Scriptures that Refute Calvinism

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Thank you! I find it difficult to discuss when people clearly have false conceptions of what I and others who believe the doctrines of grace actually believe.
Yes, and when they keep trumpeting those false conceptions in the face of repeated, indisputable clarification(s), it becomes at some point impossible to really call it a false conception at all, but very intentional mischaracterization, which is a form of lying. But yes, amen to that, brother.

Grace and peace to you.
 
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Read the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ, PinSeeker. I dare you. <GRIN>
I have; it's a yearly practice of mine. My dare to you ~ to which your silence speaks volumes ~ still stands.

I have God's Word and THE Teacher Jesus sent (the Holy Spirit).
Right, right, right, I mean we would all say that, presumably... <smile> But as you probably know ~ because it is God's Word, after all ~ the utterance of wisdom and the utterance of knowledge are both gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4-11, particularly verses 8 and 11), and like all His gifts, He empowers and apportions to each Christian individually as He wills, which obviously means, Big Boy, that not all of us are gifted to the same measure of those things.

I have no need for the wisdom of men...
Well, yes you do, if it is true wisdom from above, which is a gift of the Holy Spirit, as I said above. We all do, as all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to individuals for the common good (1 Corinthians 12:7), which is to say God gives individuals these gifts so that all us Christians can help each other in our Christian walk in various ways. Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another (Proverbs 27:17).

Grace and peace to you, Big Boy. Especially grace...
 
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not all of us are gifted to the same measure of those things.

That explains why the devil can so easily deceive some people in to following calvinism.




Grace and peace to you, Big Boy. Especially grace...

I'll pass on the "grace" that leads people to the false doctrines of calvinism

Thanks but no thanks.
 

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You got nothing, here, Big Boy. Absolutely nothing. Except maybe just plain ignorance.

Grace and peace to you.
 

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Read the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ, PinSeeker. I dare you. <GRIN>

I have God's Word and THE Teacher Jesus sent (the Holy Spirit).

I have no need for the wisdom of men and false teachers.
And that reveals your major problem!

Ephesians 4:9-14

King James Version

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Men are what God uses to mature you and make you fit for His service. Stay away from them and you stay away from growing up in the faith.
 

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And that reveals your major problem!

And your major problem is you apparently believe anybody claiming to be a pastor or a teacher

You failed to take God's Word seriously when He said that in the end time deception would be every where and many would come in His Name deceiving many

This is what I'm talking about man, you gotta pay attention top all the Lord says in His Word including the warnings so you won't continue having your major problem. Now get it done!
 

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And your major problem is you apparently believe anybody claiming to be a pastor or a teacher
You suck at mind reading. If you knew me at all, you would know how foolish your last statement was.
You failed to take God's Word seriously when He said that in the end time deception would be every where and many would come in His Name deceiving many

This is what I'm talking about man, you gotta pay attention top all the Lord says in His Word including the warnings so you won't continue having your major problem. Now get it done!
And you think I don't? I have been studying His Word for fifty years and practice intense dispensational hermeneutics which teaches to take all verses concerning a doctrine in to consideration before deciding.

And isn't it funny that nearly all churches are 3-4-5 point believers in biblical calvinism. Armenian churches like the RCC, Methodists, and Episcopalians et. al hold to the five points of Jacob Armenius. I can defend the five points from Scripture with many many verses. That is how I went from an Armenian believer like you to a 5 point biblical calvinist. From an intense study of SCripture.
 

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You suck at mind reading.

Mind reading is something witches and cults engage in.

So no, I'm not in to garbage such as mind reading.




And isn't it funny that nearly all churches are 3-4-5 point believers in biblical calvinism.

Yes and that's why nearly all churches are teaching false doctrine because they follow calvin instead of Jesus




That is how I went from an Armenian believer like you to a 5 point biblical calvinist. From an intense study of SCripture.

I follow the Lord Jesus who teaches in His Word man has free will. The only time I ever heard about this amadeus guy (and have still never read anything he wrote) is from calvinists who get mad when I tell them they are following an unrepentant murderer that twists scripture and is ignorant of the will of the Lord.

You'll learn eventually that being a follower of calvin is following the devil.
One must twist scripture and ignore portions of God's Word to be a calvinist.

But, at least you can hang out and be friends with other calvinists and you all can laugh about all the people going to hell because God decided they would burn in hell long before they were ever born rejoicing in the cult belief that only a few calvinists are saved.

Since your boy John Calvin had people whacked for not agreeing with his cult teachings, do you and your calvinist buddies have any plans to have any of the amadeus guys whacked? Ya'll been out doing target practice at the gun range? :funlaugh2

The calvinists and the catholics both used to off people back in the day, so it'll probably be making a come back at some point since everybody seems to be getting more and more unhinged in the haze of the last days
 

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Mind reading is something witches and cults engage in.

So no, I'm not in to garbage such as mind reading.
Well you are earnestly trying to do so when you tell me what I think or feel.
Yes and that's why nearly all churches are teaching false doctrine because they follow calvin instead of Jesus
I don't follow Calving but Jesus and His Word.
I follow the Lord Jesus who teaches in His Word man has free will. The only time I ever heard about this amadeus guy (and have still never read anything he wrote) is from calvinists who get mad when I tell them they are following an unrepentant murderer that twists scripture and is ignorant of the will of the Lord.
Show me that verse that says an unsaved man has free will in regards from choosing right from wrong spiritually. Unsaved man is incapable of choosing god.
You'll learn eventually that being a follower of calvin is following the devil.
One must twist scripture and ignore portions of God's Word to be a calvinist.
Wrong again. Tomorrow I will post why the five points of Calvin are the biblical truth without having to add but very little commentary.

So I take it you believe that 2-3-4-and 5 pointers are unsaved and tools of the devil. Wow you are condemning about 85% of your brothers and sisters. Glad you are not my Messiah!
But, at least you can hang out and be friends with other calvinists and you all can laugh about all the people going to hell because God decided they would burn in hell long before they were ever born rejoicing in the cult belief that only a few calvinists are saved.
Well not being a Calvinist I wouldn't know what they believe. We do not laugh over people going to the lake of fire. And people are born condemned as Scriptures declare! See I believe in what are called the five points that were given as a rebuttal of the 5 heretical points of Jacob Arminius (the one you follow) at the counsel of Dort.
Since your boy John Calvin had people whacked for not agreeing with his cult teachings, do you and your calvinist buddies have any plans to have any of the amadeus guys whacked? Ya'll been out doing target practice at the gun range? :funlaugh2

The calvinists and the catholics both used to off people back in the day, so it'll probably be making a come back at some point since everybody seems to be getting more and more unhinged in the haze of the last days
And so didn't the arminnius believers did the same! So you have blood on your hands as well.
 

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I was going to wait tomorrow to post the biblical verses that show the five points of Calvinism as they are called are actually biblical.

So here we go looking at TULIP

1) T= Total Depravity. As written it means that mankind is not as bad as it can be, but is as bad off as it can be. All of mankind is spiritually dead (lost) until one is born again -John 3:3

Romans 8:8

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8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Unsaved man is in the flesh (fallen human nature) so an unsaved man is incapable of themselves to do anything to please God. Trusting in Jesus is something that pleases God.

Frtom Romans 3:

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

To the unsaved mind, the things of God are foolish:

1 Corinthians 1:18-23

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18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


there is no soundness in the unsaved:

Isaiah 1:5-7

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5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Unsaved man is dead in their trespasses and sin.

Ephesians 2

King James Version

2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Man was created in teh image of God. That means man is trichotomous-body,soul and spirit. When Adam sinned he died that day as God warned, but it wasn't physically or mentally. He died spiritually. Man is not alive spiritually until they are born again.

I think this is enough to show that man is incapable to have any type of relation with God in their unsaved state, nor even want to choose a relationship with God in their spiritually dead unsaved state.


2) U= Unconditional election: all this is saying is man does not have to do works , clean up their act or any action other than believe to come to Jesus. the formula for salvation is very simple::

Romans 10:9-11

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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

John 3:18

King James Version

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

the only thing one can do as a sinner and dead in their sins is receive what God offers.

But how can one who cannot please God receive something god said is foolishness to us?

Romans 10:17

King James Version

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

God enables faith in the ones who are to be saved..

Happy Fathers Day. More tommorow.
 
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Well you are earnestly trying to do so when you tell me what I think or feel.

I just respond to what people say as what people say reflects what they believe



I don't follow Calving but Jesus and His Word.

Well then quit speaking in support of calvin's scripture twisting and folks won't think you follow calvin instead of Jesus



Show me that verse that says an unsaved man has free will in regards from choosing right from wrong spiritually. Unsaved man is incapable of choosing god.

If that were true then God would be unjust in holding man accountable for his actions. Romans 2:6

You've already demonstrated that you have been influenced by false calvinist doctrine and as such you will continually reject scripture in favor of calvin's scripture twisting

“This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.” – Deuteronomy 30:19

“But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve.” – Joshua 24:15

“Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord…” – Proverbs 1:29

“Elijah went before the people and said, ‘How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.’ But the people said nothing.” – 1 Kings 18:21

“Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life…” – Romans 6:13

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.” – Matthew 7:13-14

“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.” – Galatians 5:13

“He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.” – Hebrews 11:25

“Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.” – 1 Peter 2:16

“But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.” – Matthew 12:36

“If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.” – James 4:17

“So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.” – Romans 14:12

“Therefore you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses…” – Ezekiel 18:30

“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.” – Revelation 3:20

“If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the good things of the land.” – Isaiah 1:19




I will post why the five points of Calvin are the biblical truth

You just said you are not a follower of calvin and now you say you will be posting in support of his deceptions.

You'll learn eventually that being a follower of calvin is following the devil.
One must twist scripture and ignore portions of God's Word to be a calvinist.




Glad you are not my Messiah!

Yeah you got Jon Calvin as your fake messiah




Well not being a Calvinist

Oops, now you are back to the lie that you aren't a calvinist

You just said "I will post why the five points of Calvin are the biblical truth"

Calvinist and followers of islam have this in common, that they frequently engage in subterfuge just like their father. Sad.




And so didn't the arminnius believers did the same! So you have blood on your hands as well.

I'm not related to or involved with anybody that murders people for disagreeing with their cult doctrines because I study God's Word only and I'm not a follower of fake religious teachers nor do I have men as idols as the calvinists have done with John Calvin.
 

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Well then quit speaking in support of calvin's scripture twisting and folks won't think you follow calvin instead of Jesus
As I post ont the five points which are biblical, I do not know what you are talking about.
I just respond to what people say as what people say reflects what they believe
No, you have a predisposed prejudice against biblical points of Calvin , so you cast your negative bias toward my answers. IOW if you cn find a way to make them look bad, you will do it.
“This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.” – Deuteronomy 30:19
This is declared to believers who have had free will restored
“But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve.” – Joshua 24:15
same as above
“Elijah went before the people and said, ‘How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.’ But the people said nothing.” – 1 Kings 18:21

“Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life…” – Romans 6:13

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.” – Matthew 7:13-14

“You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.” – Galatians 5:13

“He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.” – Hebrews 11:25

“Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.” – 1 Peter 2:16

“But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.” – Matthew 12:36

“If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.” – James 4:17

“So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.” – Romans 14:12

“Therefore you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses…” – Ezekiel 18:30

“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.” – Revelation 3:20

“If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the good things of the land.” – Isaiah 1:19
Once again all these statements are to believers who when they were saved, they had free will restored!

As for Proverbs 1 too bad you did not include verses 27&28.

Once again:


Romans 8:8

King James Version

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Anyone in their human nature cannot make decisions that please god!
You just said you are not a follower of calvin and now you say you will be posting in support of his deceptions.

You'll learn eventually that being a follower of calvin is following the devil.
One must twist scripture and ignore portions of God's Word to be a calvinist.
ACtually it is folks like you, acolytes of Jacob Arminius who twist the Scriptures and yank them out of context.

The five points of Calvin are from Scripture.

As I showed for 2 so far.
Yeah you got Jon Calvin as your fake messiah
You're a soul filled with black hatred.
Oops, now you are back to the lie that you aren't a calvinist

You just said "I will post why the five points of Calvin are the biblical truth"

Calvinist and followers of islam have this in common, that they frequently engage in subterfuge just like their father. Sad.
No I am not. I am a biblicist. If it says in Scripture I believe it.

It is y0ou who follow a man-Jacob Arminius. You believe you can lose your salvation. Believers cannot lose their salvation ever.; It is sad you believe jesus did not pay the price for all your sins.

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As I post ont the five points which are biblical

Yes, but only if satan is the one teaching! hlf




you have a predisposed prejudice against biblical points of Calvin

Actually I'm in opposition to doctrines of demons and lies of the devil.

But, if the calvinists enjoy getting their doctrines from the devil, to each their own.




This is declared to believers who have had free will restored

Thank you for the demonic interpretation, but that dog don't hunt and there's no since in leading him around.




You're a soul filled with black hatred.

folks getting their bible teaching from devils.




If it says in Scripture I believe it.

Obviously not, but maybe someday you will be.