Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

Ronald Nolette said:

John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Read it using saturday for Sabbath.

...on Saturday, for that Saturday was a High Day......

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Or better still, read what it actually says! '... should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day {starting Thursday evening}, (for that sabbath day was an high {sabbath} day {not a weekly sabbath day, starting Friday evening)'.

Matthew 28:1 (LSV):

Dawn on the first day of the week is Sunday morning, so if there were two sabbaths before that then it must have been the normal weekly sabbath and the high sabbath the day before (starting Thursday evening). That confirms that Jesus was crucified on the Thursday afternoon, and that Jesus' prophesy of Matthew 12:40 (WEB):


was fulfilled.

Fred J said:

Matthew 12:
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Friends, Jesus prophesied to the leaders of Israel, for they and the Apostles are witnesses to this.

Since as Jesus said it, therefore the prediction must come to pass in fulfillment exactly.

Basically even in ancient Israel there was 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night.

Whether the hours of the day is longer than the night nor the night from the day, still considered as the 12th hour to the 24th hour.

Israel's new day starts at night and finishes at sunset the next day, making it night and day 24 hours = 1 day.

The point is, the burial day on Friday and the resurrection day on Sunday at dawn, doesn't add up.

For example,

Burial by Jews was done before sunset, since they needed time for the preparation, even ceremonial washing before Passover.

Let's say 5pm Thursday before sunset they buried Him, and Friday after sunset 6pm night was the Passover.

Thursday 5pm - Friday 5pm = first day
Friday 5pm - Saturday 5pm = second day
Saturday 5pm - Sunday 5pm = third day

Now, how come on first day Sunday at dawn 7am onwards, the women found the tomb already empty?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

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He was crucified on a Wednesday:
Late Wednesday: Jesus is crucified and buried.
Early Thursday (Passover) through Late Saturday (Sabbath): Jesus is in the tomb.
Friday (between the two Sabbaths): the women buy and prepare the spices.
Early Sunday: Jesus rises from the dead, and the women find the empty tomb.

shepherdsword said:

He was crucified on a Wednesday:
Late Wednesday: Jesus is crucified and buried.
Early Thursday (Passover) through Late Saturday (Sabbath): Jesus is in the tomb.
Friday (between the two Sabbaths): the women buy and prepare the spices.
Early Sunday: Jesus rises from the dead, and the women find the empty tomb.

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Thursday was preparation day. Prepare food for 2 days for the Friday and Saturday sabbath.

Rockerduck said:

Thursday was preparation day. Prepare food for 2 days for the Friday and Saturday sabbath.

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You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

Magdala said:

God's Truths aren't confined to the pages of The Bible.

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not confined too if by that you mean GOD can speak TRUTH TO US
then correct . OF course he can . He can even shew us things to come and etc .
BUT IF ANYTHING , and i do mean ANYTHING we THINK we hear from GOD
contradicts WHAT IS WRITTEN . RUN and dont heed that voice cause IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .

shepherdsword said:

You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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You dont have any relatives who go by the name CLAUDIO do you . You look like him . SO i was wondering .
Course he is down here in texas . OR at least he was about six months ago .

shepherdsword said:

You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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The simple truth is whether it was on wednesday or etc
ALL we need to do is BELIEVE IT OCCURED .
However with that said , i think many dont understand there were different sabbaths .
HIGH sabbaths could occur . Like passover and a few other HOLIDAYS .
The regular sabbath was on every fri from evening to the morning of sunday .
But WE do notice A HIGH SABBATH that time . THE PASSOVER .
Now it could have fallen on any day of the week as they kept it on the FOURTEENTH .
over the month nisan . Well a few times SOME would have missed it could then perform it on the second month .
BUT the point is , IT MIGHT very well have BEEN on a wednesday as you stated .
But again my point is , WHAT TRULY MATTERS is not that we knew the actual day , whether wed , thur , fri
BUT THAT WE SIMPLY BELEIVE . as i am sure you would agree with that .

shepherdsword said:

You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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A fact . IT DID OCCUR on that day . cause the jews DID this on the fourteenth day of NISSAN .
SO that is a fact my friend . Now on what day that was that year . WELL i dont know if it was wed , thur , or fri .
BUT IT WAS ON THE FOURTEENTH day OF that month .
ON that you are spot on right .

shepherdsword said:

You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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Thus there would have been TWO sabbaths that week . THE HIGH SABBATH and the regular weekly one .
Some of us just love reading our bibles all the time . ITS how by grace i know this .
Just as it was how i knew that if jews could not attend the MONTH of nissan , they had the second month on which they did it .
THAT TOO is quite clear in the bible .

shepherdsword said:

You can't get three full days and nights between Thurs and Fri. It occurred in AD 28. This aligns the date with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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actually my best guess was it was on thurs . because thur night , fri night , sat night is three nights
but again i was not there so i cant say for sure . but it seems it would have been the case .
Either way , the MAIN thing is WE BELEIVE IN HIM , That he was CRUCIFIED For our sins
and raised again for our justification .

Expanding on this, where was the Spirit of Christ for the time His body was dead.
Christ did actually die, he went the way of all flesh in death.
What do you believe?

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

The order of the events of Christ

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.

21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

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'Then comes the end'

The end of this world and the beginning of the world to come.

The arguments and points about how the sign of the three days three nights applies to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus are moot and pointless because was made before Jesus BEGAN to teach them about it:

Mat 12:39 KJV But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

AND,

Mat 16:4 KJV A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Mat 16:13 KJV When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mar 8:29-31 KJV 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

31 And he BEGAN to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mat 16:21 KJV From that time forth BEGAN Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Be Blessed
The PuP

shepherdsword said:

This timing supports a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.

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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased for quite a bit less
than 72 hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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Webers_Home said:

A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased for quite a bit less
than 72 hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
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Whenever we read the Scriptures, it is vital that we keep in mind the principle that the explicit, direct teaching passages of the Bible must control our interpretation of passages that convey their teaching less directly and more implicitly.

The sign of Jonah explicitly states 3 full days and nights.

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

shepherdsword said:

The sign of Jonah explicitly states 3 full days and nights.

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Seeing as how there are eleven new testament verses that explicitly state
Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than after the third day was over and done with; then I think it is safe for
me to say the whale coughed up Jonah during the third day rather than after
the third day was over and done with.
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Webers_Home said:

Seeing as how there are eleven new testament verses that explicitly state
Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather
than after the third day was over and done with; then I think it is safe for
me to say the whale coughed up Jonah during the third day rather than after
the third day was over and done with.
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It's pointless to argue. We will never persuade each other. I take all of those verses to men that Jesus was raised after the 3rd day. Since that is in perfect harmony with the sign of Jonah being 3 days and 3 nights I think it's a safe bet. It also aligns with this:

Mk 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and AFTER three days rise again.

Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Another point to add:
AD 28 this date aligns with the 14th day of the Hebrew month of Aviv (Nisan), corresponding to the Passover, which fell on a Wednesday that year. This timing supports the interpretation of a literal three days and three nights in the tomb before the resurrection.
People have been arguing about it for centuries. I doubt the controversy will be settled here...lol

marks said:

I don't think you are realizing what my assertion is.

Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them 1 day
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them. 1 day + 1 night
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. 1 day

that makes 3 days. And you are missing 2 nights.

Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights. Why do you suppose He said that? Could it have been to communicate that He would in fact rise after 3 days and 3 nights? Had He only said, "3 days", what you are suggesting could be true. It's like we'd say, "On the third day", no matter what time today it is, no matter what time it happens on the third day, we mean the day after tomorrow.

But this isn't that. Jesus was clear to specify that just like Jonah, it would be three days and three nights.

So I just take Jesus at His word, and it's all OK.

Much love!

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I fully know what your assertion is. and I fully agree with your assertion. BUT Jews counted any ;part of a day as a full day- whether it is exactly correct or not. So part of Friday, all of Saturday and part of sunday was considered 3 full days in Jewish cultural conversations.

keithr said:

Or better still, read what it actually says! '... should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day {starting Thursday evening}, (for that sabbath day was an high {sabbath} day {not a weekly sabbath day, starting Friday evening)'.

Matthew 28:1 (LSV):

(1) After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site.​

Dawn on the first day of the week is Sunday morning, so if there were two sabbaths before that then it must have been the normal weekly sabbath and the high sabbath the day before (starting Thursday evening). That confirms that Jesus was crucified on the Thursday afternoon, and that Jesus' prophesy of Matthew 12:40 (WEB):

(40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​

was fulfilled.

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That would be an unfaithful rendering of the text.

Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. Sabbath started sundown Friday. And that particular Sabbath (friday sundown through Saturday sunset) was a high day (the Start of unleavened bread. But Hey do not take my word for it. Bring it to any English teacher and they will tell you that what is written says:

Because of the words in parentheses they are designating the sabbath day outside of the parentheses as a special day. It was just NOT an usual Sabbath but a high Sabbath for it started the feast of unleavened bread.

shepherdsword said:

Mk 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be
rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and
AFTER three days rise again.

Mt 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three
days I will rise again.

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To begin with, your verses are outnumbered 11÷2

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
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