I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean to say that the bread is actually the body of Christ?
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Nope. Treating people in this world with fleshy needs that we as Christ followers are expected to provide is the context.
Again, "bread" is not even mentioned. It's food, and not symbolic food; actual, literal, physical nourishment for our bodies.
As God said (and as I reminded you) if that is the measure you use regarding the word of God from heaven, by "the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
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Gibberish. The Bible is a practical guide to life. People need food, water, clothing, companionship and care when sick. These are not "shadows" of something spiritual, making them not fleshy, worldly, soulful items.
But I'll try it your way. The next time anyone like my wife asks me to provide physical needs, like milk for the baby, I'll pull out As God said (and as I reminded you) if that is the measure you use regarding the word of God from heaven, by "the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” We'll see if that satisfies them.
NayborBear
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Sacraments, or communion taken by these flesh bodies? Is SUPPOSED to be this "transubstantiation" catholics call it, of truly consuming His flesh and actually drinking His blood "Spiritually!" (unseen)
Ziggy
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I understand the symbolism and the explanation that is given. I also know that a lot of things over time get carried from one place to another.
A lot of "symbolism" with the Catholic church can be found in it origins with Romes fascination with Egypt and other nations traditions like Greece , Turkey, which had it's origins in the Celtic traditions. Pan and Druids and Lucky Charms
A lot of these things snuck in over ages and they kinda got stuck there and grew.
Same thing happened in Jerusalem over and over again they had to take down the altars and change some rules to get back to the beginning. You know throughout history, This king did good, and then rose up this king and he did bad. Solomon built altars for his wives gods.
People get lazy. Things creep in.
Eventually Rome conquered the known world and eventually fell under it's own weight.
Everything has a time to rise and fall.
All I know is that there is a great shaking coming. And those things that will fall will fall, and those things that remain will remain.
Whether it be religions, politics, treaties, nations, war, whatever it is has it's peak times and low times.
Right now everything is almost at it's peak.
We are on the precipice of a do or die situation.
Either civilization as we know it will crash and burn or if it will be given a new hope and a new beginning,
I suppose that depends on how you look at it.
But I think eventually all the idols and symbolisms will be the culprit that brings it all down.
They are warned about under both old and new covenants. That didn't change.
And everything is idolatry in todays world.
Faith is based on what we don't see. But we know that God has a purpose for us.
And we should try to avoid putting anything any obstruction between us and our faith.
anywho.. just rambling
Hugs
Hmmm, yes, that is perhaps what some believe. How about you?
As for what is true--it is for remembrance, not the intake of Christ which is indeed by the Spirit, but elements are not spirit.
NayborBear
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All I know?.....It was during a "mano el mano" (eyeball to eyeball) vision, and definitely not in the physical/material.....And It may well have been manna for all I know....Yet? (it seemed/felt like it was actually flesh....as it was like a firm jello and more tender than filet mignon)......It certainly was "Communion" as this voice commanded: "EAT!"....So I took a chunk of "something"in my spiritual hand and ate it!.......Then?.....Same voice commanded: "DRINK!"....And there was a cup or container of some kind in my spiritual hand.......And I drank! (and it wasn't like anything I'd drunk before.....it wasn't sweet nor dry like wine, but kinda thick with a "meh" flavor).
Anyway? It left me with the impression that it was indeed "flesh and blood.".....But?.....It wasn't, or isn't the first time I've "mis"-interpreted a "spiritual event" that has happened to me in the past 45 years of so, from my first "spiritual event", which I have come to know as a "Visitation From Almighty God Himself!" Not the Messiah! The ONE who SENT Messiah!
Now, you or anyone else who reads this can take from it?.........Whatever "measure of faith" allows!
But, as for me?....I know!
NayborBear
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Yeah? I've heard the "Pendulum Swing Like A Pendulum Do" (bobbies on bicycles 2 by 2....sorry!...Old Roger Miller tune) motto, or mindset before.I understand the symbolism and the explanation that is given. I also know that a lot of things over time get carried from one place to another.
A lot of "symbolism" with the Catholic church can be found in it origins with Romes fascination with Egypt and other nations traditions like Greece , Turkey, which had it's origins in the Celtic traditions. Pan and Druids and Lucky Charms
A lot of these things snuck in over ages and they kinda got stuck there and grew.
Same thing happened in Jerusalem over and over again they had to take down the altars and change some rules to get back to the beginning. You know throughout history, This king did good, and then rose up this king and he did bad. Solomon built altars for his wives gods.
People get lazy. Things creep in.
Eventually Rome conquered the known world and eventually fell under it's own weight.
Everything has a time to rise and fall.
All I know is that there is a great shaking coming. And those things that will fall will fall, and those things that remain will remain.
Whether it be religions, politics, treaties, nations, war, whatever it is has it's peak times and low times.
Right now everything is almost at it's peak.
We are on the precipice of a do or die situation.
Either civilization as we know it will crash and burn or if it will be given a new hope and a new beginning,
I suppose that depends on how you look at it.
But I think eventually all the idols and symbolisms will be the culprit that brings it all down.
They are warned about under both old and new covenants. That didn't change.
And everything is idolatry in todays world.
Faith is based on what we don't see. But we know that God has a purpose for us.
And we should try to avoid putting anything any obstruction between us and our faith.
anywho.. just rambling
Hugs
And? I guess it stands to reason that HIStory does SEEM to swing one direction?........Then the other!
And? I have to agree with ya, that no matter how much things change?.....some things remain the SAME!.....Like?..........MAN!....Or WOMAN!.....Whatever gender we are!
But NOT whatever labels these "GODLESS Mockers" are wanting to infiltrate this world with!
And, agree with each "swing" or tick of the Heavenly Clock? The "timekeeper" (whom I refer to as Ancient of Days.....cuz He IS!) Brings us closer to "when the Trump for this "slice of eternity/everlasting" sounds!
That being said? It WOULD be much like some (how can I say?) "Heavenly Irony" mixed with some humor, I suppose, that this particular president's last name has, or would have some significance?
Hard to say! Yet? It wouldn't surprise me!
Yanno? Ya HAVE to be a little bit crazy to be a "believer/ChristMan/Woman" these days!
Cuz in the "eyes of the world?"
WE'RE ON THE SHORT ROAD THERE!
You have had a "spiritual" experience, not an "elements" experience. As for interpretation, or even true or false--God knows.
I believe you. Thanks for sharing!
NayborBear
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I guess what it is I'm trying to say is that when doing the "elemental experience" as you say, that the "spiritual experience" should be happening "In the Remembering!"
What "should" be...is remember as often as you do it. Which, for you may be different, according to your experience.
NayborBear
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The "crux of the biscuit" would be in just what the partaker is remembering.
A) Remembering and honoring what Messiah did who was sent? Who bares (upholds) the Government on His shoulder, which should lead to:
B) Remembering He who sent Messiah with this GOOD News from He who sent Messiah? (Who also is He who raised Christ from the dead!)
A? Is good!
A&B? Is much better! Which lead and guide you here:
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
The context of "Take, eat, this is my body" (and likewise "My blood") is that greater spiritual meaning (@Wrangler) of Him not just laying down His life, but also officially giving His "body" to the Church--which is the ministry here on earth among the "elements" (referring to those first born of the flesh (elements)).
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Taken
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Exactly…
And men Said…
Mary did not have children with her husband
Men say so.
Come here and we’ll (men) kill that life in your womb
Men say so.
Gods food provisions … pfff… come eat this we’ve (men) added Synthetic compounds and plastic for you to eat!
Men say so.
God said Pray “TO” God…
Men preach:
Pray TO…They whom men have appointed “sainthood”!
Men say so.
God says, you can only Serve ONE Master.
A government, Employer…
Who Provides your, housing, food, health care, transportation, Necessities….
IS your Master!
God says so.
Men walk about calling themself free, while yielding to their Master, WHO is Not God.
Glory to God,
Taken
NayborBear
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Not good to assume. Your "terminology" referring to "elements?" means? flesh? material? "earth, air, fire, water?" Not sure what ya mean.
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Or why even introduce this term in the analysis when it's absent from the text. Just like he did when the word was food, which he substituted for bread, then doubly substituted for "word of God." Repeat substitutions destroys context. Scripture says X but Scott makes it Y, then Z. I guess God cannot just talk about a cigar (Freud famously said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar).
Sadly, @ScottA has shown that he takes verses out of context. Ironic. Given the thread title.
As created beings we and Christ are made up of the same elements of this world that are to be dissolved. Thus, these bodies of flesh, and the body of Christ which He has given to the Church, are all destined to be dissolved in the end when the work is finished among all nations and peoples.
The point being, there is a context in the written word of God pertaining to two completely different bodies, that for understanding, must be "rightly divided: the flesh from the spirit.
Correction: Scripture includes many things like "wheat" vs "tares", meaning not wheat at all, but PEOPLE of good seed (of God). Which and Whom you continually speak against.Or why even introduce this term in the analysis when it's absent from the text. Just like he did when the word was food, which he substituted for bread, then doubly substituted for "word of God." Repeat substitutions destroys context. Scripture says X but Scott makes it Y, then Z. I guess God cannot just talk about a cigar (Freud famously said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar).
Sadly, @ScottA has shown that he takes verses out of context. Ironic. Given the thread title.
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Nope, not at all. It’s those other times that are literal, physical, worldly that you deny - like food, boat, sword. You can’t even define an acceptance criteria, what set of words would convey literal - and not spiritual - meaning? Manna from heaven is not symbolic; it’s literal fleshy, worldly, food for the sustainable of people her and now on Earth (at the time it was given.
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