8:3. The strength of sin is the Law; and by the Law the whole world is guilty before God. I Corinthians 15:56. Romans 3:19. “Because the Law worketh wrath.” Romans 4:15.

The Law was a yoke which neither Israel nor the Gentiles could bear. Acts 15:10. “They could not endure that which was spoken (at Sinai).” Hebrews 12:20. Man would have to be born with a sinless nature and be wholly rid of his sinful nature in order to perfectly keep the perfect Law of God. But man by natural birth is imperfect and wholly unable to perfectly keep God’s perfect Law, which he would have to do to be perfect, or prove that he was perfect. Christ did.

Does it mean the the Ten D'varim has "passed away?" or the 10 Imperatives? Since you find the 10 commandments all over the Pauline epistles.

The Law Misunderstood
by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam


There are three misconceptions that most people entertain about the law of God and its Ten Commandments:


Most people have a vague notion that the law always was in existence and that it must have been given to the first man, Adam, or soon after. Actually, God gave the law to Moses for Israel about 1500 B.C., after about 2500 years of human history had elapsed (John 1:17). So mankind lived on earth for about 2500 years without the law or the Ten Commandments.

Most people suppose that the law and the Ten Commandments were given to mankind in general, while, in fact, it was given to Israel alone (Deuteronomy 5:2,3).

Most people suppose that the law and the Ten Commandments were given to help us to do right. Even some clergymen teach this, although the Bible clearly teaches that they were given to show us that we are guilty sinners.

It is true that the law, while given to Israel, also shows the Gentile that he is a sinner. This is why Romans 3:19 says:

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought in guilty before God.”

But most important of all: Few people realize that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins to deliver us from the just condemnation of the law. This is taught in the following Scriptures:

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…” (Gal.3:13).

“For God hath made Him to be sin for us, [Christ] who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him” (IICor.5:21).

“For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE” (Rom.6:14).

Furhermore--

How Does Faith Establish the Law?
by Pastor Ricky Kurth


“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”

In this passage, salvation by “faith” is being contrasted to salvation by “works” (Rom. 3:27), the works or “deeds” of the law (v. 28). The law demands 100% righteousness to be saved (Gal. 3:10; James 2:10,11). That means to be saved by the deeds of the law, you would have to bend the law to say that God will accept people who are only 75% righteous, or 88% righteous, or even 99% righteous.

But faith in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins doesn’t have to bend the law, it establishes the law. Faith acknowledges that “the law is holy, and…just, and good” (Rom 7:12), but that we are “carnal, sold under sin” (v. 14). That is, faith establishes that there is nothing wrong with the law, there is something wrong with us. We can’t keep the law perfectly, so we must place our faith in the Christ who kept it perfectly for us, and then died a sacrificial death on our behalf.

It was because the righteousness of the law couldn’t be fulfilled by us that Christ “gave Himself for us” (Titus 2:14), that “the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us” by Him (Rom. 8:4).
 
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The Scriptural Answer.

In the Epistle to the Hebrews we learn that Christ is a Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec and that the “Melchizedek” Priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ brought to an end the Priesthood of Aaron and His sons and successors in the Tribe of Levi.

The Lord sprang not from Levi but from Judah, and He would not be a Priest, if He were on earth. Hebrews 7:14, Hebrews 8:4. But God stated that the statute established and the laws made concerning Aaron and his sons were FOREVER.

Exodus 28:43, Exodus 29:28 and Exodus 30:21. What was the meaning of FOREVER? Until the veil in the temple was rent. The Aaronic priesthood has given way to the continuing Priesthood of One After the order of Melchisedec.

Read Exodus 21:6 concerning a servant that was to serve his master FOREVER. How long was that FOREVER? How about the FOREVER sabbath of Exodus 31:17 which the Lord Jesus took to the grave with Him? What folly then to force such a fanciful interpretation with the use of the word FOREVER.

The FOREVER work of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His once for all sacrifice and the perfect benefits of that perfect sacrifice for believing Israelites, (and believing Gentiles) according to Hebrews 10:12 and 14, is confirmed all through the Scriptures written concerning believers who were saved after the death and resurrection of the Son of God.

We wish our brother would study carefully Genesis 14:18, “And Medchisedec king of Salem brought forth bread and wine and he was the priest of the most high God.” “Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.” Hebrews 7:3.

Remember, Abram was an uncircumcised Gentile when He met Melchisedec, who represented the Priesthood of Christ in resurrection. Melchisedec, without beginning of days or end, of life, speaks of the eternity of Christ. This is something that is FOREVER in the sense of endless eternity.


You may disagree brother-missed you.
J.

J, my Brother...

What happened to Shabbat Shalom?

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The Scriptural Answer.

In the Epistle to the Hebrews we learn that Christ is a Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec and that the “Melchizedek” Priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ brought to an end the Priesthood of Aaron and His sons and successors in the Tribe of Levi.

The Lord sprang not from Levi but from Judah, and He would not be a Priest, if He were on earth. Hebrews 7:14, Hebrews 8:4. But God stated that the statute established and the laws made concerning Aaron and his sons were FOREVER.

Exodus 28:43, Exodus 29:28 and Exodus 30:21. What was the meaning of FOREVER? Until the veil in the temple was rent. The Aaronic priesthood has given way to the continuing Priesthood of One After the order of Melchisedec.

Read Exodus 21:6 concerning a servant that was to serve his master FOREVER. How long was that FOREVER? How about the FOREVER sabbath of Exodus 31:17 which the Lord Jesus took to the grave with Him? What folly then to force such a fanciful interpretation with the use of the word FOREVER.

The FOREVER work of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His once for all sacrifice and the perfect benefits of that perfect sacrifice for believing Israelites, (and believing Gentiles) according to Hebrews 10:12 and 14, is confirmed all through the Scriptures written concerning believers who were saved after the death and resurrection of the Son of God.

We wish our brother would study carefully Genesis 14:18, “And Medchisedec king of Salem brought forth bread and wine and he was the priest of the most high God.” “Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.” Hebrews 7:3.

Remember, Abram was an uncircumcised Gentile when He met Melchisedec, who represented the Priesthood of Christ in resurrection. Melchisedec, without beginning of days or end, of life, speaks of the eternity of Christ. This is something that is FOREVER in the sense of endless eternity.


You may disagree brother-missed you.
J.

I may disagree, Brother. You know I missed you. :hearteyes:

Speaking of Hebrews 7, is anyone going to address the elephant in the room?

Amazing! Did you choose to NOT believe Hebrews 7:12 ???

It specifically says... the law was changed... and that would be the Law of Moses is out, and the Law of Christ is now in.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

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"Uppity" aren't you?

As to which nomos/entole are you referring to that "stopped?" The 10 D'varim?

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”

Some have tried to prove by this that the beginning of John’s ministry brought an end to the reign of law, the end of Israel’s Old Covenant. But this is not at all true. The law stood until the veil in the temple was rent at the time that Christ died on the cross.

Let us note Hebrews:

Hebrews 10:9 and 10

“Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Note again:

Hebrews 10:19 and 20

“Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the vail, that is to say, his flesh.”

Note again:

Colossians 2:14

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” Was it the Ten Commandments?

In these and other Scriptures we learn that Christ took the law [which law?] out of the way on the cross.

There were certain sabbaths given to Israel in connection with the annual feasts of Jehovah, mentioned in the twenty-third chapter of Leviticus, “Passover” on the fourteenth day of April, and in connection therewith the Feasts of “Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits,” then about the First of June, “Pentecost,” then in October, “Trumpets” followed by “Atonement” and “Tabernacles.” But there was a Seventh Day Sabbath given with the Ten Commandments, being one of them.

Concerning the Sabbath, Jehovah said “observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.” “A sign between me and the children of Israel forever.” Exodus 31:16 and 17. Which then is the sign of the Old Covenant, circumcision or the Sabbath? Both of them were taken away at Calvary.

Christ took Israel’s Sabbath to the sepulchre with Him. Under the Law Israel had the Sabbath but no rest. In Christ the believer has rest but no Sabbath. Since the giving of the Law there have been two places Divinely appointed, “Under the Law” and “in Christ.” You cannot be “In Christ” and “Under the Law.” To be “in Christ” is to be dead to the Law and not under the Law. Romans 7:4 and 5; Romans 6:14.

Which law?

III . . . THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT, BUT THE BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE.”
“The Lord Jesus Christ, which is our Hope.” I Timothy 1:1. “For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.” Hebrews 10:14. The Epistle to the Hebrews is the Book of “Better things. The word “Better” is used thirteen times in the Epistle. In and by Christ are the better things, the better covenant, the better sacrifice, the better resurrection.

The Law is just; but by the Law God could not justify a sinner. The Law is perfect; but it made nothing perfect.

The Law was weak through the flesh. Romans 8:3. The strength of sin is the Law; and by the Law the whole world is guilty before God. I Corinthians 15:56. Romans 3:19. “Because the Law worketh wrath.” Romans 4:15.

The Law was a yoke which neither Israel nor the Gentiles could bear. Acts 15:10. “They could not endure that which was spoken (at Sinai).” Hebrews 12:20. Man would have to be born with a sinless nature and be wholly rid of his sinful nature in order to perfectly keep the perfect Law of God. But man by natural birth is imperfect and wholly unable to perfectly keep God’s perfect Law, which he would have to do to be perfect, or prove that he was perfect. Christ did.

Does it mean the the Ten D'varim has "passed away?" or the 10 Imperatives? Since you find the 10 commandments all over the Pauline epistles.

The Law Misunderstood
by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam


There are three misconceptions that most people entertain about the law of God and its Ten Commandments:


Most people have a vague notion that the law always was in existence and that it must have been given to the first man, Adam, or soon after. Actually, God gave the law to Moses for Israel about 1500 B.C., after about 2500 years of human history had elapsed (John 1:17). So mankind lived on earth for about 2500 years without the law or the Ten Commandments.

Most people suppose that the law and the Ten Commandments were given to mankind in general, while, in fact, it was given to Israel alone (Deuteronomy 5:2,3).

Most people suppose that the law and the Ten Commandments were given to help us to do right. Even some clergymen teach this, although the Bible clearly teaches that they were given to show us that we are guilty sinners.

It is true that the law, while given to Israel, also shows the Gentile that he is a sinner. This is why Romans 3:19 says:

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought in guilty before God.”

But most important of all: Few people realize that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins to deliver us from the just condemnation of the law. This is taught in the following Scriptures:

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…” (Gal.3:13).

“For God hath made Him to be sin for us, [Christ] who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him” (IICor.5:21).

“For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE” (Rom.6:14).

Furhermore--

How Does Faith Establish the Law?
by Pastor Ricky Kurth


“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”

In this passage, salvation by “faith” is being contrasted to salvation by “works” (Rom. 3:27), the works or “deeds” of the law (v. 28). The law demands 100% righteousness to be saved (Gal. 3:10; James 2:10,11). That means to be saved by the deeds of the law, you would have to bend the law to say that God will accept people who are only 75% righteous, or 88% righteous, or even 99% righteous.

But faith in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins doesn’t have to bend the law, it establishes the law. Faith acknowledges that “the law is holy, and…just, and good” (Rom 7:12), but that we are “carnal, sold under sin” (v. 14). That is, faith establishes that there is nothing wrong with the law, there is something wrong with us. We can’t keep the law perfectly, so we must place our faith in the Christ who kept it perfectly for us, and then died a sacrificial death on our behalf.

It was because the righteousness of the law couldn’t be fulfilled by us that Christ “gave Himself for us” (Titus 2:14), that “the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us” by Him (Rom. 8:4).
The bad fruit of Ellen White and the SDA teaching that Sunday worshipping Christians receive the mark of the beast and will burn in hellfire.


Right here you know this is false teaching. This is why they hold onto the sabbath keeping so strongly.
They are not neutral about this particular day, as in its ok for some believers to meet on and keep Sunday as a day of worship.

They teach all Sunday worshippers are condemned to hell as they follow the devil, receive the devil's mark and they do not belong to Christ.
The truth is Sabbath keeping is a work of the law, and no one is justified before God by keeping the law.

Additional Reading: Selected Quotes from Ellen G. White​

Why are men not interested to know what constitutes the mark of the beast and his image? It is in direct contrast with the mark of God. . . .

John was called to behold a people distinct from those who worship the beast and his image by keeping the first day of the week. The observance of this day is the mark of the beast. . . .

. . . To receive this mark means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God. Of all who receive this mark, God says, “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.”. . .

If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God. . . .

But the seal of the living God is placed upon those who conscientiously keep the Sabbath of the Lord.—Ellen G. White Comments, in The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, pp. 979, 980.
 
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The bad fruit of Ellen White and the SDA teaching that Sunday worshipping Christians receive the mark of the beast and will burn in hellfire.


Right here you know this is false teaching. This is why they hold onto the sabbath keeping so strongly.
They are not neutral about this particular day, as in its ok for some believers to meet on and keep Sunday as a day of worship.

They teach all Sunday worshippers are condemned to hell as they follow the devil, receive the devil's mark and they do not belong to Christ.
The truth is Sabbath keeping is a work of the law, and no one is justified before God by keeping the law.

Additional Reading: Selected Quotes from Ellen G. White​

Why are men not interested to know what constitutes the mark of the beast and his image? It is in direct contrast with the mark of God. . . .

John was called to behold a people distinct from those who worship the beast and his image by keeping the first day of the week. The observance of this day is the mark of the beast. . . .

. . . To receive this mark means to come to the same decision as the beast has done, and to advocate the same ideas, in direct opposition to the Word of God. Of all who receive this mark, God says, “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.”. . .

If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God. . . .

But the seal of the living God is placed upon those who conscientiously keep the Sabbath of the Lord.—Ellen G. White Comments, in The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, pp. 979, 980.
Thanks for the heads up @Scott Downey.
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Thanks for the heads up @Scott Downey.
Johann
Here again that same false teaching from a different sabbath keeper website.

They will go through long dialogues, lots of word's in explanation of their belief, and the end result is the excerpt I quote here.

Excerpts,
God made the Sabbath, then, to identify himself to His people; that His people worship the Creator. But it also identified His people to Him.

Sunday-keeping is the day—the sign or the mark—that identifies those who are devoted to, those who worship, those who are branded, and owned by Satan the Devil.
 
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Here again that same false teaching from a different sabbath keeper website.


Excerpts,
God made the Sabbath, then, to identify himself to His people; that His people worship the Creator. But it also identified His people to Him.

Sunday-keeping is the day—the sign or the mark—that identifies those who are devoted to, those who worship, those who are branded, and owned by Satan the Devil.
Praise God we rest in a Person-Messiah and not on any given day/yom.
 
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Sunday-keeping is the day—the sign or the mark—that identifies those who are devoted to, those who worship, those who are branded, and owned by satan the devil.

Well, I don't go to a church building on Saturday or Sunday

SDAs are very cult like... they believe they are the only ones that are saved and all that disagree with them will burn in hell... oh, but then they are adherents to the false doctrines of annihilationism so they are letting us off easy! banana_dancing.gifcool1.gif
 

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And... did Jesus forget to tell us Christians are required to observe
Saturday as the only day of the week that is holy unto the Lord??? View attachment 40868

Jesus never taught this, and He never taught this thru His Apostles... so the claim that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath is a classic argument from silence seeing adherents of such have to manufacture this thru word play and clinging to the old covenant to make their claim.
Shalom, Big Boy Johnson.

Yeeshuwa` didn't NEED to teach it! It was in the Scriptures, and He obeyed the Law IN ALL POINTS! It was His Father's WILL! Furthermore, He was speaking to JEWS, who didn't need anyone teach it to them! They knew it since childhood! And, He was "not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

No, actually it was in the late first century through the third century A.D., that the "Roman Christians" started to ACCUSE the Jews of killing the Christ (forgetting that He died for THEIR sins, too, and that the Romans actually crucified Him), and to make a break with their Jewish roots.

No, you've been LIED TO THROUGH YOUR OWN CHURCH HISTORY! Furthermore, you should know that there were significant book burnings within that time period and those that followed. They PURPOSELY were trying to break the connection between the "Church" and Israel! And, you will only find this information in works by honest historians of the time. AntiSemitism, the prejudice against the Jews, ran rampant at the time, with the threat of excommunication at best and execution at worst to those who didn't comply!

The Holocaust Encyclopedia records,

"In the first millennium of the Christian era, leaders in the European Christian (Catholic) hierarchy developed or solidified as doctrine ideas that: all Jews were responsible for the crucifixion of Christ; the destruction of the Temple by the Romans and the scattering of the Jewish people was punishment both for past transgressions and for continued failure to abandon their faith and accept Christianity."

and later,

"For centuries the Church taught that Jews were responsible for Jesus' death, not recognizing, as most historians do today, that Jesus was executed by the Roman government because officials viewed him as a political threat to their rule. As outsiders, Jews were objects of violent stereotyping and subject to violence against their persons and property."

The Jewish Virtual Library notes:

'An attempt had been made to prevent teaching of the “second tradition” (δευτέρωσις) by Emperor Justinian in 553 (novella 146), and in 712 the Visigoths in Spain forbade converts to Christianity to read Hebrew books. The first condemnation of the Talmud to burning was preceded by a period in which new forces of rationalism had made their appearance in Western Europe as well as an upsurge of sectarian movements such as the Cathari or Albigenses. Such trends were countered with strong measures by the Church.

'In 1199, Pope Innocent III declared that since Scripture contained lessons too profound for the layman to grasp, Christians should rely wholly on the clergy for its interpretation. The Church also directed its attention to Jews as potential subversive elements. One outcome of the suppression of rationalistic tendencies was the burning of Maimonides’ Guide of the Perplexed at Montpellier, southern France, in 1233. The Guide was originally denounced to the Dominican inquisitors by Jewish leaders who opposed the study of Maimonides’ works. Although the connection between the burning of the Guide and the subsequent burning of the Talmud is tenuous, it set a dangerous precedent.'


So, any books that may have shown the early teachings of worship on the Shabbat would have been destroyed in their zeal to break the connection of the Church with the Jewish community, in favor of worship upon the First Day of the week, now called "Sunday."
 

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Well, I don't go to a church building on Saturday or Sunday

SDAs are very cult like... they believe they are the only ones that are saved and all that disagree with them will burn in hell... oh, but then they are adherents to the false doctrines of annihilationism so they are letting us off easy! View attachment 40972View attachment 40973
Shalom, Big Boy Johnson.

I'm curious; when do you associate with others like yourself in belief? We're not to "abandon the gathering of ourselves together," y'know.

Anyway, I'm neither Seventh Day Adventist nor Seventh Day Baptist. I'm a Messianic Jew, and I follow the traditions of the Nazarene sect in the 1st to 4th Centuries and beyond. I believe in the virgin birth, that Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") is the very Son of YHWH God, that He is also the Son of David, as David's rightful heir to his throne, and that He is the propitiation for our sins, having died on the cross as haKeves Elohiym (the Lamb of God), was buried in a borrowed tomb, and rose again the third day to live forever as the King of kings. Currently, He went away for a time to receive for Himself a Kingdom (Luke 19:11-12), and then to return and sit upon His throne (Matthew 25:31). He fulfills the Davidic Covenant, as prophesied by Gabriel to Mary in Luke 1:30-33. He is God the Word MADE FLESH (John 1:1-3, 12; not "put in flesh," therefore He was never "Incarnated"). He is now called "the SON of God," 100% a man and 100% the Word, and PRAYED to God His Father. He ascended through the skies ("heavens") and is currently in His Father's house (a TENT, in Revelation 21:3), the New Jerusalem which is currently πόλει θεοῦ ζῶντος Ἰερουσαλὴμ ἐπουρανίῳ, that is, polei Theou zoontos Ierousaleem epouranioo, "unto-a-city of-God Living Jerusalem above-the-sky" (Hebrews 12:22), preparing a place for us (John 14:2) which will land upon the New Earth after the Millennium (Revelation 20:1-Revelation 21:4). He also sent back the Ruwach haQodesh Elohiym (the Holy Spirit of God) to be the Comforter for His people, while He was away (John 15:26), but it was promised that He would return just as He left (Acts 1:9-11). We are accepted by God through the Sacrifice of His Son, exchanging places with us, so that the Son would be "sin for us, who knew no sin" that we might be called "the Righteousness of God in His Son" (2 Corinthians 5:21). Thus, He is able to JUSTIFY us and to DECLARE us His "Righteousness," not imputing our trespasses against us (2 Corinthians 5:19).

Wikipedia notes,

"According to Epiphanius in his Panarion, the 4th-century Nazarenes (Ναζωραῖοι) were originally Jewish converts of the Apostles[19] who fled Jerusalem because of Jesus' prophecy of its coming siege (during the First Jewish–Roman War in 70 CE). They fled to Pella, Peraea(northeast of Jerusalem), and eventually spread outwards to Beroea (Aleppo) and Basanitis, where they permanently settled (Panarion 29.3.3).[20]

"The Nazarenes were similar to the Ebionites, in that they considered themselves Jews, maintained an adherence to the Law of Moses. Unlike the Ebionites, they accepted the Virgin Birth.[21][22] They seemed to consider Jesus as a prophet, but other attestations from the church fathers might suggest that they also hold on the divinity of Jesus.[23]

"As late as the eleventh century, Cardinal Humbert of Mourmoutiers still referred to the Nazarene sect as a Sabbath-keeping Christian body existing at that time.[24] Modern scholars believe it is the Pasagini or Pasagians who are referenced by Cardinal Humbert, suggesting the Nazarene sect existed well into the eleventh century and beyond (the Catholic writings of Bonacursus entitled Against the Heretics). It is believed that Gregorius of Bergamo, about 1250 CE, also wrote concerning the Nazarenes as the Pasagians."


The person who lives by the Law, shall also die by the Law, but by God's GRACE, we no longer have to BE righteous; we ARE His Righteousness! Now, we only keep the Law in memory of what Yeeshuwa` the Messiah did for us in dying in our place. Why add more sins to His charge, which were already paid?! Remember: Every sin we commit is another nail in His hand or a thorn in His brow or a stripe across His back, so to speak! Why increase His burden because of our failures? We should live unto God because we are HOLY (set apart for Him) as He is HOLY, and because WE LOVE HIM WITH ALL OUR HEARTS, AIR-BREATHING BODIES, MINDS, and STRENGTH! We don't keep the Law to be justified by God; we keep the Law BECAUSE we are justified by God!
 

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Yeeshuwa` didn't NEED to teach it!

I know He didn't need to teach is... Saturday sabbath is obsolete under the New Covenant and has been debunked and is defunct. The REST the Lord provides under the New Covenant is an upgrade from what was provided under the old covenant.

And it's OK to call the Lord Jesus... you don't get any special browning points with the Lord by saying stuff in hebrew as this does not make you closer to the Lord than others.