Did Jesus Break The Sabbath

[BarneyFife]

Jesus never taught this, and He never taught this thru His Apostles... so the claim that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath is a classic argument from silence seeing adherents of such have to manufacture this thru word play and clinging to the old covenant to make their claim.

"Argument from silence?" You have got to be kidding. You mean like this:

And... did Jesus forget to tell us Christians are required to observe
Saturday as the only day of the week that is holy unto the Lord???

"Wordplay?" You mean like pretending the word "law" means whatever you want it to, regardless of context, like this:

Amazing! Did you choose to NOT believe Hebrews 7:12 ???

It specifically says... the law was changed... and that would be the Law of Moses is out, and the Law of Christ is now in.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

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[BarneyFife]

Is that it?
No offense, but...
I expected considerably more. ???

Here's what you wrote:

Isaiah 58 being freely available to them doesn't seem to equal...
"... everything He could short of coercion to promote proper Sabbath observance."

(not sure if you are okay with being quoted this way) ???

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No worries.
I concede the point (see my signature—"reserve the right").

It would have been better for me to say that Christ seemed to have had His hands full trying to correct the Jews' tendency to weigh down the moral law that was meant to be a blessing with hedging requirements that were intended to erect a safe zone/margin of error rather than just accepting the heart change that God had been pleading with them to undergo for centuries, which would have brought them into organic and peaceful compliance.

But it did seem that the Sabbath was the law that garnered the most abuse, possibly because it provided a scrutable target for a whopping 1/7 of time itself.


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[Big Boy Johnson]

everything He could short of coercion to promote proper Sabbath observance

Jesus did no such thing...

 

[BarneyFife]

Jesus did no such thing...

Jesus aimed at bringing the people back to a correct understanding of Scripture, with pointed focus on the practice of Sabbath observance.

Jesus was raised in a Jewish household. He grew up attending and participating in Sabbath services in the synagogue.

“And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as was His custom, He went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and He stood up to read” (Luke 4:16, ESV).

The synagogue was a place of religious instruction for Jewish communities that lived away from Jerusalem where the temple was. And on Sabbath, they gathered in the Temple or in Synagogues to worship and learn together.

So, Jesus often went to the synagogue or temple to teach (Mark 1:21). This is similar to what the church is for Christians today.

He also:

• healed the sick (Mark 3:5; Matthew 12:9-14; Luke 6:6-11).
• cast out evil spirits from demon-possessed individuals (Mark 1:23-27).

This annoyed the Jewish religious leaders. They considered these acts as violations of the Sabbath.

But Jesus asked them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” (Mark 3:4, NKJV).

He showed that any activity meant to save the life of both man and animals are not a violation of the Sabbath (Luke 14:1-6).

He clarified the fact that “it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:12, ESV).

On another occasion, His disciples were hungry on the Sabbath day. And as they walked through the grainfields, they picked some that were ripe and ate them (Mark 2:23-27; Matthew 12:1-8; Luke 6:1-5).

Again, the religious leaders were upset with Jesus and His disciples. They said this act was “not lawful on the Sabbath” (Mark 2:24, NKJV).

But Jesus pointed them to the story of David in 1 Samuel 21:1-9. He showed that we don’t have to deprive ourselves in times of necessity because it is Sabbath. Because this will mean the Sabbath will be endured instead of being a time of blessed enjoyment.

In the end, He emphasized that “the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27, NKJV).

And He went on to declare Himself as having the authority to say that since “the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!” (Mark 2:28, ESV).

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus clearly says what is His relation to God’s commandments as a whole, including the Sabbath. He says:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17, ESV).

As we’ve seen, Jesus had many conflicts with the Jewish leaders over Sabbath observance. There are some who say that through these incidents, Jesus gave us permission to break the Sabbath commandment.

But a closer look at these stories shows otherwise. Jesus was concerned with removing the many unnecessary requirements that were placed on the Sabbath by the religious leadership of the time. These requirements made God’s Holy day a burden instead of a delight.

And the conflicts were never on which day the Sabbath was. Neither were they on whether or not the Sabbath was to be kept. These things remained undisputed.

The main question was how the Sabbath was to be kept.

And Jesus clarified this for us.

To emphasize just how unchangeable and indestructible God’s laws are, He said that “it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void” (Luke 16:17, ESV).

The way Jesus’ followers handled His burial shows that they took Sabbath observance seriously.

First, the Jews asked that Jesus’ body should not remain on the cross over the Sabbath. And after it was confirmed that He was dead, two of His secret disciples—Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus—asked for His body.

They then prepared it for burial and buried Him in a nearby tomb (John 19:31-42).

Luke tells us that “that day was the preparation day and the Sabbath drew near” (Luke 23:54, NKJV).

Also the women who followed Jesus from Galilee went and saw where He was buried. Then “they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment” (Luke 23:56, NKJV).

And Mary Magdalene together with two other women who were devoted followers of Jesus waited until “the Sabbath was past” before going to Jesus’ tomb in order to anoint Him with spices (Mark 16:1, NKJV).

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[Scott Downey]

If I were trying to promote the view that Jesus was a lawbreaker I think I'd omit verse 7, which declared those who are "blameless" also "guiltless."

What exactly are they guiltless of here?

What a cat-and-mouse game we have going...

The machinations to avoid responsibility seems to have no bounds.

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Obviously God did not impute to them the sin of breaking the sabbath or the law. He declared them guiltless and blameless, even though they broke the written law. And David came after the Law was given by Moses.

Romans 4

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

 

[Scott Downey]

I was thinking of God's laws and commandments given before the Law or Moses was given to the Jews.
Came across this. And Christ was before the Law of Moses and after the Law of Moses.
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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[Scott Downey]

When Paul said that Jesus destroyed the laws that separated Jews and gentiles (Ephesians 2:15), the Sabbath would have been included, because the Sabbath was one of the main laws that separated Jews and gentiles. When the early church allowed people to live like gentiles (1 Corinthians 9:21; Galatians 2:14), they were saying, among other things, that it was not necessary to keep the Sabbath.

Yes, like that quote very much from the prior website.

The law of commandments and ordinances, is the Law of Moses, and does not apply to the laws God gave to man before the Law given by Moses to the Jews.

Ephesians 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

 

[ScottA]

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Did Jesus break the Sabbath law? Was Jesus healing on the Sabbath a violation of the Mosaic Law?

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No, but it is as He said:

Matthew 5:17​

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.​

He "fulfilled" it. He is our Sabbath, in Him we have the rest of God.

 

[BarneyFife]

Obviously God did not impute to them the sin of breaking the sabbath or the law. He declared them guiltless and blameless, even though they broke the written law. And David came after the Law was given by Moses.

Romans 4

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

This sounds a lot like your position is that Sabbath-breaking is the one sin that God can just keep on forgiving for as long as we can sear our consciences, and then some.

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[Big Boy Johnson]

I was thinking of God's laws and commandments given before the Law or Moses was given to the Jews.

That's correct since the gentiles where not God's people

The sabbatarians are confused... they claim sometimes that not observing Saturday sabbath is not actually a sin that causes a Christian to no longer be in right standing with the Lord... then, they turn around later and say it IS actually a sin.

SDA is obviously just for amusement purposes only and not to be taken seriously since observing Saturday sabbath is not taught in the New Covenant... not to mention they are in opposition to what Jesus teaches about unbelievers being tormented in hell for eternity with their support of the false doctrines of the annihilationism heresy.

Their entire religion needs to be reformed to get rid of these false doctrines they are peddling

 

[BarneyFife]

That's correct since the gentiles where not God's people

The sabbatarians are confused... they claim sometimes that not observing Saturday sabbath is not actually a sin that causes a Christian to no longer be in right standing with the Lord... then, they turn around later and say it IS actually a sin. View attachment 40880

SDA is obviously just for amusement purposes only and not to be taken seriously since observing Saturday sabbath is not taught in the New Covenant... not to mention they are in opposition to what Jesus teaches about unbelievers being tormented in hell for eternity with their support of the false doctrines of the annihilationism heresy.

Their entire religion needs to be reformed to get rid of these false doctrines they are peddling View attachment 40881

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[Scott Downey]

This sounds a lot like your position is that Sabbath-breaking is the one sin that God can just keep on forgiving for as long as we can sear our consciences, and then some.

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Sabbath breaking is what Christ also did.
The sabbath as a day of rest was given only to the Jews as a commandment and the apostles also did not require keeping the sabbath for gentile believers as Acts 15 says, no mention of the sabbath keeping requirement according to the Law of Moses.

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, [h]saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one [i]accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

 

[Scott Downey]

Scripture trumps sabbath keepers 100% of the time. Real believers in the Law of Liberty that Christ gave us are not old covenant keepers who follow the law of Moses..

What the Bible says about Law of Liberty

In preparation for Israel to enter the Promised Land, Moses repeats the commandments in Deuteronomy 5. The Sabbath command here has a significant …

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[BarneyFife]

Sabbath breaking is what Christ also did.
The sabbath as a day of rest was given only to the Jews as a commandment and the apostles also did not require keeping the sabbath for gentile believers as Acts 15 says, no mention of the sabbath keeping requirement according to the Law of Moses.

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, [h]saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one [i]accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

John 9:16
Therefore some of the Pharisees said, “This Man is not from God, because He does not keep the Sabbath.” Others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

You can't just say "Yes, it is," can you?

Who could've seen that coming?

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[Big Boy Johnson]

Scripture trumps sabbath keepers 100% of the time. Real believers in the Law of Liberty that Christ gave us are not old covenant keepers who follow the law of Moses..

Yessir, believers walking in the Law of Liberty consider ALL days holy unto the Lord as they have entered in to the Lord's REST of faith ceasing from their own works!

And the sabbatarians don't get it thinking this is claiming we don't have a job and don't work at all!

 

[BarneyFife]

That's correct since the gentiles where not God's people

The sabbatarians are confused... they claim sometimes that not observing Saturday sabbath is not actually a sin that causes a Christian to no longer be in right standing with the Lord... then, they turn around later and say it IS actually a sin. View attachment 40880

SDA is obviously just for amusement purposes only and not to be taken seriously since observing Saturday sabbath is not taught in the New Covenant... not to mention they are in opposition to what Jesus teaches about unbelievers being tormented in hell for eternity with their support of the false doctrines of the annihilationism heresy.

Their entire religion needs to be reformed to get rid of these false doctrines they are peddling View attachment 40881

It must be awfully convenient to hide behind corporate insults and claim to be innocent of ad hominem.

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[Scott Downey]

No Return to the Law​

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews?

People are only justified with God by faith in Jesus Christ, and not by works of the Law of Moses, specifically sabbath keeping law.


Galatians 2
11 Now when [d]Peter had come to Antioch, I [e]withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing [f]those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not [i]justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died [j]in vain.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Searching for 'keep the sabbath' only brings up Old Covenant references according to the Law given by Moses.
Before Moses, no such commandment given , and no such commandment given by Christ in the new Covenant.
Sabbath keeping was only for the OC relationship of the Jews and God.

The one verse in the NC is in John and it says Jesus did not 'keep the sabbath'

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: keep the sabbath

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[St. SteVen]

Matthew 5:17“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Jesus explained what he meant by this after his resurrection. (the Law or the Prophets = the books of...)

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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[ScottA]

Jesus explained what he meant by this after his resurrection. (the Law or the Prophets = the books of...)

Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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Yes, which came to complete fruition, after Jesus was "finished" with His work on the cross for salvation, during the times of that generation to whom He declared it.