CONTEXT is King?
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I am a King.
I am the King of myself.
I was also crowned at birth… almost everyone that comes from the womb crowns right?
I don’t know what to say.
Jesus to me is the King of Kings…
Well...that is not a proper kingship. I mean of yourself.
The crowns we receive at birth are not at birth of the flesh, but of the Spirit, which are Christ's crowns, not our own in the way it would seem you have presented it--we are not independent agents. So, if we are kings among men, we are His ambassadors having the pure credentials of Christ--or not. In which case, if not, we wear a phony crown, a crown destine to be stripped from us and taken away. As it is written: "For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away."
Therefore, if our representation of Christ is good, so is our crown, but if that crown is not pure, it will be taken away. Which is not to say that we ourselves must be pure, for we are not pure outwardly until we die--but inwardly our purity is Christ--Christ in us, true or false. Meaning, we must deny ourselves.
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I disagree. The US Supreme Court ruled early on in our republic that citizens are sovereign - without subjects.
This makes it all the more appropriate that Christ is the king of kings - even of kings without subjects.
Kingship and ambassadorship have different roles. This introduces St Thomas Acquinas Odo Amoris.
Our friend, @MatthewG, may act in in sovereign, Free man and king of self in choosing how to live his life (what clothes to wear, what to eat, what hobby to take up) and while living this kingly life also do it as an ambassador to Christ.
Being a poor ambassador does not diminish our kingly status. That is, our sovereign freedom does not depend on getting all our doctrine right, always acting with grace and never backsliding.
Well, I don't want to make an argument out of it, but clothes do not make a king.
I do get your point, but what I was saying, is that in this world, the King of Kings in us, does not actually make us a king, but does make us kings rather by ambassadorship, or else we have not lost our life. A self-made man or king is just that. But now I have cut joint and marrow.
But you are right, it doesn't mean always acting with grace and never backsliding. As for doctrine, that is another matter...actually the one I was addressing.
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I love being free. I've heard it said that for most people having true freedom is to much for them. Don't know if that is true or not.
When it comes to Jesus, that dude love to have a party.
I don't really have to hold myself a type of way anymore. I am just gonna be myself and if people have a problem with it. It's not really my own problem is it?
My only reason for commenting was to share what context does tend to get missed, and how people can say things like "God told me, or God has shown me, or God said this," But that doesn't mean what they may say is true or not, or that people should believe them.
I am not trying to represent anything but myself. I have no reason to be Christ like, other by the Spirit when the Spirit helps us to be reasonable with others.
At the end of life Jesus, was the one who paid the price for not only my sin but the worlds to me in my perspective, he is the king of kings and lord of lords. Anyway, you take care.
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After decades of being a Libertarian, I never considered what to do with our God-given liberty? A vid I watched of a commencement address made a profound point: FREEDOM IS A GREAT MEANS BUT A TERRIBLE ENDS.
The Founding Father‘s equating Liberty with Virtue. The purpose of freedom is to decide how best to glorify God.
Regarding what you’ve heard, decades ago there was a study about how more choices cause more stress. If at a restaurant, there is small, medium, large of a few entrees, people are satisfied. But if they have to choose among 150 options, the freedom becomes burdensome.
quietthinker
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Could it be that the context Jesus is given amongst much of 'Christianity' is not the context God has in mind?
If so, does much of the preaching dished out support a decoy?.....and a decoy to what?
You weighed in on and addressed the context issue, and I responded to that. I wasn't referring to you(--unless it fits), but to the problem in general of people misrepresenting God by claiming this or that context based on what they merely believe when God's thoughts as the Author of the scriptures are "higher" and more complex by many examples. I gave a couple.
Peace!
Not a decoy, but rather the context that may come first, is likely and rightly, elementary, as unto children. Which can and often does show a greater principle or truth, or even speaks of a completely different event...as in the Psalms, where David's suffering was not at all about him being crucified, but Christ. And that example is of one context pointing forward--easy enough. But some point backward.
The point is, if we try to limit God in His masterful work of revelation and teaching...we are the ones who lose out on the possible greater truth therein. Such a limitation is a way of saying, His Word is not even alive. But we are talking about--the Word--Jesus Christ.
Indeed--and more!
And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” John 1:51
Okay.
Yeah it sucks when a preacher comes up to you and tells you are healed and then in reality you are still sick.
It sucks when someone comes up to you and tell you hey jesus is coming back soon, they give you the year date, and then you wait for Jesus and he is not there... stuff like this.
I hate manipulative people out there... miss using the bible altogether really.
Not that my hatred exteneds to them in a hateful way... it just that is what it is... people misusing the bible and manipulating people.
Either 1. Ignornatly or 2. Directly for the result of their own weird delusions and fantasies or whatever.... 3. Aiming to get as close to truth as one can get (hopefully by the spirit of Christ) is the best result in the end in my opinion.
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soberxp
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The meaning you convey can only represent the understanding of the person you consider as to the context, rather than the understanding of God regarding the context of the Bible.
If we are talking about the understanding of context, the most fundamental approach is to start from the Book of Genesis and compare all the surrounding contexts to achieve a correct understanding.
IMO, God didn't break the context of the Bible.
That is the point I meant to convey.
Context issues among men may be true or not. But for one to insist on one context or another, is either a mistake or from God, but never for men to decide. In most man-made context issues God gives the wise and the foolish equal opportunity to show their folly, even if unknown to them.
God is the Author, and He decides.
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I'm not sure what this sentence is supposed to refer to but I've noticed the "out of context" accusation is often a veiled attempt to refute something that is true that context doesn't change one little bit.
For instance another poster alleged that Romans 13 does not mean we should submit to governments as their authority comes from God claiming "context" limits the application to paying taxes. AS IF we should not submit to driving on the R-H-S of the road in America and the LHS of the road in England as that is what the authorities say is the convention to follow.
amigo de christo
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you might wanna flee the lil gods folks or whatever new age mindset you have been led too .
And b efore anyone here decides to pick up a crown , just remember our crown comes AT THE END of our faith .
Might i suggest a crown of t horns for us all to wear . Perhaps some humble pie for dessert as well .
amigo de christo
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Mathew G , lets not kid ourselves . i have seen what you call manipulating people with the bible .
HECK i been accused by you of doing this .
Lets keep it real shall we . YOU just do not want to be reminded of your sin . And of your chosen fantasy
of what you desire to believe is truth .
And of course you can probably give some right examples of some who have FOR SURE MANIPULATED folks .
I MEAN lets face it , there are many of them .
But i know my friend . I know your true reasons as to why you do as you do .
And it is NOT GOOD my friend . I say this out of love and not hatred .
I suggest YOU DO pick that bible back up again . Lets learn shall we .
Yeah, on my phone...that was a typo...I fixed it.
And yes, the context issue is often a dodge, and lowers the issue to be between people instead of something from God. It can be helpful, but can also be a huge mistake.
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A dodge, crutch, trope in Strawman argumentation, lazy argument, etc.
How it is a lazy argument is the presumption that pulling out the "context" statement needs no further explanation. An internet meme to any claim is SOURCE - as if the absence proves the claim invalid, like we don't have eyes to see for ourselves. Saying it is out of context should be accompanied by an explanation of how context changes things.
The most common error is over-spiritualized claiming the statement is spiritual lacking any soulful application whatever. A good example is Jesus telling his disciples to sell their cloak to buy a sword.
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