That only means that you do not really understand what it means to be forgiven. To be forgiven is a state of being. It is not an on-again-off-again condition. Contrary to the concept of the RCC, one who has been forgiven does not become lost (unforgiven) again the very next time he commits a sin. Rom 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and [spiritual] death. You are not set free from physical death, because physical death is inherent to physical life. It is integral to the creation and applies to the saved and unsaved equally.
Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?
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TrevorHL
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Greetings PGS11 and Greetings again JBO,
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Trevor
Neither we or Jesus inherit original sin.
I disagree with your addition of "[spiritual]" death. Paul is speaking of physical death. In other words, those in Christ will be resurrected and granted eternal life.
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Trevor
Everyone dies. Everyone will be resurrected That is universal. Those Justified and regenerated have already been granted eternal life.
Dan Clarkston
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The "position" you speak of came from doctrines of demons and not from the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Who always leads people in to ALL God's Word... the whole counsel of God
Yeah, those listening to the devil have a perspective of error.
Well that's the whole problem right there.... one should listen to THE Teacher which is the Holy Ghost!
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
This is why your blah blah is not in line with what God's Word actually teachers
Claiming one having the lusts of the flesh is not sinful... is ludicrous and doctrines of demons.
Romans 8:10-14
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Real Christians.... have put to death the desires of the flesh thru submitting to the Holy Spirit.
Hang in their bud... maybe someday you'll get it!
TrevorHL
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Greetings again JBO,
Daniel 12:1-3 (KJV): 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
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Trevor
I consider that only a few will be resurrected, and even though the following says "many" I consider that this will be relatively few by comparison to the multitude who have lived. The rest have come under the sentence of death imposed upon Adam's descendants and will remain as dust for ever.
Daniel 12:1-3 (KJV): 1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
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Trevor
TrevorHL
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Greetings again Don Clarkston,
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Trevor
Yes, I listen to many speakers that I have learned to respect and trust on a whole range of Bible topics. I suggest that this could be part of the whole problem. You claim to have the Holy Spirit and but seem to fail to listen to others who have carefully studied and meditated and speak upon the Word of God. Despite the fact that you quote a few Scriptures, actually it appears that you rely very heavily upon your own thoughts and you come across with a nasty streak. Are you fair dinkum.
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Trevor
Dan Clarkston
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Those peoples are actually speaking the twisted lies of the devil that claims Jesus was siting around desiring to do evil and desiring to engage in sinful behavior.
These people have been blinded by satan and are reprobate as they accuse the Lord of wrong doing thus generating strife between themselves and the Lord causing them to be void of understanding
Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am anointed (sent by God) and shall deceive many.
In these last days... the vast majority of churches and preachers are teaching false doctrine and those with itching ears seek them out so they can get their ears tickled.
Those believing the lie that Jesus was siting around desiring to do evil and desiring to engage in sinful behavior.... seek to use this lie to justify their own desires to do evil so they can go from just having the desire to actually enjoy them some sinful behavior and claim they are still Christians.
Those being led by the devil think they are being persecuted when others reject their demonic "revelations" and call them out for the false teachers and deceivers that they are. They are the nasty ones.
Just like when Jesus called out the pharisees and sadducees for being of their father the devil, these people get all upset just like the pharisees and sadducees
No accepting the whole counsel of God is one of the earmarks of someone being led by the devil... and that ends badly. A word to the wise should be sufficient but rarely is.
1 Thessalonians 4:4
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Jesus knew how to do this and did it with perfection!
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shepherdsword
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When the scriptures say Satan tempted Jesus does that mean he was actually tempted? If not, how is that temptation. Please explain.
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
soberxp
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Because Jesus was always obedient to God's word, death and sin had no sovereignty on him.
shepherdsword
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You didn't answer the question. You misunderstood the assignment. How can one be tempted with something he doesn't really want? If he has no desire for it then that's not temptation.
Dan Clarkston
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It just means Jesus had the option and the ability to disobey God if He had chosen to... He could have chosen to sin just like we could choose to sin.
But, Jesus obviously rejected all satan's efforts to get Him to disobey God which is why Heb 4:15 says Jesus was tempted and yet He never sinned.
Temptation is like what the devil did with Adam and Eve... the devil presents an alternative point of view that is in opposition to what the Lord says in hopes that people will agree with him and in doing do they are disobeying the Lord.
Jesus had to endure being presented with opportunities to sin... and be steadfast in His decision to always obey the Lord.
Of course Jesus never wanted to sin... but that didn't stop the devil from trying to get Him to sin.
We should all be following Jesus' example when we are presented with opportunity to sin and do what Jesus did...
2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Dan Clarkston
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Nobody is required to obey your "assignments"
But you can ask questions if you'd like... just don't get all upset if they don't answer your question
shepherdsword
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Who's upset? I am just pointing out that his answer totally avoided the actual question. And answering that IS required if we are to continue to have a meaningful conversation.
I suggest you google "temptation" you seem to misunderstand what it means.
Dan Clarkston
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Well good luck forcing people to bow down and submit to your goofy "assignments"
Someone seems to be thinking more highly of themselves than they ought.
"Google" doesn't have the Holy Ghost nor is it God's inspired Word.
I'll stick with God's Word regardless of whether you like it or not seeing you are the one with comprehension issues
Feel free to gaslight others all you want... that tactic does not work on me.
shepherdsword
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I am simply saying that for a meaningful dialogue to take place questions have to be properly answered. I am just as required to answer his questions as he is mine. If not, how can a conversation continue? Stop making judgemental accusations that show your lack of maturity.
The problem is...you DON'T stick with God's word. Instead,you interject some notion you have dreamed up that actually contradicts the word. If you stuck to the word you would have to see that Jesus WAS tempted, yet He never sinned.
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
That's what the bible says
Dan Clarkston
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You started it!
That's what the demons continue to claim... but they lied!
That's what I was saying... Jesus had opportunity to sin (tempted) and he decided to NOT sin.
Some folk got a problem with reading comprehension
They don't know it cause... they can't understand what they are reading!
shepherdsword
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That's the best example of projection that I have seen in a while. OHHHH The IRONY.....
TrevorHL
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Greetings again Don Clarkston,
One of the problems with forums is that we gain some impression of a person's religious background and environment, and some of this is evident from some of their posts. I could be wrong here, but I can guess that you are either Pentecostal or extreme Holy Spirit Baptist or Evangelical. My impression is that you seem to claim to need almost total reliance on the Holy Spirit within, and do not rely upon hearing the Word of God expounded by faithful and careful scholars who have given their heart and mind to understand and meditate upon the Word of God. I am not sure if you have ever considered the difference between Luther and Muntzer.
Kind regards
Trevor
This is typical of your theme and your false accusation against those who claim Jesus had the lusts of the flesh and that he never yielded to them and he never sinned.
One of the problems with forums is that we gain some impression of a person's religious background and environment, and some of this is evident from some of their posts. I could be wrong here, but I can guess that you are either Pentecostal or extreme Holy Spirit Baptist or Evangelical. My impression is that you seem to claim to need almost total reliance on the Holy Spirit within, and do not rely upon hearing the Word of God expounded by faithful and careful scholars who have given their heart and mind to understand and meditate upon the Word of God. I am not sure if you have ever considered the difference between Luther and Muntzer.
Kind regards
Trevor
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soberxp
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Satan saw hunger as an opportunity to try to tempted Jesus, but Jesus did not succumb to physical weakness, so as a human being, Who can resist the temptation of hunger without thinking about eating quickly? even managed to get food. But Jesus didn't do that. Jesus would be hungry just as us, but he resisted Satan's tricks.
Because Jesus was always obedient to God's word, temptation,death and sin had no sovereignty on him.
As Jesus himself said, people live not only by food, but by the word of God.
Is it good enough for the question?
C
Matthew 4:1-4
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
We see He is quoting from the OT...
Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Christ was out in the wilderness for 40 days, you try not eating for 4 days and see if a piece of bread is a temptation to eat. they were real temptations and Christ being fully man hungered, and yet did not use what we do not have.
Matthew 4:1-4
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
We see He is quoting from the OT...
Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
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