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Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth
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It is, according to 2 Timothy 3:16&17, so you're a false witness in regards the Holy Bible.
Paul's letter to Timothy, and as for Timothy since young is taught according to all scripture available in his time.
Since this breathed out by GOD scripture is among the canon, therefore to us our availability is the All Scripture = Holy Bible, we're are disciple since born again young.
Ephesians 2:
19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of GOD;
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone;
Apparently, you're the one who intend to 'twist' what is already written and fit in your outside the canon added evangelist agenda.
No thank you
3 days and 3 nights
The Gospel according to the Apostles were not inspired by GOD to write down the time of Jesus' burial and resurrection.
But based on the scripture, He was buried by the Jews who also need time to prepare themselves before the sunset yearly Passover observation.
Therefore it was still 'day' for them in Israel, hour or more before nightfall they buried Him.
And the tomb was found empty by 'dawn', and according to Apostle John, yet it was 'still dark'.
Therefore the sunlight can be seen at the horizon but it was still dark in Israel, and the tomb already empty.
Luke 24:
21. But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Then again yet some tend to speculate this as also a Hebrews idiom, i disagree, for it's a plain statement from a commoner disciple.
John 11:
9. Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Jesus is asking the commoner disciples, as they plainly know Israel in the day have 12 hours, besides the night.
Jesus was not asking about 12 hours in a day, but rather 12 hours in the day they're familiar with in Israel.
Truly then itself in Israel, they go by 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night apparently.
Therefore why there are many christian teachers, but rather are merely disciple and babes in Christ.
They're divided in doctrine taking in from other incompetent christian teachers, as the blind leading the blind.
When Jesus the Living Bread, plainly prophesy to Israel that day, the Son of man in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights.
John 2:
19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Conclusion,
James 3:
1. My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus wasn't crucified on a Friday, he was crucified on a Thursday. The confusion arose because of mistaking the High Sabbath (Passover) for a normal weekly Sabbath day. Here's a webpage that explains it - Jesus Was Crucified on a Thursday.
Ronald Nolette
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Well to an English speaking 21st century American yeah, it doesn't. but to a first century Jew who spoke and thought in the way I described, it made perfect sense. Remember the bible wasn't written by 21st Century Americans, but first century Jews.
No, I don't believe that would have made sense to them at all. Jesus was very clear, 3 days and 3 nights. He rose before dawn on the first day of the week. So even though it was before dawn, sure, that was one night. Let's work backwards, allowing that "a portion of a day counts as a day".
Saturday sunset to Sunday pre-dawn = 1 night.
Saturday dawn to Saturday sunset = 1 day
Friday sunset to Saturday dawn = 1 night
Friday dawn to Friday sunset = 1 day
Thursday sunset to Friday dawn = 1 night
Thursday PM death of Christ to Thursday sunset = 1 day (assumes He was buried before sunset)
So allowing that even if Jesus were buried 15 minutes before sunset, counting that 15 minutes as a "day", this allows a Thursday crucifixion, not later.
Even 1st century Jews could do math, I should think!
Much love!
Ronald Nolette
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Doesn't matter what you think or feel, that is how they talked and described things. If you do not want to accept their reality- that is on you and not the Scriptures.
Killed Friday afternoon (whyPharisees wanted the people killed for it was the day before Sabbath-Saturday)
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Jesus crucified on Friday the Day before the Sabbath.
John 20
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. .
Jesus rose Sunday- the first day of the week.
Friday, saturday, sunday-three days!
I'm just showing you that even under your terms it doesn't add up.
That's all.
Much love!
You are making the same mistake as others. If Jesus has merely said, 3 days, sure, what you are saying could be accepted. Not necessarily, but could be.
However, He said 3 days and 3 nights. Apparently between the two of us, I believe Him, and you do not.
Much love!
Jesus said that, Isn't there 12 hours in the day (daytime), and not in a day.
Therefore there is also 12 hours of night cycle to complete a day in the calendar.
To Jesus when He prophesy, The Son of man in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, it's not Hebrew idiom.
He was buried before sunset the start of a new day Thursday in the calendar, hence, is the yearly Passover.
1. Thursday night - Thursday day to sunset = first night & day
2. Friday night - Friday day to sunset = second night & day
3. Saturday night - Saturday day to sunset = third night & day
After the Saturday sunset, on Sunday night and start of a new day in the calendar, Jesus has risen.
The women could not visit the tomb at night, but only at 'dawn', and apparently found it's 'already empty'.
The cycle of 12 hours of nights and 12 hours of days, or days and nights = 3 days and 3 nights.
Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
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You just made the mistake that has led to the confusion! You've assumed that when it said "sabbath day" that it was referring to a Saturday, but you've completely overlooked the words in brackets - "for that sabbath day was an high day". A "High Sabbath" refers to seven specific annual Biblical festivals and rest days. These days, also called "feasts" or "called assemblies," are distinct from the weekly Sabbath and they are based on the Jewish lunar calendar - they can occur on any day of the week.
The seven annual High Sabbaths are:
- First and Seventh Days of Passover (Pesach): These days mark the beginning and end of the Passover festival, which commemorates the Israelites' liberation from slavery in Egypt.
- Shavuot (Pentecost): This feast commemorates the giving of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.
- Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets): This is the Jewish New Year, a time for reflection and repentance.
- Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement): This is the holiest day of the year, a day of fasting and prayer for atonement for sins.
- First and Eighth Days of Sukkot (Tabernacles): These days mark the beginning and end of the Sukkot festival, which commemorates the Israelites' wandering in the wilderness after the Exodus.
Multiple Sabbaths During Passion Week
In Mark 15:42, we read that Jesus was crucified on "the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath." Traditionally, this has been interpreted to mean Friday, the day before the weekly Sabbath. However, during the Passover week, there was an additional Sabbath—called a "High Sabbath"—which could fall on a different day of the week, not necessarily Saturday. This distinction is crucial to understanding the timeline of Jesus' crucifixion, as it helps clarify why certain events happened when they did, and it resolves discrepancies in the traditional Friday crucifixion timeline.
The Role of the High Sabbath (John 19:30-31)
John's Gospel provides crucial insight by clarifying that the Sabbath following Jesus' death was a "high day"—a special Passover Sabbath, not the regular weekly Sabbath. This suggests that Jesus was crucified on the day before this High Sabbath, which fell on Friday. Thus, Jesus was crucified on Thursday, making way for two Sabbaths—Friday's High Sabbath and Saturday's regular Sabbath—before His resurrection on Sunday. This explanation helps to understand why the traditional timeline often feels incomplete.
Matthew's Clue: Plural Sabbaths
Matthew 28:1 adds another important clue, stating that after the "Sabbaths" (plural), Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to the tomb. The use of the plural form indicates there were two Sabbaths back-to-back: the High Sabbath on Friday and the regular weekly Sabbath on Saturday. This dual-Sabbath scenario supports a Thursday crucifixion, providing an extra day in between for these two rest periods. This dual Sabbath explanation helps resolve the confusion around the events that took place during Passion Week and aligns all the Gospel accounts more coherently.
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Ronald Nolette
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You are merely looking at math, not how the Jews reckoned time. Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them.
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. that makes 3 days. Accept it even if the math doesn't add up for that is how they counted it.
Ronald Nolette
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No, I did not! That particular saturday began the feast of unleavened bread! Thursday night to Friday sunset was passover, and the day of preparation (removing the leaven from houses.
That particular Sabbath (Saturday) was a high Sabbath in that on that Saturday the Feast of Unleavened bread began.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Read it using saturday for Sabbath.
...on Saturday, for that Saturday was a High Day......
I don't think you are realizing what my assertion is.
Friday the 3-4 hours was one day to them 1 day
Saturday the 24 hours was one day to them. 1 day + 1 night
Sunday from sunset Saturday until He rose was one day to them in determing time. 1 night
that makes 3 days. And you are missing 1 day and 1 night.
Jesus prophesied 3 days and 3 nights. Why do you suppose He said that? Could it have been to communicate that He would in fact rise after 3 days and 3 nights? Had He only said, "3 days", what you are suggesting could be true. It's like we'd say, "On the third day", no matter what time today it is, no matter what time it happens on the third day, we mean the day after tomorrow.
But this isn't that. Jesus was clear to specify that just like Jonah, it would be three days and three nights.
So I just take Jesus at His word, and it's all OK.
Much love!
(Edit thanks to @keithr )
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Webers_Home
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased less than 72 hours.
Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.
REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.
Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?
REPLY: The original Easter is a mite confusing due to a natural day following
close on the heels of a liturgical day.
Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)
The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday morning. I can't
advise folks how best to untangle the confusion resulting from mixing and
mashing liturgical days with natural days 'cause I can't even do it myself.
It's definitely a bit of a challenge.
FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?
REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was
over and done with. In other words, Jesus was deceased less than 72 hours.
Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4
FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.
REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.
Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when the sun wasn't up yet when
they arrived?
REPLY: The original Easter is a mite confusing due to a natural day following
close on the heels of a liturgical day.
Whereas liturgical days were a twenty-four hour amalgam of daytime and
nighttime; natural days consisted of only twelve hours of daytime. (John
11:9-10)
The day preceding the first day of the week was a sabbath (Matt 28:1)
which began at sunset Friday and ended at sunset Saturday. So that in
accord with liturgy the first day of the week began with sunset Saturday,
whereas in accord with nature it began with sunrise Sunday morning. I can't
advise folks how best to untangle the confusion resulting from mixing and
mashing liturgical days with natural days 'cause I can't even do it myself.
It's definitely a bit of a challenge.
FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?
REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down its interior
simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go their
separate ways.
That isn't an unreasonable posit. According to Matt 10:28, the body is
perishable by most any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by divine
means. In other words; the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily
simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give
it either a thumb up or a thumb down.
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● Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So the only way
that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down its interior
simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go their
separate ways.
That isn't an unreasonable posit. According to Matt 10:28, the body is
perishable by most any means, whereas the soul is perishable only by divine
means. In other words; the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily
simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give
it either a thumb up or a thumb down.
_
Actually, Saturday sunset to Sunday sunrise is one night, not one day. So that makes two days and two nights ; it's missing a day and a night. If Jesus died on the Thursday rather than the Friday, then it makes the prophesied three days and three nights.
Rockerduck
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I learned that Thursday was preparation day and Friday was a sabbath on this high sabbath. It was preparation day because you had to cook or prepare two days of food, because you could do nothing on Friday or Saturday. So, if the Thursday preparation day was for cooking. Jesus had to die on the Cross Thursday, because Friday and Saturday was a Sabbath. Hince, Jesus is risen on Sunday.
