ScottA: Heretic, or No?

ScottA · May 5, 2026

@All

Please allow me to clarify: Thank you to those who have now been so kind as to encourage one who may appear to be leaving--I am humbled by your great expression of Christian love! But I am not doing this for me. For me, I might just walk away, maybe say to some, so long, I shall see you again, with thanks. But I am rather doing this more public than private...because, if you have or haven't noticed, no one is answering the poll--which I suspected no one who would actually say YES would. And yet those same people say plenty and more here daily--with daggers--not just to or of me, but as a sign that their own position is not otherwise defensible.

Have I been on the rude end of their behavior--you bet I have. And I have choices personally in how to handle it. I have reported some, warned others (according to their own measure), and I have taken the matter to God--and this--this is the result. Are stones being overturned--for their sake, I hope so.

As for me leaving or staying--God is good--I expect the best!

PS, I see there are votes...thank you!

ScottA · May 5, 2026

amigo de christo said:
If i made a post like this i can only imagine the number of votes against me as being a heritic .
And all i do is point to JESUS and keep things simple . I worry not what man finds pleasing nor about being accepted of man .
JESUS has his sheep and its TO HE we owe all . if TRUTH offends than the one offended is the one to be blamed
NOT the TRUTH or the one speaking it . Now to the trenches one and all .
REAL PERSECUTIONS are coming against all who did not conform to an ecumeincal harlot and her love .
Words on a screen are but words on a screen . REAL hard core persecutions are coming against the sheep who do not CONFORM .

And it's not just coming in the future.

Jay Ross · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
Did you not understand what I was saying about that perspective actually being the opposite of what is really true with God?

In other words, no, God did not plant in us a root that draws us to Himself at the point of our salvation (at the time of being born again of His spirit)--that happens well before the fact of salvation. Which is not a root in the flesh to save the flesh, but a root in the flesh to bring forth life from what has died, as in the planting of a seed where the body that was is not at all the body that is produced...but a body born of the Spirit that is like the wind and even unseen, which the flesh was never like. Meaning, there is no salvation of the flesh, it still dies and is no more. There is no process as many believe--for the flesh is not transformed, but replaced.

The miracle of life and salvation then, is that what is produced is new and perfect, for the actual seed is not of the flesh of one dead, but of God who is perfect.

ScottA, it is not possible in under 100 words to fully express what the way to God's truth is, and how we are able to receive it. Often when I read your posts, I sense that there is something not quite right in what you write just like you sense when you read what I post.

In the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel tells us that God will gather all of Israel to Himself and that He will plant them in His fertile soil/field and that He will teach them on the Religion, which is described as a mountain, of Israel. He also describes how God will sprinkle them with water to cleanse them.

Ezekiel also tells Israel that God will give them a covenant of peace for a period of time by removing the wicked fallen heavenly hosts from the face of the earth when they return to Him.

Now what is true for Israel is also true for the Gentiles with the added provision of the Gentiles being grafted to the Stump of Jessie.

At that time the iron band inhibiting any growth from the stump of Jessie will be broken off of the stump and the fig tree will begin to sprout so as to produce fruit once more.

In twelve verses, Ezekiel paints a timeline of how God's salvation will grow over time until it flows over an escarpment into the marshlands below to bring healing to the land. Jesus' parable of the Sower also paints a similar picture. Both speak of the journey for mankind over this time period to gain Life through Him.

Gaining our salvation is straight forward and relatively simple to achieve, but it also requires that we take up our cross daily to follow Him.

Being rejected by other members of this forum because of what we post or say is our respective cross to bear in our life journey on this forum and in real life. For some this journey is not difficult to bear but for others they often become frustrated and feel like they are being rejected, even by well-meaning people. That is our cross to bear and carry with joy in our heart.

It is our role to convey what God is telling us to convey, but it is God's role to bring in the fruit from our endeavours, not ours.

Shalom

ScottA · May 5, 2026

Jay Ross said:
ScottA, it is not possible in under 100 words to fully express what the way to God's truth is, and how we are able to receive it. Often when I read your posts, I sense that there is something not quite right in what you write just like you sense when you read what I post.

In the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel tells us that God will gather all of Israel to Himself and that He will plant them in His fertile soil/field and that He will teach them on the Religion, which is described as a mountain, of Israel. He also describes how God will sprinkle them with water to cleanse them.

Ezekiel also tells Israel that God will give them a covenant of peace for a period of time by removing the wicked fallen heavenly hosts from the face of the earth when they return to Him.

Now what is true for Israel is also true for the Gentiles with the added provision of the Gentiles being grafted to the Stump of Jessie.

At that time the iron band inhibiting any growth from the stump of Jessie will be broken off of the stump and the fig tree will begin to sprout so as to produce fruit once more.

In twelve verses, Ezekiel paints a timeline of how God's salvation will grow over time until it flows over an escarpment into the marshlands below to bring healing to the land. Jesus' parable of the Sower also paints a similar picture. Both speak of the journey for mankind over this time period to gain Life through Him.

Gaining our salvation is straight forward and relatively simple to achieve, but it also requires that we take up our cross daily to follow Him.

Being rejected by other members of this forum because of what we post or say is our respective cross to bear in our life journey on this forum and in real life. For some this journey is not difficult to bear but for others they often become frustrated and feel like they are being rejected, even by well-meaning people. That is our cross to bear and carry with joy in our heart.

It is our role to convey what God is telling us to convey, but it is God's role to bring in the fruit from our endeavours, not ours.

Shalom

Unlike times past, this is a time for being concise and to the point. Which means we can surely continue with doctrinal issues, but it would be better if we understand that during these times corrections should be expected--and therefore, I am posting in light of the struggle that we naturally do with debate, but is now of no benefit, "for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed" a phrase Paul advised for these times.

You have been referring to Israel, I have been referring to the times of the gentiles. There is indeed a difference. "First to the Jew and also to the Greek." "But the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Meaning, that light of Israel unto the gentiles--and even the miracles of Christ--were by natural, but merely pointing to the spiritual. Thus, Christ then declared the need to be born again of the spirit of God--and did not teach "the kingdom of this world is like (which Israel lived under)", but taught what "the kingdom of God (whom is spirit) is like." He was the Apex and the cusp between the flesh and this world, and the Spirit and the kingdom that is not of this world.

So, yes, when we are first born of the flesh "what is true for Israel is also true for the Gentiles"--but that is the extent of it.

More importantly, the times of the gentiles, are the times of God pouring out His spirit upon all flesh (beginning at Pentecost) which came upon Israel, but was rejected by many. The times of Israel ended with the Spirit, but were primarily known as times of worldly events and fleshly existence. But not so for the gentiles--these times are to be known as the times of being born again of the Spirit, living and walking in the Spirit--and of the "greater works" spoken of by Christ. And if "greater", then not the same...unless they are--and often they are--but only by those who also reject it as many of Israel also did.

And that difference--is salvation--which did not come during the times of the house of Israel, for their house was "finished" as stated by Christ before He ascended and sent the Holy Spirit. The point is to "oscillate" between the two is fleshly baggage, the result of associating the flesh old man with the new man born of the spirit of God--which ought not to have any real communion, nor even be looked at as one and the same.

quietthinker · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
Only someone who has never read my testimony would ask a question like that. Which says more about you than me.

You're asking the question to people who probably haven't read your testimony so why feel put out because my question in reply hits a nerve?

Jay Ross · May 5, 2026

@ScottA Israel is still experiencing the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon them and the completion of this visitation will not occur until the end of the fourth age of their existence. As Paul rightly stated, "when the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, after that all of Israel will be saved. In other words, God is not done with Israel yet, but on the other hand if Israel has lost its saltiness then Israel is worthless and will be thrown out onto the dung heap and forgotten.

The same is also true for the Gentiles, if we the Gentiles have lost our saltiness as well, we will be discarded by God and also thrown onto the dung heap. As God told Abraham, "He will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and Israel will also be a blessing to all of the people of the earth who have taken root in His fertile soil."

Shalom

Taken · May 5, 2026

ScottA: Heretic, or No?

No

Ziggy · May 5, 2026

The meaning of HERETIC is a person who differs in opinion from established religious dogma;

The Vatican called Galileo a heretic for saying the earth revolved around the sun.

Maybe sometimes the heretics are right.

Sometimes it don't matter what you think or what you say, people will find a reason to argue.
So, I found I have a couple of choices.
I can walk away or I can hit the IGNORE button.
Because sometimes there is just no pleasing the unpleasants.

I haven't read your testimony @ScottA .
And I'm in no position to judge one way or the other, because you see,
sometimes I am a heretic and I don't always go along with the crowd.

Sometimes God gives different people different ways of understanding things.
And who am I to judge another's servant?

I wonder what they must have thought of John when he brought forth the book of Revelation.
God gives to some more or less depending on what they are able to receive.

And we are ever learning.

Hugs

ScottA · May 5, 2026

quietthinker said:
You're asking the question to people who probably haven't read your testimony so why feel put out because my question in reply hits a nerve?

I am not asking "people who probably haven't read my testimony", but those who should have before making judgment. As I said, I have posted my testimony here many times, and there are regulars here who judge without all the information.

quietthinker · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
I am not asking "people who probably haven't read my testimony", but those who should have before making judgment. As I said, I have posted my testimony here many times, and there are regulars here who judge without all the information.

Any judgement (however you view it) is in your estimation. I asked a question.

Ziggy · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
I am not asking "people who probably haven't read my testimony", but those who should have before making judgment. As I said, I have posted my testimony here many times, and there are regulars here who judge without all the information.

I have a question.
If time is scientifically an illusion. Then how do we know the time of the end?
I believe we come to the end before and it keeps revolving forever.
Always a new beginning.
If the Gospels portray the end of Israel having the keys to the kingdom and now the keys are back in the Lord's hands, how do we know we haven't been this way before?

Just thinking..
Hugs

quietthinker · May 5, 2026

Ziggy said:
The meaning of HERETIC is a person who differs in opinion from established religious dogma;

The Vatican called Galileo a heretic for saying the earth revolved around the sun.

Maybe sometimes the heretics are right.

Sometimes it don't matter what you think or what you say, people will find a reason to argue.
So, I found I have a couple of choices.
I can walk away or I can hit the IGNORE button.
Because sometimes there is just no pleasing the unpleasants.

I haven't read your testimony @ScottA .
And I'm in no position to judge one way or the other, because you see,
sometimes I am a heretic and I don't always go along with the crowd.

Sometimes God gives different people different ways of understanding things.
And who am I to judge another's servant?

I wonder what they must have thought of John when he brought forth the book of Revelation.
God gives to some more or less depending on what they are able to receive.

And we are ever learning.

Hugs

Challenges, by their very nature are difficult.
In my view, the ignore button is for those who can't, don't want to, have a myopic view or feel threatened by unfamiliar or strange positions.
True learning increases when courage steps out of the fishbowl paradigm and allows (does not resist) God's Spirit to lead/ guide.

ScottA · May 5, 2026

Jay Ross said:
@ScottA Israel is still experiencing the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon them and the completion of this visitation will not occur until the end of the fourth age of their existence. As Paul rightly stated, "when the fullness with respect to time of the Gentiles is completed, after that all of Israel will be saved. In other words, God is not done with Israel yet, but on the other hand if Israel has lost its saltiness then Israel is worthless and will be thrown out onto the dung heap and forgotten.

The same is also true for the Gentiles, if we the Gentiles have lost our saltiness as well, we will be discarded by God and also thrown onto the dung heap. As God told Abraham, "He will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel and Israel will also be a blessing to all of the people of the earth who have taken root in His fertile soil."

Shalom

You are interpreting in denial of Jesus coming for "the house of Israel" and then saying "It is finished."

That is enough said.

Anchorite · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
Let's hear it! What is the measure--the whole house, or only a few?

I am tired of being accused and called names.

I have given my testimony here on Christiany Board a half dozen times or more, published books on the details; and have been here for years not discussing, not weighing in, not giving my opinion or conjecture, but being "silent" personally allowing the Holy Spirit to speak within the parameters commanded by God regarding these times. But I don't like hanging out where I am not welcome. And I let a lot just roll off my back. But it's enough.

The Lord God sets before us all "life and death, blessing and cursing"--and today by His authority I am setting before you that same choice. I have presented the Holy Spirit, and this is that limit set by Christ of blaspheming against the Spirit that will not be forgiven (Matthew 12:31).

Your vote will determine whether I dust off my feet or not. Please vote.

You are “by His authority” setting before us that same choice — life and death?

You are NOT setting before us the choice of life and death. Only God can do that. You need to have a more sober, realistic view of yourself, I think.

Then you confusedly throw in something about blaspheming the Holy Spirit and not being forgiven!?

Is this supposed to frighten people?

This is a very peculiar post. It seems to be drawing attention to yourself and fishing for compliments.

ScottA · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
I am not asking "people who probably haven't read my testimony", but those who should have before making judgment. As I said, I have posted my testimony here many times, and there are regulars here who judge without all the information.

I answered, making your question--not a question--but a statement.

But no, it doesn't "hit a nerve", it misses the mark.

quietthinker · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
I answered, making your question not a question--not a question--but a statement.

But no, it doesn't "hit a nerve", it misses the mark.

I guess denial by either you or me inevitably draws a wrong conclusion. It behooves us to pursue self honesty in spite of ego.

Ziggy · May 5, 2026

quietthinker said:
Challenges, by their very nature are difficult.
In my view, the ignore button is for those who can't, don't want to, have a myopic view or feel threatened by unfamiliar or strange positions.
True learning increases when courage steps out of the fishbowl paradigm and allows (does not resist) God's Spirit to lead/ guide.

Sometimes they just want to be annoying.
And unfruitful.
Hugs

ScottA · May 5, 2026

quietthinker said:
I guess denial by either you or me inevitably draws a wrong conclusion. It behooves us to pursue self honesty in spite of ego.

You think those caught up and sent out by God are out to serve their own ego? Your psychology sounds more and more like illness.

quietthinker · May 5, 2026

ScottA said:
You think those caught up and sent out by God are out to serve their own ego?

No I don't think that.
What I think is that you have an image of yourself as sent by God that I am not persuaded of.
What I am persuaded of is that your self reflection lacks honesty.

ScottA said:
Your psychology sounds more and more like illness.

As does yours

ScottA · May 5, 2026

Ziggy said:
I have a question.
If time is scientifically an illusion. Then how do we know the time of the end?
I believe we come to the end before and it keeps revolving forever.
Always a new beginning.
If the Gospels portray the end of Israel having the keys to the kingdom and now the keys are back in the Lord's hands, how do we know we haven't been this way before?

Just thinking..
Hugs

History does seem to repeat, but that is just God giving lessons to future generations, that we may learn from the past. Such is the light of Israel to the gentiles--sometimes darkness.

But repeating is not really what is going on. It is rather each generation and each person facing the same things set before us all by God--"but, each one in his own order" or time. That is the end as Paul defined it. Which we all face.

As for the last generation or the end of this world--God has counted the numbers of hair on everyone's head, surely He has determined the last just as He determined the first. And where are we on that untime illusionary would-be timeline created within this world for the purpose of a slow and gentle revealing of all truth? We are at the "finish" when the seventh angel was foretold "is about to sound" (Revelation 10:7).

ScottA: Heretic, or No?

Would you call ScottA a heretic?

YES.

No.

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