Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

A lot of talk about the Nicene Creed making the rounds on social media this year. I, for one, think that’s a good thing.

Two perspectives:

”Don’t underestimate people in the church! They want the deep things of God. They are hungry for the Nicene Creed in worship. People like Cranmer could not imagine not saying the creed before communion.”

(Matthew Barrett)


(Bold is mine.)

Are they hungry for the Nicene Creed? I doubt that the average person in a congregation which doesn’t recite the creeds could tell us very much about it.

”Have you noticed how much time modern preaching spends on the personal life of the preacher and silly anecdotes rather than explaining the Word of God?

The modern church largely sees preaching as a TED Talk, comedy show, or motivational speaking. The mature Christian hates this style, but the immature Christian loves it.

But entertainment isn’t the purpose of preaching, though real preaching is never boring. Preaching isn’t a TED Talk or motivational speaking either. And this kind of preaching ultimately stunts the spiritual growth of the listeners, who believe they are being fed when in reality they are just skimming the surface.

The purpose of preaching is to meet God through His Word. Preaching is the God-centered, Christ exalting explanation of His Word. For Christians to grow, they must go deep into the Word. Anything less than that isn’t preaching.

It’s time to stop the entertainment schtick and laugh lines. And to put the Bible first. To trust in the sufficiency of Christ and His Word. If half the churches in modern evangelicalism did this, the spiritual fruit would be incredible.

What do you think?”

(Grant R. Castleberry)


(Bold is mine.)

What do I think? Do it.

“You can’t even start to pray without thinking of the Trinity.”

(Gavin Ortlund)


That’s a foolish thing to say, and easily dismissed by anyone having a basic knowledge of the Bible and post-biblical church history: the constraints of history.

But if a trinitarian pastor believes it is true in our day and is aware of the large number of people sitting in churches who don’t believe in the Trinity, then double the shame if that pastor isn’t teaching and preaching church history in the church.

If this doesn’t motivate them, what is it going to take?

Dash RipRock said:

When are we going to go by what God said in His Word?

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That day is coming.

TACH -> “Trinitarians Against Church History”

My advice. Don’t join that group.

“Pastors and teachers, when it comes to the basics of orthodoxy, if we don’t continually ‘state the obvious,’ one day soon it will no longer be obvious.”

(Dr. Michael J. Svigel)


The orthodox horses are already bolting out of the theological barn. He’s sounding the alarm; which is exactly what he should be doing.

But will they heed his warning?

“A false conclusion once arrived at and widely accepted is not easily dislodged; and the less it is understood the more tenaciously it is held.” - Georg Cantor

Teach the history in church, and privately in the home, or suffer the consequences.

It’s a quandary for orthodox preachers and teachers. They should do what the people in their care don’t want them to do - teach the history of orthodox doctrine in the church.

Dash RipRock said:

In other words, teach lies to the people and extra biblical knowledge not inspired by the Lord Jesus

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That’s an odd thing for someone who supports orthodoxy - which Christianity Board officially does - to say.