First Church Assembly

I think the best thing to do is start reading about the Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament.Acts is the history of how Christianity was founded and organized and solved its problems. Acts begins where the Gospels finish.Acts: Written by Luke (After his gospel) it is an accurate record of the establishment and expansion of the early church. This covers Peter and Pauls ministry.After Acts go on to Romans in which Paul begins his message to the Romans (by letter/epistles)around 57 ADThis is the first of many letters sent to various churches that spread out from Jerusalem.That should keep you going for now.

(cooolway;21925)
Is there any historians that studied about this?Because whenever I go to school, I see these Christians singing with loud music. I always laugh at them because I think they are bunch of wackos (no offence).I always think, what would Jesus (peace be upon him) do if he came into their singing room? Would he start singing? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever sung? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever played an instrument? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever gloried music? Did he or his diciples ever spoke in tounges? Did his diciples heal the sick through "the power of Jesus Christ"?
Hi Coolway,I think that you have to remember that Christians singing with hymns and musical accompaniment is a form of worship and joy at being strong in faith.The Muslim equivalent to this is probably the prayers or Salat.Prior to prayer you make preparations such as wudu or ritual cleansing and this is followed by five periods during the day when you carry out set rak'ats.You carrying out Takbir, Qawam, Ruku, Sajdah which are various standing, kneeling, prostration and arm lifting would probably seem strange to a Christian onlooker.So it really is a case of what you are used to.The best way to understand the history of Christianity and what the disciples did is to get a study bible.

(cooolway;21937)
We perform salat because Prophet Mohammad (Peace be Upon Him) used to perform salat the same way, and he said that this is a form of prayer.I wish we could sing around and dance in a form of "prayer" but that's only our desire.So we followed our leader, did the Christians follow their leader? Since Jesus Christ (Peace be Upon Him) or his disciples never sung, never played instrument and nor did he never gloried music and singing in church, where did you get the idea from?
Singing is still allowed and will always be. It is a non issue. It fact the living God loves to hear His childrens sing unto Him.James 5:13 - Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.Jag

(cooolway;21937)
We perform salat because Prophet Mohammad (Peace be Upon Him) used to perform salat the same way, and he said that this is a form of prayer.I wish we could sing around and dance in a form of "prayer" but that's only our desire.So we followed our leader, did the Christians follow their leader? Since Jesus Christ (Peace be Upon Him) or his disciples never sung, never played instrument and nor did he never gloried music and singing in church, where did you get the idea from?
It seems that the prophet said the way he performed salat was a form of prayer (did he say this was the only way to pray?)I think Jesus never confirmed or denied the validity of a particular type of praying or worship (I may be wrong). I believe the integrity,motivation, sincerity and honest thankfulness of prayer and worship means more to God than the method. Jesus had a problem with the Pharisees and Saducees who were more concerned with the hypocisy of technicalities of religion.As far as God or Allah is concerned - who are we to decide what way we think they want us to worship him.I leave it up to God to put me right if I am wrong - after all any form of prayer or worship is saying thanks, hey?

(cooolway;21809)
Hi, I want to know how the first church assembly took place. Giving me a link to a website regarding this is even better. How are they similar and how are they different? Please have citiations. I believe in Jesus Christ and as Muslims, we believe the true followers of Jesus Christ went to heaven. And then saints later on changed the word of God.
God says church is where two or more gather in his name. So this started at the beginning of time with the first humans on earth. You can find ancient documents like the dead Sea scrolls that the books like Isaiah an such are still word for word. The Word was first the Bible tells us. If God could create all the universe and mankind do you not think he could protect his Word? It was never changed by the saints. The only changes have been by modern men and their translations,thankfully we have the manuscripts and can easily find these bad translations.

(cooolway;21925)
Is there any historians that studied about this?Because whenever I go to school, I see these Christians singing with loud music. I always laugh at them because I think they are bunch of wackos (no offence).I always think, what would Jesus (peace be upon him) do if he came into their singing room? Would he start singing? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever sung? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever played an instrument? Has Jesus (peace be upon him) ever gloried music? Did he or his diciples ever spoke in tounges? Did his diciples heal the sick through "the power of Jesus Christ"?
He put a new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put their trust in the LORD. (Psalms 40:3)When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. (Matthew 26:30, also Mark 14:26)About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. (Acts 16:25).Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the LORD : "I will sing to the LORD, for he is highly exalted. The horse and its rider he has hurled into the sea. (Exodus 15:1)Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy. (Psalms 33:3)There are many many more scriptural passages that talks about singing. Moses, David, the apostles, Jesus before the crucifixion. It was Muhammad who abolished it for the Muslims.Strangely in Islam, what would Zabur be then?

As stated in the extract from an article about the Zabur "However, the Gospels and Psalms have found no place in an Islamic canon and their contents are mostly ignored and unknown to Muslims. "Maybe Muslims should seek a better understanding of Christianity by reading the Gospels as they are 1 of the 4 four books regarded as divinely revealed.Three sections of the Bible are cited by the Koran as being Divinely revealed: the Pentateuch, or Books of Moses (Tawrat); the Psalms of David (Zabur); and the Gospels of Jesus (Injil)...However, the Gospels and Psalms have found no place in an Islamic canon and their contents are mostly ignored and unknown to Muslims. Moreover, the Gospel poses particular difficulties in Islam. Leaving aside the distinction between direct revelation from God, which is the case of the Koran (in Arabic tanzil, which corresponds to sruti in Sanskrit), and secondary inspiration (in Arabic ilham, the equivalent of smrti in Sanskrit), which is the case of the Gospels, the Christian Gospel clashes with Islamic understanding of doctrine on several points, most importantly regarding the nature of Jesus...I have never understood why Muslims do not read these other books as they are regarded as part of the canon.

(cooolway;21995)
I thank you all for answering me, really... I asked this same question in another Christian forum and I got multiple warnings and the threat of being banned.Here's another thing that I don't get about Christianity, Who is King James? Was he a prophet? Did God officially appointed him to write the Bible? Look, as a Muslim, I believe the Bible contains some truth (as what the OFFICIALLY APPOINTED prophets wrote like Moses), but not what Paul and James wrote.And isn't psalms a verse from the Bible? Allah says in the Noble Quran too to recite the verses in a "harmonious" way:" He who recites the Qur'an will be told on the Day of Judgment ". Recite the Qur'an now in the same clear and distinct manner and in the same harmonious style in which you used to recite it with care and propriety in the world and as a reward for the recitation of each verse you shell be elevated one degree higher and your ultimate place is near the end of the final verse"So that verse could mean to recite the verses of the Bible in a harmonious way? I still don't think they used to sing songs with instruments in the church close to Jesus Christ ascendent.
King James is just a king from England back in 1600 AD era. He's not a prophet. And King James did not do the translating the Word of God. It was the translators that King James called on. They are the one that translated from Hebrew to English in the Old Testament and Greek to English in the New Testament.Psalm is a book from the Bible.About Paul and James...they are apostles of Lord Jesus Christ.II Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:Major difference between Islam and Christianity:Bible: Bible prophecy are revealed to many prophets.Qu'ran: Qu'ran was revealed to one person that is your prophet Muhammad.#2 Bible is so much older than the Qu'ran. Sure the Qu'ran says the bible is corrupted, but it never says where it is corrupted so that's not good at all.#3 The Qu'ran contradicts themselves in places, and some places they are telling a difinately different story than what the bible says. Both can't be telling the truth.Likewise one is telling the FULL truth, and one is telling a COMPLETE lie.Jesus (who is God) or Muhammad (a sinful man)As a Christian I care so much for your soul. In fact I care so much about every single soul of Muslim ever exist.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Love you so much cooolway from Jag.

(cooolway;21996)
Thank You, I had no idea what Zabur was. Quite amazing. I will read up more on that in Wikipedia.
I always suspect those that are motivated to drive a wedge between Jews, Christians and Muslims. There are many at work in the world today who are pushing that wedge in firmer - by using our respective lack of knowledge about each others scriptures. Satan is the one creating that disharmony and using it so we destroy each other.Read the following articles with sincerity in your heart and see the positive similarities between faiths.http://injil.org/Kalimatullah/fourthings.html#Heading2http://injil.org/Kalimatullah/revelations.html#Heading4By understanding the reality of each others faith only then can we have true debate and reconcilliation.We can all be duped into believing the wildly inaccurate tales spun to cause friction between us.We all, at judgement day, are personally accountable to God for our actions therefore it is our personal responsibility to ensure we find out the truth of our faith and not let others fool us into their interpretations - especially those that whisper with the voice evil.Thanks for coming coolway

(cooolway;21996)
Thank You, I had no idea what Zabur was. Quite amazing. I will read up more on that in Wikipedia.
I must say that I am surprised that a Muslim does not know what Zabur is. It is mentioned a number of times in the Qur'an, together with David (Daud). Before I add other posts, I like to know if you know what Taurat, Injil means.Oh BTW. Wikipedia is not the best source ... it's good, though not always correct.

(cooolway;22130)
Taurat are Injil are repeated many times in the Noble Quran. Just never heard Zabur.
Peace be with you.Hope you will find it. It's mentioned by name three times in the Qur'an.Oh, and you did not answer my questions about Taurat and Injil.

Mohammad was anything but a messenger of God he is Allah's messenger and Allah is not our GodWhy dont you read Psalm 22 written almost 1000 years before Christ was crucified yet prophesied it exactly from the words he said on the cross to the casting of lots for his clothes