Demonic forces.

stevesonthebay · Feb 5, 2026

I have heard from a few Christian commentators about the recent happenings in the US and around the world with the culture war has unleashed a demonic force into the world.

We know there is already a spiritual warfare going on already and has been for a long time. But it seems to have intensified in recent years. Just as the political climate has intensified.

But just recently with the political violence and the willingness to use violence and even call for the destruction and death of some in society for their beliefs and views. The triggered reactions, the outrage and passionate hate. The willingness to now speak out calling for the destruction and death of others. Or the use of violence.

It seems that things have escalated to another level and something evil has been opened up. Or perhaps forced into the open. And its vicious and angry.

Its almost like it happened overnight. There has always been passionate disagreement. But people have never got to the point of wanting others destroyed. This is another level of belief or mindset. And because its so obviously contrary to what we all know is moral the only option left is to destroy and kill. This level of hate is demonic. Its beyond normal human emotion and reasoning.

SavedInHim · Feb 5, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
I have heard from a few Christian commentators about the recent happenings in the US and around the world with the culture war has unleashed a demonic force into the world.

We know there is already a spiritual warfare going on already and has been for a long time. But it seems to have intensified in recent years. Just as the political climate has intensified.

But just recently with the political violence and the willingness to use violence and even call for the destruction and death of some in society for their beliefs and views. The triggered reactions, the outrage and passionate hate. The willingness to now speak out calling for the destruction and death of others. Or the use of violence.

It seems that things have escalated to another level and something evil has been opened up. Or perhaps forced into the open. And its vicious and angry.

Its almost like it happened overnight. There has always been passionate disagreement. But people have never got to the point of wanting others destroyed. This is another level of belief or mindset. And because its so obviously contrary to what we all know is moral the only option left is to destroy and kill. This level of hate is demonic. Its beyond normal human emotion and reasoning.

God is removing His restraining power over evil. Unfortunately, I'm afraid what we're seeing now is only the warmup act. I think the thing that has shocked and amazed me the most is how easily Christians have taken the bait.

soberxp · Feb 5, 2026

In the Bible, the phrase **"nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom"** primarily appears in Jesus' prophecies about the end times, as part of the **signs of the last days**. Below are key scriptures and explanations based on different translations and contexts:

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### **1. Core Scriptures**
- **Matthew 24:6-8** (Jesus' discourse on the Mount of Olives)
> "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains." (NIV)
**Context**: Jesus prophesies the calamities of the end times, including wars, conflicts, and natural disasters, urging believers to stay watchful.

- **Mark 13:7-8**
> "When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains."
**Emphasis**: These disasters are described as the "beginning," not the end, and believers are called to remain faithful.

- **Luke 21:9-11**
> "When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away... Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven."
**Expansion**: Luke adds "pestilences" and "signs from heaven," offering a broader depiction of end-times chaos.

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### **2. Similar Themes in the Prophets**
- **Isaiah 19:2**
> "I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—brother will fight against brother, neighbor against neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom."
**Connection**: Though directed at God's judgment on Egypt, this reflects the theme of internal conflict, aligning with the spirit of Jesus' prophecy.

- **Daniel 9:26** (Prophecy of future wars)
> "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary..."
**Context**: Points to historical wars (such as Rome's destruction of the temple), also seen as a foreshadowing of end-times turmoil.

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### **3. Theological Interpretation and Application**
1. **Signs of the End Times**:
Jesus identifies these phenomena as the "beginning of birth pains," urging believers **not to panic** but to stay alert and prepared (Matthew 24:42-44). War and conflict are not God's desire but consequences of human sin and a fallen world.

2. **Believers' Response**:
- **Watchful Prayer**: In times of turmoil, believers should pray persistently (Luke 21:36).
- **Spreading the Gospel**: These signs motivate believers to proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom more urgently (Matthew 24:14).
- **Holding Fast to Faith**: God remains sovereign amid disasters, and believers must endure in faith until Christ's return (Revelation 22:20).

3. **Historical and Spiritual Interpretations**:
- **Historical View**: Some scholars see these prophecies as fulfilled in the first-century Roman wars and the destruction of the temple.
- **Future View**: Many believe these events will intensify before Christ's return, as depicted in Revelation's wars (Revelation 6:3-4).
- **Symbolic Meaning**: "Nation against nation" may also symbolize ethnic, religious, or ideological conflicts, reflecting heightened spiritual warfare in the last days.

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### **4. Connections to Other Scriptures**
- **Revelation 6:4** (Opening of the second seal)
> "Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword."
**Symbolism**: The red horse represents war and bloodshed, echoing "nation will rise against nation."

- **James 4:1**
> "What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?"
**Reflection**: While addressing personal conflicts, it reveals the root of human strife—selfish desires—which ultimately lead to larger-scale conflicts.

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### **Conclusion**
The Bible's depiction of "nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom" serves as both a **warning of end-times turmoil** and a **call to spiritual vigilance**. It reminds believers that amid a broken world filled with conflict, God's redemptive plan continues to unfold. The ultimate hope lies not in avoiding suffering but in Christ's return, when He will establish eternal peace (Isaiah 2:4; Revelation 21:4).

Rockerduck · Feb 6, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
I have heard from a few Christian commentators about the recent happenings in the US and around the world with the culture war has unleashed a demonic force into the world.

We know there is already a spiritual warfare going on already and has been for a long time. But it seems to have intensified in recent years. Just as the political climate has intensified.

But just recently with the political violence and the willingness to use violence and even call for the destruction and death of some in society for their beliefs and views. The triggered reactions, the outrage and passionate hate. The willingness to now speak out calling for the destruction and death of others. Or the use of violence.

It seems that things have escalated to another level and something evil has been opened up. Or perhaps forced into the open. And its vicious and angry.

Its almost like it happened overnight. There has always been passionate disagreement. But people have never got to the point of wanting others destroyed. This is another level of belief or mindset. And because its so obviously contrary to what we all know is moral the only option left is to destroy and kill. This level of hate is demonic. Its beyond normal human emotion and reasoning.

The end times are like a ball rolling slowly through time and greatly speeding up to the end. I study these things. The last evangelist world wide was Billy Graham. He preached 40 yrs all over the world. It changed again after 911 twin towers, peace was removed. Then school shootings, then mass shootings. After the mass shootings, civil unrest is increasing, what was evil is now called good and good is called evil. After covid nothing is the same. It is getting worse as demonic hatred is gripping people who die for their rejection of Christ and think they are doing good to rid the world of authority, like police.

Debp · Feb 6, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
I have heard from a few Christian commentators about the recent happenings in the US and around the world with the culture war has unleashed a demonic force into the world.

The Anti-ICE protesters in Minnesota besides committing lawlessness are involved in demonic New Age meditation. Cam Higby infiltrated their Zoom meeting...a New Age meditation session led by a Buddhist.

stevesonthebay · Feb 7, 2026

Debp said:
The Anti-ICE protesters in Minnesota besides committing lawlessness are involved in demonic New Age meditation. Cam Higby infiltrated their Zoom meeting...a New Age meditation session led by a Buddhist.

Wow thats scary. I know of the secular efforts which are now being investigated such as (Signal) network. Which aims to block and impede ICE and dox them in the hope of them and their families being attacked.

But now even churches are become passive political activists in the name of Christ. This shows how far the world has infiltrated the church. I know of all sorts of politics introduced to the church. Critical Race theory, Trans ideology, Feminism and all sorts of secular ideas being used in the name of Christ.

I think as part of how the secular world has increased into all aspects of life. As well as the overarching ideology and postmodernist think which is basically relativism. This has opened a door for people rationalising all sorts secular ideas into the church.

Part of post modernism is the idea that there is no objective truth and everything is self referential and experiential. So its easy to see how these feelings based ideas and in fact Gnostic beliefs are coming into mainstream churches.

Its almost like theres another book has been written that replaces the bible or is a commentary to the bible that mixes the world with the bible.

But fundementally these are spiritual forces at a deeper level than politics or emotions or experiences. So the only way to tell is with the fruits they bear. Sometimes this may take some time. But as we have seen with some of these radical ideas in secular politics. We begin to see through the false teachings and how they divide people.

stevesonthebay · Feb 7, 2026

Rockerduck said:
The end times are like a ball rolling slowly through time and greatly speeding up to the end. I study these things. The last evangelist world wide was Billy Graham. He preached 40 yrs all over the world. It changed again after 911 twin towers, peace was removed. Then school shootings, then mass shootings. After the mass shootings, civil unrest is increasing, what was evil is now called good and good is called evil. After covid nothing is the same. It is getting worse as demonic hatred is gripping people who die for their rejection of Christ and think they are doing good to rid the world of authority, like police.

Therefore I think the time is ripe for a Billy Graham type preacher. But one that knows the modern world and how it thinks. In fact when Graham was preaching though he brought many to Christ. It was a culture which accepted and respected such preachers. The culture was more open to God and had been up until recently.

So I think a great prophet or preacher today will stand out and offer a new way to all the chaos. Even a preacher of biblical proportions and status. Where people would listen and even fear such a truth. It would cut sharp and clear through the demonic spirits that have taken control.

God always comes to the rescue and reminds people who He is and of His authority. That the wages of sin is death and that Christ is the way, truth and life.

In fact I have heard that there is a trend with the current generation of young people joining churches and coming to God. After seeing the evil and chaos generated by past generations they have lost all trust in the world and are looking for an alternative.

Rockerduck · Feb 7, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
Therefore I think the time is ripe for a Billy Graham type preacher. But one that knows the modern world and how it thinks. In fact when Graham was preaching though he brought many to Christ. It was a culture which accepted and respected such preachers. The culture was more open to God and had been up until recently.

So I think a great prophet or preacher today will stand out and offer a new way to all the chaos. Even a preacher of biblical proportions and status. Where people would listen and even fear such a truth. It would cut sharp and clear through the demonic spirits that have taken control.

God always comes to the rescue and reminds people who He is and of His authority. That the wages of sin is death and that Christ is the way, truth and life.

In fact I have heard that there is a trend with the current generation of young people joining churches and coming to God. After seeing the evil and chaos generated by past generations they have lost all trust in the world and are looking for an alternative.

There have always been a great preacher or preachers for each generation until now. Billy Graham was the biggest and last. In the last 50 years there were many great preachers from churches on TV. All reaching the baby boomer generation, but those preachers are almost all gone. There have been a great many evangelists, but they have stopped. I haven't seen one recently. This is the end times when all things come to an end. The next charismatic man will be the false prophet that will push the great delusion (2 thess.2:11)..Everyone will truly believe a lie then.

Big Boy Johnson · Feb 7, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
It seems that things have escalated to another level and something evil has been opened up

Oh my, run to the hills!

Big Boy Johnson · Feb 7, 2026

SavedInHim said:
Unfortunately, I'm afraid

You might want to NOT be walking in fear.

It ends badly.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind

Rockerduck said:
The last evangelist world wide was Billy Graham.

Who was a heretic who believed Jesus is not the only way unto salvation.

He also believed catholics were Christians. False teacher!

Debp said:
The Anti-ICE protesters in Minnesota besides committing lawlessness are involved in demonic New Age meditation. Cam Higby infiltrated their Zoom meeting...a New Age meditation session led by a Buddhist.

And since most "christians" are not actually Christians they are ignorant of how to counter this thru spiritual warfare

stevesonthebay said:
Therefore I think the time is ripe for a Billy Graham type preacher.

There's lots of heretics running around who teach a different "jesus" and a different "gospel"

talons · Feb 7, 2026

Rockerduck said:
The last evangelist world wide was Billy Graham.

Big Boy Johnson said:
Who was a heretic who believed Jesus is not the only way unto salvation.

I will let Billy defend himself .

Why do Christians believe Jesus is the only way of salvation? Isn't th

“Why do Christians believe Jesus is the only way of salvation? Isn't that being rather narrow-minded and judgmental? The world has a lot of people in

billygraham.org

Debp · Feb 7, 2026

stevesonthebay said:
This shows how far the world has infiltrated the church. I know of all sorts of politics introduced to the church. Critical Race theory, Trans ideology, Feminism and all sorts of secular ideas being used in the name of Christ.

I think the above are liberal churches...not Bible believing churches.

The liberal churches which embrace the transgender agenda even have their own "sparkle creed" which is truly blasphemous!!! (They change the Lord into their own transgender image in it.)

Did you know Tim Walz is a member of a liberal church which embraces the transgender agenda? I saw materials from his church...they even had pronouns on the name tags.

I posted the video about Walz's church here at CB when he and Kamala were running.

amigo de christo · Feb 7, 2026

SavedInHim said:
God is removing His restraining power over evil. Unfortunately, I'm afraid what we're seeing now is only the warmup act. I think the thing that has shocked and amazed me the most is how easily Christians have taken the bait.

many have taken the bait of a truly well favored harlot and her ecumenical love cup of fornication .
All out delusion and reprobation of minds has been unleashed . We witness the hour wherein it all peaks .

amigo de christo · Feb 7, 2026

zk

Debp said:
I think the above are liberal churches...not Bible believing churches.

The liberal churches which embrace the transgender agenda even have their own "sparkle creed" which is truly blasphemous!!! (They change the Lord into their own transgender image in it.)

Did you know Tim Walz is a member of a liberal church which embraces the transgender agenda? I saw materials from his church...they even had pronouns on the name tags.

I posted the video about Walz's church here at CB when he and Kamala were running.

Its all come down to this last hour . The harlot has infiltrated every known realm and captivates them
and will lead them all to the day of their own perdition .
This cannot be stopped . WE must simply endure faithful to the end no matter the cost .
SO bibles up , prayers out and stand firm in the doctrine of the LORD .
The cost will be the cost . ALL GLORY and ALL HONOR TO THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
Go out faithful . The delusion grows wild now and will get only worse unto the end .

stevesonthebay · Feb 8, 2026

Debp said:
I think the above are liberal churches...not Bible believing churches.

Yes and stats show that liberals are more likely to support such ideas. Especially women. Which is what we see in mainstream society. So its interesting that the same beliefs and behaviours are reflected in the church.

I think liberal or progressive ideology is linked back to the garden. The serpent making alternative suggestions, questioning the status quo and suggesting surely this is not the case. Surely you have a right to question this.

A disobedience and rebellion against Gods law and order and Christs truth. And its interesting that females like Eve are leading the way in this disobedience. Though men are participating as well. But due to feminism women are at the forefront in leading this culture war.

Debp said:
The liberal churches which embrace the transgender agenda even have their own "sparkle creed" which is truly blasphemous!!! (They change the Lord into their own transgender image in it.)

Yes theres a whole new religion around this. Its the woke religion overpowering Christs truth and Gods law and order. Its the building of a human made kingdom on earth and not heaven on earth. Human will and not Gods Will.

Debp said:
Did you know Tim Walz is a member of a liberal church which embraces the transgender agenda? I saw materials from his church...they even had pronouns on the name tags.

THe president of the US was supporting such ideas and even legislating for it. Thank God it has been reversed as it was causing many problems.

But you will notice that there is a vicious reaction to pointing out the overreach of this ideology. Just suggesting an alternative truth such as marriage is between a man and women. This provokes a visceral reaction and agression and even violence. This is beyond differences of opinion. This is demonic. You can almost hear the demonic screams and seething coming up through the person.

Debp said:
I posted the video about Walz's church here at CB when he and Kamala were running.

Yeah I agree and its not a good example. He has opposed several rational ideas with ideological overreach. He alos allowed massive fraud. This alone discredits anything he says.

This is the fruits of the spirit. Sooner or later the truth comes out. That is the nature of Christs truth and light. Waltz was only a year ago touted VP. The second best in the party. And now has been exposed as overseeing the greatest fraud in US history. There will be more bad news and this is the bad fruit coming out.

Which sort of also exposes the liberal and progressive ideology that is big on virtue signalling but weak on truth and reality and the good fuits of actually sacrificing self for others.

Marvelloustime · Feb 8, 2026

amigo de christo said:
zk

Its all come down to this last hour . The harlot has infiltrated every known realm and captivates them
and will lead them all to the day of their own perdition .
This cannot be stopped . WE must simply endure faithful to the end no matter the cost .
SO bibles up , prayers out and stand firm in the doctrine of the LORD .
The cost will be the cost . ALL GLORY and ALL HONOR TO THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
Go out faithful . The delusion grows wild now and will get only worse unto the end .

@amigo de christo

Big Boy Johnson · Feb 8, 2026

talons said:
I will let Billy defend himself .

Yes, good idea... let's hear Billy boy teach heresy from his own mouth:

Billy Graham teaches ecumenical in this video

Excerpt: Bill Graham interviewed by Robert Schuller, Program #1426

doctrox · Feb 8, 2026

FYI, Billy Graham was a 33rd degree Freemason, among other things. There are interviews and videos that expose him. There's also a 788-page book, "Billy Graham and His Friends: A Hidden Agenda?", with over 600 documented footnotes, that tells the tale. I've read it thoroughly and also checked many of the references; it's solid. It can be had inexpensively if you shop around (Amazon = ~$38 new; ~$11 used). The book is also downloadable as a free pdf.

POINT: Trust no one outside of Jesus Christ.

amigo de christo · Feb 8, 2026

Big Boy Johnson said:
Yes, good idea... let's hear Billy boy teach heresy from his own mouth:

Billy Graham teaches ecumenical in this video

Excerpt: Bill Graham interviewed by Robert Schuller, Program #1426

Total blasphemy my friend . but the man was always tied into Ecumeincalism . WHAT did we expect would occur .
Ya cant be yoked up with the wrong crowd . Tis why i been pratically pleading and warning all
TO have no part in this ecumenical cup .
DID you see what billy graham said
WELL GO TO and behold this ecumeincal in tefaith .
THEY ALL SAID IT TOO . we being decieved . THIS was always what it was leading them too .
Billy g raham was not the first
and this mindset grows faster and faster amongst more a nd more of christendom .
Ever won der why GOD said NOT to be unequally yoked ,
cause YA FALL if YA DO .

amigo de christo · Feb 8, 2026

doctrox said:
FYI, Billy Graham was a 33rd degree Freemason, among other things. There's an 800-page book, "Billy Graham and His Friends", with over 600 documented footnotes, that tells the tale. I've read it thoroughly and also checked many of the references; it's solid. It can be had inexpensively if you shop around for used (~$38 new or~$50 used). The book is also downloadable as a free pdf here.

POINT: Trust no one outside of Jesus Christ.

now ya know why i warn relentlessy against this ecumeincal interfaith .
It has led more and more to the lie
and the longer one stays seated in ecumenical churches , THEY GONNA FALL
THIS IS what it was always about . MER GING THE RELIGOINS as ONE under what all
will see and believe IS GOD and IS HIS LOVE and is HIS PLAN for world peace .
ITS GOT ANTI CHRIST ALL OVER IT .

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