Three days and three nights in the heart of the earth

Mathētria said:

Your entire reconstruction depends on a private, improvised counting system that neither Jesus nor His audience ever used. That’s why I asked you to choose a reckoning method first—because without a consistent method, any timeline can be forced to “fit,” even if it contradicts the Gospel accounts themselves.

The core issue you still haven’t addressed​

I asked you two simple clarifying questions:

1. Which reckoning method are you using?
   • Jewish Inclusive Reckoning
   • literal 72‑hour
   • or something else
2. Which weekday do you believe the crucifixion occurred?

You didn’t answer either one.
Instead, you created a new hybrid system that:

• requires exact 12‑hour day segments
• requires exact 12‑hour night segments
• rejects any part‑day counting
• rejects Sunday dawn as “too early”
• counts burial only after sunset
• but also counts “near sunset” as a full night
• and then shifts the crucifixion day multiple times to fix contradictions

This is not Jewish reckoning, not Roman reckoning, not literal 72‑hour reckoning, and not anything the biblical writers used.

Without a consistent method, your conclusion can’t be evaluated.

Your system contradicts the Gospel data​

The Gospels state plainly:

• Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
• The disciples on Sunday said, “today is the third day since these things happened” (Luke 24:21).
• Preparation Day = the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42).
• The Sabbath began at Friday sunset (Luke 23:54).

Your timeline requires:

• resurrection Saturday night, not Sunday
• Sunday morning not being “the third day”
• the women arriving after the resurrection, not before
• the Sabbath being something other than the weekly Sabbath
• the burial not counting as “in the heart of the earth” until hours later

These are direct conflicts with the text.

Your own calculation collapses under its rules​

You argued:

• Jesus must be in the earth exactly 72 hours
• Thursday burial produces 3 days and 4 nights
• therefore Thursday doesn’t work
• therefore resurrection must be Saturday night
• therefore crucifixion must be Wednesday
• therefore the women found the tomb empty Sunday dawn even though He rose Saturday night

This is not a coherent timeline.
It is a series of adjustments to rescue a predetermined conclusion.

Why I asked you to choose a method​

Because once a method is chosen, the timeline becomes testable.

• Jewish inclusive reckoning → Friday burial to Sunday dawn = “the third day.”
• Literal 72‑hour reckoning → Sunday dawn cannot be “the third day.”
• Your hybrid system → contradicts both Scripture and itself.

Until you identify which method you are using, the discussion can’t move forward.

So before we go any further, please answer the original question:

Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define clearly and consistently?

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I have a very serious question for us all to ponder and pray about my friend .
What method are most now preaching as salvation to GOD .
Cause i sees me a real broad diverse and strange love path that has made the way to GOD VERY , and i do mean VERY
as in SIN ACCEPTING AND UNBELIEF ACCEPTING path to GOD . THAT A BROAD ROAD there my friend .
SO believe me when i say ecumeincalism intefaith interrelious dialgoue be of satan and that which is of anti christ .
BROAD is the way that leads to destruction . BuT THEY believe this broad way leadeth to peace n saf ety .
NOPE . SUDDEN destruction , AS IN THEIRS , shall come upon all those hands that joined in that lie
by the very GOD and HIS CHRIST they DENIED . Muhammed wont be saving squat , let alone himself .
JESUS saves . TO bE SAVED one must surely BELIEVE ON HIM and he who does WOULD have beleived HIS WORDS .

Mathētria said:

Your entire reconstruction depends on a private, improvised counting system that neither Jesus nor His audience ever used. That’s why I asked you to choose a reckoning method first—because without a consistent method, any timeline can be forced to “fit,” even if it contradicts the Gospel accounts themselves.

The core issue you still haven’t addressed​

I asked you two simple clarifying questions:

1. Which reckoning method are you using?
   • Jewish Inclusive Reckoning
   • literal 72‑hour
   • or something else
2. Which weekday do you believe the crucifixion occurred?

You didn’t answer either one.
Instead, you created a new hybrid system that:

• requires exact 12‑hour day segments
• requires exact 12‑hour night segments
• rejects any part‑day counting
• rejects Sunday dawn as “too early”
• counts burial only after sunset
• but also counts “near sunset” as a full night
• and then shifts the crucifixion day multiple times to fix contradictions

This is not Jewish reckoning, not Roman reckoning, not literal 72‑hour reckoning, and not anything the biblical writers used.

Without a consistent method, your conclusion can’t be evaluated.

Your system contradicts the Gospel data​

The Gospels state plainly:

• Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
• The disciples on Sunday said, “today is the third day since these things happened” (Luke 24:21).
• Preparation Day = the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42).
• The Sabbath began at Friday sunset (Luke 23:54).

Your timeline requires:

• resurrection Saturday night, not Sunday
• Sunday morning not being “the third day”
• the women arriving after the resurrection, not before
• the Sabbath being something other than the weekly Sabbath
• the burial not counting as “in the heart of the earth” until hours later

These are direct conflicts with the text.

Your own calculation collapses under its rules​

You argued:

• Jesus must be in the earth exactly 72 hours
• Thursday burial produces 3 days and 4 nights
• therefore Thursday doesn’t work
• therefore resurrection must be Saturday night
• therefore crucifixion must be Wednesday
• therefore the women found the tomb empty Sunday dawn even though He rose Saturday night

This is not a coherent timeline.
It is a series of adjustments to rescue a predetermined conclusion.

Why I asked you to choose a method​

Because once a method is chosen, the timeline becomes testable.

• Jewish inclusive reckoning → Friday burial to Sunday dawn = “the third day.”
• Literal 72‑hour reckoning → Sunday dawn cannot be “the third day.”
• Your hybrid system → contradicts both Scripture and itself.

Until you identify which method you are using, the discussion can’t move forward.

So before we go any further, please answer the original question:

Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define clearly and consistently?

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so whether a man beleives he was crucified on a thurs or a fri
AINT NEARLY as IMPORTANT as Whether a man BELIEVES HIS WORDS or not . OH YES .
many there be which now call JESUS a liar and this ecumeincal WHORE of all harlots a truth speaker .
You do realize what happens to those who made and loved a lie . IF you dont let me refresh your memory
LAKE OF FIRE . that be their end .

Mathētria said:

Your entire reconstruction depends on a private, improvised counting system that neither Jesus nor His audience ever used. That’s why I asked you to choose a reckoning method first—because without a consistent method, any timeline can be forced to “fit,” even if it contradicts the Gospel accounts themselves.

The core issue you still haven’t addressed​

I asked you two simple clarifying questions:

1. Which reckoning method are you using?
   • Jewish Inclusive Reckoning
   • literal 72‑hour
   • or something else
2. Which weekday do you believe the crucifixion occurred?

You didn’t answer either one.
Instead, you created a new hybrid system that:

• requires exact 12‑hour day segments
• requires exact 12‑hour night segments
• rejects any part‑day counting
• rejects Sunday dawn as “too early”
• counts burial only after sunset
• but also counts “near sunset” as a full night
• and then shifts the crucifixion day multiple times to fix contradictions

This is not Jewish reckoning, not Roman reckoning, not literal 72‑hour reckoning, and not anything the biblical writers used.

Without a consistent method, your conclusion can’t be evaluated.

Your system contradicts the Gospel data​

The Gospels state plainly:

• Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
• The disciples on Sunday said, “today is the third day since these things happened” (Luke 24:21).
• Preparation Day = the day before the Sabbath (Mark 15:42).
• The Sabbath began at Friday sunset (Luke 23:54).

Your timeline requires:

• resurrection Saturday night, not Sunday
• Sunday morning not being “the third day”
• the women arriving after the resurrection, not before
• the Sabbath being something other than the weekly Sabbath
• the burial not counting as “in the heart of the earth” until hours later

These are direct conflicts with the text.

Your own calculation collapses under its rules​

You argued:

• Jesus must be in the earth exactly 72 hours
• Thursday burial produces 3 days and 4 nights
• therefore Thursday doesn’t work
• therefore resurrection must be Saturday night
• therefore crucifixion must be Wednesday
• therefore the women found the tomb empty Sunday dawn even though He rose Saturday night

This is not a coherent timeline.
It is a series of adjustments to rescue a predetermined conclusion.

Why I asked you to choose a method​

Because once a method is chosen, the timeline becomes testable.

• Jewish inclusive reckoning → Friday burial to Sunday dawn = “the third day.”
• Literal 72‑hour reckoning → Sunday dawn cannot be “the third day.”
• Your hybrid system → contradicts both Scripture and itself.

Until you identify which method you are using, the discussion can’t move forward.

So before we go any further, please answer the original question:

Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define clearly and consistently?

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my best guess , though i could be wrong is Either thurs or fri . pro bably friday .
But seeing i dont know for sure allow me some parting words about another FRYDAY .
ALL who joined hands with this ecemincal harlot is gonna FRY on the DAY OF CHRIST .
And that is not the FRYDAY any would have looked forward too either .

amigo de christo said:

my best guess , though i could be wrong is Either thurs or fri . pro bably friday .
But seeing i dont know for sure allow me some parting words about another FRYDAY .
ALL who joined hands with this ecemincal harlot is gonna FRY on the DAY OF CHRIST .
And that is not the FRYDAY any would have looked forward too either .

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Sabbath is Saturday.
His body was taken down from cross day before the Sabbath on Preparation day, so then Friday, meaning He dies on Friday on Preparation Day, which is the day before the Sabbath Day.

John 19:30-32​

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30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, “It is finished.” And He bowed His head and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the Preparation, and so that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day (for that Sabbath day was a high day), besought Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.

32 Then came the soldiers and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.

Then there is this info here about when He was risen!
Sabbath is ended, He rose on Sunday, the Jewish day after the Sabbath.
The three days are Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but with Jews a part of a day and night is considered a whole day.
I just accept it and we just don't think about days like they did.

At the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for the angel of the Lord descended from Heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow.

4 And for fear of him the guards shook and became as dead men.

5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, “Fear ye not, for I know that ye seek Jesus, who was crucified.

6 He is not here, for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and behold, He goeth before you into Galilee. There shall ye see Him. Lo, I have told you.”

8 And they departed quickly from the sepulcher with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “All hail.” And they came, and held Him by the feet, and worshiped Him.

10 Then said Jesus unto them, “Be not afraid. Go tell My brethren to go into Galilee, and there shall they see Me.”

amigo de christo said:

my best guess , though i could be wrong, is Either thurs or fri . probably friday .

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You said your “best guess” might be Thursday or Friday. But how could Friday possibly be wrong when the Gospel writers explicitly define the day Jesus died?

Mark leaves no ambiguity:

“the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath.” (Mark 15:42)

The day before the Sabbath (Saturday) is Friday.
Not Thursday. Not “maybe either.” Friday.

Luke confirms the same thing:

“It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning.” (Luke 23:54)

The Sabbath begins at Friday sunset, not Thursday.

So the Gospel writers themselves place the crucifixion on:

• the day of Preparation (Friday)
• as the Sabbath was beginning (Friday sunset)

A Thursday crucifixion would require Luke to say something like:

• “the Sabbath was two days away,”
• or “the festival Sabbath was beginning,”
• or “Passover was beginning.”

But he doesn’t.
He says “the Sabbath was beginning.”

That’s the weekly Sabbath—Saturday.

amigo de christo said:

[...] whether a man beleives he was crucified on a thurs or a fri AINT NEARLY as IMPORTANT as Whether a man BELIEVES HIS WORDS or not .

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You said that whether Jesus was crucified on Thursday or Friday “ain’t nearly as important” as whether someone believes His words. But that doesn’t explain why you joined a discussion about the day of the crucifixion in the first place.

This topic doesn’t have to be “as important as salvation” in order to be worth discussing. If you truly think it’s unimportant, then why participate at all? Why not focus only on the topics you consider essential?

You can’t enter a conversation, make claims, and then—when your claims are examined—declare the topic unimportant. That’s not an argument; it’s an exit strategy.

If the day doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. But if you choose to comment on it, then the discussion is fair game.

Fred J said:

Am not called not to address to your question but rather testify in the spirit by Biblical account and is sound.

Agree or disagree, and rather point out which part you disagree, no need a lengthy Q&A, thank you

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You’re asking me to “agree or disagree,” but that skips the actual problem.
I can’t agree or disagree with your timeline because you still haven’t identified which reckoning method you’re using.
Without that, your interpretation can’t be tested against Scripture.

You’ve avoided the two clarifying questions that determine whether any timeline is valid:

1. Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define clearly?
2. Which weekday do you believe the crucifixion occurred?

Until those are answered, your statements are not “testimony,” they’re assertions without a method.
And because your timeline mixes incompatible rules—rejecting part‑day counting, requiring exact 12‑hour segments, redefining when burial “counts,” and shifting days to avoid contradictions—it does not match any scriptural reckoning system used by Jesus or His audience.

This is why I asked you to identify your method first:
A timeline without a consistent reckoning method cannot be evaluated biblically.

So before anything else, please answer the original question plainly:

Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define consistently?

Fred J said:

Sunday the frist day of the week at dawn the tomb was already empty, as Sunday begin after Saturday sunset.

When did Jesus resurrect according to your version?

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You’re asking when Jesus resurrected “according to my version,” but that question only makes sense after we establish the reckoning method. You still haven’t identified yours, and that’s the core issue.

But since you asked directly, here is the scriptural answer:

Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).

That means:

• Resurrection = early Sunday, before dawn
• Discovery = Sunday dawn, when the women arrived
• Sunday = the third day, exactly as the disciples said in Luke 24:21

This is the timeline under Jewish inclusive reckoning, the method used by Jesus and His audience.

Your claim that Jesus rose Saturday night contradicts:

• all four Gospels
• the women’s arrival before the resurrection
• the disciples saying Sunday was “the third day”
• the weekly Sabbath ending at Saturday sunset, not beginning

So again, before we go further:

Which reckoning method are you using—Jewish inclusive, literal 72‑hour, or a different one you can define clearly?

Without that, your timeline can’t be evaluated.

Fred J said:

The disciples said, 'to day is the third day since these things were done'.

To them then, 'to day'(not like us, 'today') and 'third day', meant as 'daytime' since have passed.

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It's only "to day" (two words) in the KJV, because that is the way English worked at that time. The online etymological dictionary entry for "today" includes these words: "Generally it was written as two words until 16c., after which it usually was written to-day until early 20c."

Fred J said:

The disciples said, 'to day is the third day since these things were done'.

To them then, 'to day'(not like us, 'today') and 'third day', meant as 'daytime' since have passed.

'Saturday night'??

Or didn't i write, 'Saturday after sunset', meaning it's already Sunday in ancient Israel.

There's no contradiction, it's time for Him to rise after sunset already Sunday which begins at nightime, and not wait just before dawn.

If your version is Friday when it was still daytime and just before sunset He was buried in the heart of the earth prophetically.

Therefore He has not fulfill 1 full daytime of 12 hours, when Himself claimed there's '12 hours in a day'. (3 days and 3 nights)

But if you want to shorten it by claiming 'a day' already passed since He's buried, apparently contradicts the 12 hours in a day cycle.

Let's go with perhaps other church version, Friday evening and a day is done since He's buried, after sunset Saturday night and day till sunset, then is Sunday night He's already resurrect before dawn and day.

2 days and 2 nights??

Is your version buried on Thursday?

Prophecy must come to pass exactly of 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night in ancient Israel resultig to 3 days and 3 nights.

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Reason for your own self, according to the scriptures when is preparation day?

1. Matthew 27:62
   Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
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2. Mark 15:42
   And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the daybefore the sabbath,
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3. Luke 23:54
   And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
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4. John 19:31
   The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
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5. John 19:42
   There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
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Matthew 27
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.

Mark 15

42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.

45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.

He dies on Preparation Day, He rises on Sunday
Friday-Saturday-Sunday is the 3 days and nights spoken in scripture.
Ignore hours and minutes

Fred J said:

The disciples said, 'to day is the third day since these things were done'.

To them then, 'to day'(not like us, 'today') and 'third day', meant as 'daytime' since have passed.

'Saturday night'??

Or didn't i write, 'Saturday after sunset', meaning it's already Sunday in ancient Israel.

There's no contradiction, it's time for Him to rise after sunset already Sunday which begins at nightime, and not wait just before dawn.

If your version is Friday when it was still daytime and just before sunset He was buried in the heart of the earth prophetically.

Therefore He has not fulfill 1 full daytime of 12 hours, when Himself claimed there's '12 hours in a day'. (3 days and 3 nights)

But if you want to shorten it by claiming 'a day' already passed since He's buried, apparently contradicts the 12 hours in a day cycle.

Let's go with perhaps other church version, Friday evening and a day is done since He's buried, after sunset Saturday night and day till sunset, then is Sunday night He's already resurrect before dawn and day.

2 days and 2 nights??

Is your version buried on Thursday?

Prophecy must come to pass exactly of 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night in ancient Israel resultig to 3 days and 3 nights.

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You’re redefining terms that Scripture itself uses consistently.

1. “Today is the third day since…” (Luke 24:21)​

You’re claiming “today” and “third day” refer only to daylight hours, but the text doesn’t say that, and no Jewish source uses “third day” to mean “third daylight period.”

In Scripture:

• “Third day” always means the third calendar day, not the third 12‑hour daylight block.
• Jews counted days inclusively, which is why Sunday is “the third day since these things happened.”

If you want to redefine “third day” to mean “third daylight period,” you need to show any Jewish source that uses that system. So far, you haven’t.

2. You said Jesus rose “Saturday after sunset,” which you say is already Sunday.​

That’s exactly the contradiction.

If Jesus rose after sunset, then:

• the women did not arrive “before the resurrection” (contradicts all four Gospels)
• the resurrection did not occur “early on the first day of the week” (Mark 16:2)
• the resurrection did not occur “while it was still dark” (John 20:1)

You’re trying to place the resurrection hours earlier than the Gospels place it.

The Gospels say:

• Resurrection = early Sunday, before dawn
• Discovery = dawn Sunday

Your version says:

• Resurrection = Saturday night, hours before dawn Sunday

That is a direct contradiction.

3. Your “12 hours in a day” argument is not a reckoning method.​

You’re treating John 11:9 (“Aren’t there twelve hours of daylight?”) as if Jesus were giving a chronological formula for prophetic fulfillment.

He wasn’t.

He was explaining why people stumble in spiritual darkness, not defining a new time‑counting system.

If you want to use a literal 12‑hour day + 12‑hour night = 24‑hour block as your reckoning method, then say so plainly.

But if you do, you must accept the consequences:

• You cannot count partial days as full days.
• You must produce exact 72 hours.
• You must show where the Bible uses that system for prophetic timekeeping.

You haven’t done that.

4. You still haven’t stated your reckoning method.​

You’ve now used:

• inclusive counting when it helps your argument
• exclusive counting when inclusive counting hurts your argument
• 12‑hour daylight periods when that helps
• 24‑hour blocks when that helps
• “Saturday night = Sunday” when convenient
• “daytime only counts” when convenient

That’s not a method.
That’s switching systems mid‑argument.

Until you identify one consistent reckoning method, your timeline cannot be evaluated.

So again:

Which method are you using—Jewish inclusive reckoning, literal 72‑hour reckoning, or a different one you can define clearly?

Pick one, apply it consistently, and then we can test your timeline against Scripture.