Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?

Jack said:

No, I'm not glad that you and STV attack the Christian Bible.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

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I've never heard one word of compassion from you Jack0. You quote others assuming you have the characteristics they speak of ......all the while repeating your favourite mantra of hell fire.
Jack0, you're just a man of words and your fixation is on hell fire. You repeat it at every opportunity.....beats me why; you must just lovve burnt meat.

Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?

In Simple Language;

*) Salvation is A Gift ( bought, paid for, Offered, by CHRIST JESUS );
By Gods Authority and Established Order and Way, For any man TO:
Freely TAKE or REJECT.

*) Order:
While Bodily alive, Hearing, Heartful Belief, Faith, confessed Belief / or not.

*) Way:
Jesus; True Word of God
Christ; Power of God
Christ; Seed of God

*) Belief:
Required while Bodily Alive
Gift Given, AFTER, a bodily death of Believer.

*) Bodily Death of Believer:
Mortal Death: God Shall Save.
God Saved: Risen First mass Resurrection
(After Millennial Reign)

*) Bodily Death of Believer;
Crucified with Jesus: Jesus Shall Save.
Jesus Saved: man lives in Jesus Risen Body.
Man; Prepared to Serve Jesus.
Jesus Saved: Risen Rapture
(Before Jesus return To Earth)
Jesus Saved: Returns to Earth with Jesus.
Jesus Saved: Occupies Jesus’ Kingdom.
Jesus Saved: Serves Jesus during His Reign.

*) After Millennial Reign;
Judgement for All men / Angels too.

*) Consequences;
All men (not saved); (ie. Against God)…
And
All Angels Against God…
Separated permanently From The Lord God Almighty and His Faithful.

*) New Heavens / New Earth, Become ONE Adjoined Kingdom of God and His Faithful, ManKIND and Faithful Angels FOREVER.

Every human (Earthly, Terrestrial) man from Adam forward each have an Order, Way, Option, FREEWILL Choice, to be Included IN Gods Offering…OF:
Blessings, Gifts, Purchased Gifts, Rewards, Treasures, Forever Life WITH God…
To have, hold, keep…
Or Reject; Forfeit, NOT Receive, Be Forever Without God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Learning of Christ through His good news/message about receiving the Kingdom of God if freely OFFERED to every man without exception! The gift of salvation (eternal life) comes by grace through faith of Christ alone is GIVEN to whosoever hears the gospel and believes in Christ.

John 1:12-13 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

quietthinker said:

I've never heard one word of compassion from you Jack0.

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How about God's Word?

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

quietthinker said:

You quote others assuming you have the characteristics they speak of ......all the while repeating your favourite mantra of hell fire.

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Now you're denying Jesus' clear doctrine of Hell Fire?

quietthinker said:

Jack0, you're just a man of words and your fixation is on hell fire.

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Blame Jesus. He is the author of Hell Fire.

quietthinker said:

You repeat it at every opportunity.....beats me why; you must just lovve burnt meat.

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THE FIRE: the most important NT doctrine!

quietthinker said:

and aren't you glad?.....all your efforts to convert Babylonians who just couldn't take you seriously will finally be vindicated!

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You and STV aren't in Hell yet. There may be hope for you.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

St. SteVen said:

Attack?
Asking reasonable question is an attack?

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Quoting STV: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible"!

St. SteVen said:

Offered to every man without exception? Not true.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus.
The unreached people groups.

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Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The fact that God is the Savior was known from the very beginning when He informs us that mankind from the fall is destined to die. But with death, God would also provide a way of life through the SEED of the woman. The seed of the serpent would cause enmity between the children of God and the children of evil, but God would prevail by sending His Son to make an end of sin and death to whosoever believes on Him.

Genesis 3:15-19 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

First mankind possessed the gospel according to promise through the promised SEED through the line of Abraham, and since Christ came to earth a man, whosoever hears the gospel of the Kingdom of God and believes on Him has eternal life through Him and shall never perish.

Romans 1:16-21 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 10:12-21 (KJV) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

All of mankind is without excuse, because God has revealed Himself through all of creation. Mankind know that God exists and that judgment against mankind shall come. But man in darkness and unbelief suppress this knowledge and will be eternally lost if they die in unbelief.

St. SteVen said:

Are you claiming that is there is salvation in the recognition of a creator God?

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What do you mean "recognition of a creator God"?

John 8:18 (KJV) I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 10:30 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Hebrews 4:2-3 (KJV) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:8 (KJV) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 (KJV) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Hebrews 11:1-10 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Salvation is not by recognizing "a" creator God! Salvation comes by grace through FAITH! None of the Old Covenant faithful saints recognized a creator God! They had knowledge of God THE Creator and believed in Him through His Spirit. The Old Covenant faithful saints by grace received faith through the power of God's Word and Spirit in the same way we, who live after the cross also by grace receive faith through the power of the gospel proclaimed (His Word) and His Spirit in us.

1 John 4:13-14 (KJV) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

The Spirit of God has always dwelt with all who believe on Him. Because it is through His Spirit that we are quickened (made spiritually alive) by grace. The flesh profits nothing.

John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

St. SteVen said:

Agree.

That nullifies your Romans chapter one apologetic. (without excuse)

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MY Romans one apologetic?