Every rapture position is new

The Light said:

He has restricted me from using the Old Testament so that makes it a challenge.

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I don't think he is doing that. If you have Old Testament scripture that you think the New Testament scriptures you posted are based on, then you certainly can show that. But, you have to do something to show that the NT authors were intending to reference those OT scriptures.

Jericho said:

Why do I have to be an "authority" on a topic to talk about it? I'd wager none of us here are authorities on anything, yet we still voice our opinions. Even if I were an authority, you still wouldn't accept it.

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You didn't provide any evidence to back up your claims in the original post. Why should we take you seriously at all when you didn't bother to do that? What was the purpose of your original post? Are you pre-trib? I'm wondering if you're trying to make people think that no one really taught pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib at all until more recent years, which is not true. Pre-trib is the view that only started being taught around 200 years ago. Few, if any, believed in that theory before that.

Jericho said:

It seems to me that the burden is on you. If you disagree with something I wrote, then it's up to you to disprove it.



Why do I have to be an "authority" on a topic to talk about it? I'd wager none of us here are authorities on anything, yet we still voice our opinions. Even if I were an authority, you still wouldn't accept it.

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You started a thread on a lie. You never researched it to see if it was true.

Are you going to admit that? Are you going to repent of that?

Or, is lying fine with you?

The Light said:

He has restricted me from using the Old Testament so that makes it a challenge.

I asked him to fix my truck because it would not start and only allowed him to use the car interior pages of the repair manual. He was not up to the challenge.

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No, you have produced nothing from the Old Testament or the New Testament to support your claims.

Spiritual Israelite said:

We have seen someone make a claim about what the early church fathers taught before which was proven wrong and he later apologized and admitted that he didn't research the topic first. Now, we are seeing that again. I don't understand why people do that.

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This is the very reason why I started to study this subject in depth - to establish the truth.

Big Boy Johnson said:

Nah, His second coming is actually when He land on the ground and takes over the world.

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No, his arrival is first seen by all while he is in the air. Coming to the ground and other events are after his arrival. His first arrival was also not to the ground so no surprise that his second arrival is also not involving being on the ground at first.

Big Boy Johnson said:

What's up with the acronyms?

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They are extremely common in biblical forums.

Big Boy Johnson said:

What was described above is what happens when Jesus returns and is not actually the rapture.
What you are referring to happens after the great tribulation

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You don't realize your above statement is like a double-negative, in the sense of contradiction of terms?

In the Mark 13:27 description by Lord Jesus the 'rapture' (or being "caught up" on the day of His coming) is EXACTLY what He was talking about. You just saying it isn't is meaningless.

There is only ONE TIME when Jesus returns to gather His Church, and that is at the LAST DAY of this world, which of course is AFTER the great tribulation, just as He showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

The idea of Paul's being "caught up" in the "air" is about the change on the "last trump" that he taught of in the 1 Corinthians 15 chapter. What change is that? The change of the saints still alive to the "spiritual body". A spirit body is not limited to the realm of a flesh body. That is HOW the saints still alive at Christ's future coming will be literally "caught up" into the "air", i.e., in their heavenly type body, and go with Jesus and the resurrected saints He brings with Him from heaven, to the Mount of Olives on earth in Jerusalem. It is high time that brethren understood about that future "spiritual body" change on the day of Christ's future coming.

You must be with the U-turn crowd that thinks Jesus appears in the air, believers go to meet Him, and immediately we come back to earth and bypass the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which take place in Heaven.

I'm looking forward to dining with Jesus and other believers in Heaven before the Father but you can skip the festivities if you want to.

Jericho said:

Thank you for the comments, but if it were that simple, would we have so many disagreements about what it says?

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It's each person's own decision who they want to listen to, either men and their doctrines, or to God in His written Word. God's written Word of when Christ's return and gathering of His Church will be is clearly... written of in His Word. There's NO excuses for not following it as written. So men's doctrines that create confusion are damnable doctrines, and are only designed for those who REFUSE to stay in God's Word as written.

Big Boy Johnson said:

You must be with the U-turn crowd that thinks Jesus appears in the air, believers go to meet Him, and immediately we come back to earth and bypass the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which take place in Heaven.

I'm looking forward to dining with Jesus and other believers in Heaven before the Father but you can skip the festivities if you want to.

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Where do you think scripture teaches that the marriage supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven?

Big Boy Johnson said:

You must be with the U-turn crowd that thinks Jesus appears in the air, believers go to meet Him, and immediately we come back to earth

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A real U-turn is your view that Jesus leaves heaven, arrives at the clouds of Earth and returns back to heaven.

Big Boy Johnson said:

and bypass the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which take place in Heaven.

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The text does not say it happens in heaven. The context of the passage looks like it is held in the eternity, matching NJ coming down as rthe bride of Christ which happens in the eternity chapters of Rev.

Big Boy Johnson said:

I'm looking forward to dining with Jesus and other believers in Heaven before the Father but you can skip the festivities if you want to.

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It cannot be "skipped". Either one is part of it or isn't. Disagreeing with you does not means someone doesn't get to be part of that supper.

GRACE ambassador said:

Precious friend, this is getting pretty old and stale, eh? God's Great Grace Departure Started In The Bible,
Given To Paul By Christ, For The Body Of Christ, In His Dispensation Of Grace, Which Will End with:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

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Where?

ewq1938 said:

A real U-turn is your view that Jesus leaves heaven, arrives at the clouds of Earth and returns back to heaven.

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He's can be numerous places at one without ever leaving the side of the Father.

Jesus is mega powerful like that

ewq1938 said:

Disagreeing with you does not means someone doesn't get to be part of that supper.

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I guess some folks wanna skip supper with Jesus... them mashed tators are gonna be other worldly!

GRACE ambassador said:

Precious friend, this is getting pretty old and stale, eh? God's Great Grace Departure Started In The Bible,
Given To Paul By Christ, For The Body Of Christ, In His Dispensation Of Grace, Which Will End with:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

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Precious friend, there will be a rapture

It just won't be before the anti-christ is revealed to the world.

See ya later Precious friend!