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Dan Clarkston

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You presume A man CAN Fool the All Knowing God!

There are examples in God's Word of those who were in right standing with God and then turned away from the Lord later.

You're not paying attention to the whole counsel of God, again!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us


God Removes a mans Salvation from the man.

God is not the one turning away from the people - they turn away from Him and cause themselves to lose salvation.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

Once again you are on the outside looking in. You really should embrace the whole counsel of God and repent of this cherry pickin business you have been deceived in to believing some of what the Lord says in His Word are lies. They not.


Your cherry picking Scriptures FOR me who IS Sealed unto God…?

If you deny the Lord you will not longer be sealed!

The seal is the Lord's claim of ownership, but does not take way a person's free will to reject the Lord later and turn away as some have done:

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who
separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)



Gaslighter… Why speak FOR me.

Then WHY do you insist on saying you are a sinner then?

You sound very confused over there. I hope that gets better for you.
 

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There are examples in God's Word of those who were in right standing with God and then turned away from the Lord later.


You're not paying attention to the whole counsel of God, again!

You are not paying attention.
Nothing new.

Learn what words mean.

With God?
A person CAN walk away..
And So Also, will God ignore you.

With and IN Gods Spirit.
Gods Spirit is with and IN that man!
Zero “walking away” Possible.

Are you … uninformed…still without understanding?

Salvation is “Promised” to Believers WHO remain Believing unto their Death.

At their “Accounted Death” They Receive their Gift of Salvation, ONCE and Forever.

Did you MISS the Major Point of the NT Gospel Truth?

They who Confess their True Belief,
And Lay down their LIFE, Crucified With Christ Jesus…
Have fulfilled… Bodily Dying IN Belief…
And Have “Received” their Gift of Salvation!


While “YOU” continue to see a flesh body…
God SEES, an individual, “Living IN Christ Jesus” Risen body, a restored saved soul, and born again (of Gods SEED) Spirit…
A whole, body, soul, spirit of That man.
God Himself welcomes that individual being MADE Gods Child.

So… where are you Standing? walking?…
“IN” Christ … or still wandering, wondering, worrying, and Pointing fingers, accusing, at they already Made whole?



2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

That ^ Scripture along with hundreds of other cherry-picked passages…
Have Nothing whatsoever to do with me,
Or Any other person, who’s has been made Whole….By the Seed and Power of God.



A man… Does not lay down his Life… then spring back to natural Life… and reject God.

Then WHY do you insist on saying you are a sinner then?

I was asked.
I answered, not what you say…
But what I said was…
I am a “Forgiven Sinner”.
I was naturally born a sinner.
I did Not say, I commit Sin, but have Said I do not Commit Sin.

Best to use my own words quotes, than speaking for me.

You sound very confused over there. I hope that gets better for you.

Thank you.
You verify, the carnal Thinker Is discerned and cannot understand Spiritual understanding.
 

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Gods Spirit is with and IN that man!
Zero “walking away” Possible.

No true according to God's Word.

The false teachers have deceived you in to believing OSAS heresy, so you will continue therein.


Salvation is “Promised” to Believers WHO remain Believing unto their Death.

Yes, and some after having been born again fall away

God's Word warns of such so that's how we know it's possible to lose salvation

Keep swinging there bud, one of these days you'll get it!


While “YOU” continue to see a flesh body…
God SEES, an individual, “Living IN Christ Jesus” Risen body, a restored saved soul, and born again (of Gods SEED) Spirit…

Some teach that after becoming Christians God cannot see any sin that they may commit.

Which is why many Christians believe they can continue living in sin thinking God is oblivious to any sin they commit so they think they can let their freak flag fly.

This of course is more false doctrine coming out of your OSAS heresy camp.


A man… Does not lay down his Life… then spring back to natural Life… and reject God.

That's just what you think

Those in the OSAS heresy camp have been indoctrinated to not accept all the Lord says in His Word and to mock God by claiming if a man sows to the flesh (sins) he does not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)


I am a “Forgiven Sinner”.

Exactly. You continually identify with the old man of sin instead of the New Man in Christ.

That's why you keep saying you are a sinner.

You do not understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ having been indoctrinated by the OSAS heresy camp.

Maybe you'll get it someday and stop seeing yourself as sill being under bondage to sin claiming to be a sinner.


I was naturally born a sinner.

You should get born again and drop those sin tags!

And stop claiming God made you a sinner when He created you, that's false doctrine.

That's one of the tricks of the devil is to deceive people in to believing they are a born sinner and as such they can never cease from sin and they'll always be a sinner
 

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No true according to God's Word.



The false teachers have deceived you in to believing OSAS heresy, so you will continue therein.

Matters Not to me that you do not Believe In Gods Gift of Salvation is ONLY given ONCE…
After a Bodily Death…
And foolish to believe otherwise.

So…
Are you soul Saved?
Are you Quickened?
If so…
How many Times did it take, before God Got it Accomplished?

Yes, and some after having been born again fall away

Nah

God's Word warns of such so that's how we know it's possible to lose salvation

No kidding.
How do you Lose a Gift, that was Bought and paid for FOR You?

Ding, ding, ding,
You Refuse to Reach Out And Take the Gift!
Duh.

Ya think, the All knowing God Forces Men to Take His Gift Offering?

Or Ya think the Dead, Receiving their Gift, Return to their Life, and say, nah, changed my mind… Take Your gift back God…
Gee, don’t know why you gave your gift to me… since YOU, God, All/Knowing… knew I didn’t really want it…
But, ha, ha, ha. fooled God.

Keep swinging there bud, one of these days you'll get it!

LOL, funny comment from the one trailing in the rear.

Some teach that after becoming Christians God cannot see any sin that they may commit.

Some say all kinds of stupid things Because they Do NOT know what Sin Is.

Which is why many Christians believe they can continue living in sin thinking God is oblivious to any sin they commit so they think they can let their freak flag fly.

Since you are Quoting no one… I will attribute your words to You…

This of course is more false doctrine coming out of your OSAS heresy camp.

How many times did you lie to God, confessing you believed… Fooled the All knowing God… and He gave you His Gift?

Those in the OSAS heresy camp have been indoctrinated to not accept all the Lord says in His Word and to mock God by claiming if a man sows to the flesh (sins) he does not reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

You sure think you know a lot about Salvation… you know. That flimsy Gift that is given, Returned like a pair of shoes you don’t like…

That's why you keep saying you are a sinner.

No. I do not keep saying that…
You being a gaslighter and speaking for everyone else.

You do not understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ having been indoctrinated by the OSAS heresy camp.

Maybe you'll get it someday and stop seeing yourself as sill being under bondage to sin claiming to be a sinner.

I Am a forgiven sinner who does not commit sin…
And poor you… liar, false accuser and gaslighter at heart…with no idea what sin is.
 

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That's funny.

Now you are saying you are a sinner but you don't commit sin. Hilarious! :Laughingoutloud:

What I’ve said is:
I am a forgiven sinner.
I am IN Christ.
I do not commit sin.
:Thumbsup:

You do not know what sin IS.
Your are carnal minded.
You do not understand Spiritual things.
Liars Lie.
False accusers Falsely Accuse.
:thumbsdown:

What Scripture says:
God Forgives Sin.
The born again can not commit Sin.
The Carnal minded are Against God.
The Carnal minded are Spiritually discerned.
False Accuser's Lie.
Knowing the Truth IS Wise.
Understanding the Truth IS Wisdom.
:thumbsup:

Stubbornness IS Weakness.
Let the Ignorant be Ignorant.

Finding your lies, false accusing, ignorance hilarious…Makes God Laugh…
Not because it is Funny…
Rather scornful.
 
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Brothers, Sisters, we are speaking about the words of our Lord, so let us also keep His spirit while we speak.

Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9). Let us seek peace, not to win over each other.

He also said, “A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; even as I have loved you” (John 13:34). If our words lose love, then we have already stepped away from what He asked of us.

Remember also His warning, “Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?” (Matthew 7:3). Let each of us first look at our own heart with humility.

And He said, “He that is greatest among you shall be your servant” (Matthew 23:11). So let us not try to rise above one another, but serve one another in truth.

Let us slow down, listen, and speak with care. We are not enemies. We are brothers who are seeking the same Lord.

May our words bring light, not division, and may we honor Him not only by what we say, but by how we treat each other.

Blessings yo you both @Taken, @Dan Clarkston
 
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Ah, our first contestant claiming they are incapable of keeping themselves from sinning through the power of the Holy Spirit.
(this is understood by the question you are asking which let us know you believe nobody can cease from sin)

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

I'm not willing or knowingly committing sin. Are you doing things you know are sinful and you decide to do the sin anyway? If so, that's very dangerous ground and makes one separated from the Lord as this is choosing to turn away from the Lord to engage in sinful behavior.

Now a couple of days ago I dropped something on the floor that demonstrates I'm not perfect in the literal sense as Jesus was when He was living on earth. He never made any mistakes like dropping things on the floor, forgetting to do something, or doing anything in error because He was perfect in His earthly life in the literal sense and was the only man in the history of man to literally be perfect.

But my short coming of the mistake of dropping something is NOT a sin unto death (separation from God). Making mistakes (falling short of God's absolute perfection) which is the type of sin that is automatically cleansed by the Blood of Jesus IF a person is walking in the Spirit (walking in Light) because it is not a sin unto death since it is simply a mistake, falling short of absolute perfection.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When a person knows something is sinful and they choose to do the sin anyway, that is the type of sin that is "sin unto death"

1 John 5:16-17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and
he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto
death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Have you ever seen these passages???

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Is there any reason why you choose to not believe these passages and the ones in the first post?

You equate dropping something on the floor with sin, revealing that you have a faulty understanding of what sin even is. Christ was indeed perfect, that does not mean that He never cut a board too short or never stepped awkwardly off a ladder etc.

Its a sin to spend the majority of ones time wagging their finger at others, wouldn't you agree? Prayerlessness is sin as well, a man who truly loves his brothers and spends much time in prayer for them, would surely have a more measured approach when dealing with them, and others with whom they disagree.

I"f we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

You appear to be in grave danger of becoming the living fulfillment of this scripture, if it hasn't happened already.

Repent and believe the Good News.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light my friend.
 
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