Randy Kluth
Well-Known Member
I was referring to Adam's answer to God when He called him to account...That's speculation because... God's Word never says that.
Unless you have scripture references showing where God says in His Word "Adam was manipulated by Eve"
If you could post that up for us to check out, that's be good! View attachment 39191
Gen 3.11 And he said, “Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
The following suggests that when the Serpent deceived Eve, her deception led her to want to share with her husband. He willfully embraced *her deception* even though he was not initially deceived.
Gen 3.6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
The fact both Adam and Eve appeared to be surprised by the kind of knowledge they obtained, ie their "nakedness" indicates to me that neither Adam nor Eve fully understood what they were pursuing, or fully recognized the deception that was in the proposal.
Adam therefore capitulated to his wife's deception, while the wife herself was the original victim of that deception. Adam was weak towards the woman, and the woman was weak towards the Serpent.
In saying that Adam was not deceived we are just being told what we read in Genesis. Eve was the original victim of the deception.
Adam's sin came through the woman who was originally deceived. The Serpent had found the woman a "softer target." But Adam was indirectly hit by the same deception, though he was not originally the victim of that deception.
I think we're just getting into semantical differences. The Bible indicates all of mankind, male and female, suffer the deceptions of Satan currently. To be victimized by that one embraces a "deception," and does not always consciously reject God Himself.God's Word very clearly tells us that Adam was NOT deceived... this means He knew what he was wrong and he choose to do it anyway... this is a great example of someone who decides to put what they want before what God wants which is a form of idolatry.
Eve fell for the deception involving the promise of knowledge. Adam fell for Eve's participation in that deception, becoming guilty of willfully choosing for what his flesh desired over what his spirit desired.
But in sinning as such out of selfish interest he did not reject God completely. His spirit continued to desire God. But in rejecting God's word he caused a separation between himself and God.
And he lacked awareness that he was doing this. He was not rejecting God completely, though he was aware that he was disobeying God. He did not think God was fooling Him, as Eve thought. He just did not fully contemplate that in disobeying God's word he was, in some measure, rejecting God (though not completely nor for all time).
Yes, this is a semantical difference. When I speak of "rejecting God" I'm speaking of rejecting God *for all time.* In some sense we all reject God every time we choose to disobey Him. But in my life I know that I on a number of occasions deliberately disobeyed God's word without fully wanting to dispose of Him in my life.He put self in front of God as himself being of more value than God by deciding to do what he wanted to do instead of what God told Him to do... this is rejecting the Lord in favor of self!
Have a nice day.