The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

Earburner · May 7, 2026

Final Edit: error corrected of wrong chapter posted for Zechariah. Not ch. 12 but rather ch. 14. I apologize for the confusion- Earburner

To all Amillennial believers, who are not settled with visible church-ianty's indoctrinated conclusions about KJV Zechariah ch. 14.

Because of our prophetically correct belief and understanding, that the 70th week of Daniel 9:26-27 was fulfilled 100% by Jesus through his mortal flesh, 3.5 years before Pentecost, and then 3.5 years after Pentecost, through his Holy Spirit, I perceive that we might share the thoughts of the Holy Spirit within us, to better understand the conundrum** of Zechariah ch. 14.

I will lead off by saying that much of Zechariah is already truthfully understood by us, in conjunction with Dan. 9:24-27 and the words of the NT scriptures.
Having said that,
I perceive we are also blessed to understand that all of Zech. Ch. 14, which began to be fulfilled in the 70th week of the Lord's first appearance in the flesh, and therefore the truth of Zech. Ch. 14 is still ongoing, until He returns from Heaven in flaming fire 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Though I do have a good understanding about the words of Zechariah, herein lies the Lord's conundrum:
which Jerusalem is it that shall be "safely inhabited"? The Heavenly or the earthly Jerusalem? Gal. 4:21-31.
Zech. 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

As an Amillennial believer, what are your thoughts about Zech. Ch. 14:11

**Note:
conundrum/kə-nŭn′drəm/noun

A riddle in which a fanciful question is answered by a pun.
A paradoxical, insoluble, or difficult problem; a dilemma.
A kind of riddle based upon some fanciful or fantastic resemblance between things quite unlike; a puzzling question, of which the answer is or involves a pun.
A question to which only a conjectural answer can be made.
A difficult question or riddle, especially one using a play on words in the answer.
A difficult choice or decision that must be made.
A difficult problem.

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Davy · May 7, 2026

There is NO CONUNDRUM with Zechariah 14 except by those who refuse to believe that the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (70th) has not been fulfilled yet today.

The events in Zechariah 14 parallel the events for the end all throughout the New Testament Books. In particular, the two angels that appeared to Christ's Apostles at the Mount of Olives revealed Lord Jesus will return in like manner as He was seen ascending to Heaven from that Mount of Olives. The Zechariah 14 Scripture completes that picture, because it says Jesus' feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives at His future return.

But what has men's doctrines done with how Jesus returns? A good portion of deceived brethren think they are going to be raptured to heaven off the earth to live in the clouds above the earth, when that ain't gonna' happen. It is not written. That idea happened because of Biblically illiterate men trying to preach when God didn't call those. They are almost totally ignorant of how Apostle Philip was "caught up" and relocated to another place ON EARTH after he had witnessed to the Ethiopian in the chariot.

When Lord Jesus returns on the "last trump", those of us still alive on earth will be suddenly 'changed', casting off our flesh body with our "spiritual body" revealed, and then "caught up" to Jesus and the asleep saints He brings with Him on His way to.................... the Mount of Olives on earth. That Zechariah 14 Chapter simply completes that picture. Apostle Paul did not show exactly where... Christ's Church will be brought to after being "caught up", but Zechariah 14 does show it.

So when one hears of Christ Jesus gathering His faithful Church to any other place besides the Mount of Olives on earth, then you know they are pushing doctrines of men, and not staying with the actual Bible Scripture.

Spiritual Israelite · May 7, 2026

Earburner said:
Edit: error corrected of wrong chapter posted for Zechariah. Not ch. 14 but rather ch. 12.

To all Amillennial believers, who are not settled with visible church-ianty's indoctrinated conclusions about KJV Zechariah ch. 12:1-14.

Because of our prophetically correct belief and understanding, that the 70th week of Daniel 9:26-27 was fulfilled 100% by Jesus through his mortal flesh, 3.5 years before Pentecost, and then 3.5 years after Pentecost, through his Holy Spirit, I perceive that we might share the thoughts of the Holy Spirit within us, to better understand the conundrum** of Zechariah ch. 12.

I will lead off by saying that much of Zechariah is already truthfully understood by us, in conjunction with Dan. 9:24-27 and the words of the NT scriptures.
Having said that,
I perceive we are also blessed to understand that all of Zech. Ch. 12 began to be fulfilled in the 70th week of the Lord's first appearance in the flesh, and therefore the truth of Zech. Ch. 12 is still ongoing, until He returns from Heaven in flaming fire 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Though I do have a good understanding about the words of Zechariah, herein lies the Lord's conundrum:
which Jerusalem is it that shall be "safely inhabited"? The Heavenly or the earthly Jerusalem? Gal. 4:21-31.
Zech. 12:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

That's Zechariah 14:11, not Zechariah 12:11.

Earburner said:
As an Amillennial believer, what are your thoughts about Zech. Ch. 12

Do you mean Zechariah 14?

Earburner · May 7, 2026

Davy said:
There is NO CONUNDRUM with Zechariah 14 except by those who refuse to believe that the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (70th) has not been fulfilled yet today.

The events in Zechariah 14 parallel the events for the end all throughout the New Testament Books. In particular, the two angels that appeared to Christ's Apostles at the Mount of Olives revealed Lord Jesus will return in like manner as He was seen ascending to Heaven from that Mount of Olives. The Zechariah 14 Scripture completes that picture, because it says Jesus' feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives at His future return.

But what has men's doctrines done with how Jesus returns? A good portion of deceived brethren think they are going to be raptured to heaven off the earth to live in the clouds above the earth, when that ain't gonna' happen. It is not written. That idea happened because of Biblically illiterate men trying to preach when God didn't call those. They are almost totally ignorant of how Apostle Philip was "caught up" and relocated to another place ON EARTH after he had witnessed to the Ethiopian in the chariot.

When Lord Jesus returns on the "last trump", those of us still alive on earth will be suddenly 'changed', casting off our flesh body with our "spiritual body" revealed, and then "caught up" to Jesus and the asleep saints He brings with Him on His way to.................... the Mount of Olives on earth. That Zechariah 14 Chapter simply completes that picture. Apostle Paul did not show exactly where... Christ's Church will be brought to after being "caught up", but Zechariah 14 does show it.

So when one hears of Christ Jesus gathering His faithful Church to any other place besides the Mount of Olives on earth, then you know they are pushing doctrines of men, and not staying with the actual Bible Scripture.

@Davy
Sorry about my error in posting. I was meaning Zech. ch. 14:11 and NOT Zech. ch. 12.
I tried to make the correction soon after I posted my opening statement.

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

My question is to which Jerusalem is the prophecy pointing to.

Earburner · May 7, 2026

Spiritual Israelite said:
That's Zechariah 14:11, not Zechariah 12:11.

Do you mean Zechariah 14?

Yes. I mean
Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I am looking to find out which Jerusalem is it, that shall be safely inhabited.

Marty fox · May 7, 2026

Earburner said:
Yes. I mean
Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I am looking to find out which Jerusalem is it, that shall be safely inhabited.

The heavenly Jerusalem

Earburner · May 7, 2026

Thank you all for your patience over my error in referencing the correct chapters in Zechariah. My opening post in my thread, now stands correct, being my "Final edit".

Spiritual Israelite · May 7, 2026

Earburner said:
Yes. I mean
Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I am looking to find out which Jerusalem is it, that shall be safely inhabited.

It can't be talking about earthly Jerusalem because earthly Jerusalem will be burned up along with the rest of the earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, it would have to be talking about the heavenly Jerusalem instead. Only the heavenly Jerusalem will never be destroyed.

Davy · May 7, 2026

Earburner said:
@Davy
Sorry about my error in posting. I was meaning Zech. ch. 14:11 and NOT Zech. ch. 12.
I tried to make the correction soon after I posted my opening statement.

Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

My question is to which Jerusalem is the prophecy pointing to.

Yet your OP has that you were pointing to the whole KJV Zechariah 14 Chapter.

Verses like Zechariah 14:10 ought to easily reveal to you that it is speaking of Jerusalem on earth. The new Jerusalem is what it will be, as that is the Bride of Christ per Revelation 21. What it means is, the Heavenly, God's Abode, is coming 'here', on earth. It is coming back to earth where it once was...

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

That River is the River of the Waters of Life spoken of in Revelation 22. It was originally on this earth with The Father's Presence here on earth also.

Below, that River fed the following 4 rivers on earth, of which the rivers Euphrates and Hiddekel (Tigris) are still on earth today.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

Because there's so much propaganda against what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the "spiritual body" being the body type of the world to come, many are prevented from considering how God's Abode was once upon this earth, and that it is coming back to this earth. In this sense, Heaven is going to be revealed to all right here, on earth, the earthly and the heavenly joined together.

Earburner · May 8, 2026

Spiritual Israelite said:
It can't be talking about earthly Jerusalem because earthly Jerusalem will be burned up along with the rest of the earth when Jesus comes as a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, it would have to be talking about the heavenly Jerusalem instead. Only the heavenly Jerusalem will never be destroyed.

Yes, I agree 100%.

Davy said:
Yet your OP has that you were pointing to the whole KJV Zechariah 14 Chapter.

Verses like Zechariah 14:10 ought to easily reveal to you that it is speaking of Jerusalem on earth. The new Jerusalem is what it will be, as that is the Bride of Christ per Revelation 21. What it means is, the Heavenly, God's Abode, is coming 'here', on earth. It is coming back to earth where it once was...

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

That River is the River of the Waters of Life spoken of in Revelation 22. It was originally on this earth with The Father's Presence here on earth also.

Below, that River fed the following 4 rivers on earth, of which the rivers Euphrates and Hiddekel (Tigris) are still on earth today.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

Because there's so much propaganda against what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the "spiritual body" being the body type of the world to come, many are prevented from considering how God's Abode was once upon this earth, and that it is coming back to this earth. In this sense, Heaven is going to be revealed to all right here, on earth, the earthly and the heavenly joined together.

So then, what you are saying is the River that came out of Eden, was the original fountain (the origin) of the first four rivers: Prison, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrates.

Therefore, you are understanding that the fountain of/for the four rivers is that River out of Eden, that is called the River of the Waters of Life in Rev. 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.).

I was wondering why you skipped over what Jesus said about Himself being the water of Life in John 4
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be IN HIM a well [fountain/spring] of water springing up into everlasting life.

Do you perceive that Jesus is not talking about Himself as being a literal fountain of literal H2O water, but rather that He is the fountain of the Gift of the Holy Spirit?
Speaking of fountains, surely you can discern that the prophecy of Zech. 13:1 took place at the time of Jesus' First appearance, and is not waiting to be fulfilled sometime in a distant future.
Zechariah 13:1
In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

SInce Jesus clearly states that he did not come to us to give us literal H2O water, but rather "everlasting life", we need to abide with what Paul teaches about the words of God and spiritual matters:
1 Cor. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

All of which brings me back to the conundrum of Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
According to Gal. 4:26 and it's context, isn't Jerusalem being safely inhabited now?
I believe that it is, being that Jerusalem which is above, and not that Jerusalem which is below.

Did you know that NONE of the OT prophets knew anything of how many times Jesus was going to appear unto us? The book of Zechariah is a prime example of the many times Jesus was prophesied to come to us. Only by the Holy Spirit can we discern them.

In Zechariah, I can discern three prophetic times of when Jesus comes to us.
How about you?
How many manifestations do you see of Jesus coming to us?

Davy · May 8, 2026

Earburner said:
Yes, I agree 100%.

So then, what you are saying is the River that came out of Eden, was the original fountain (the origin) of the first four rivers: Prison, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrates.

I'd say the origin of all... rivers originally, which I speculate, because of how God's River is to manifest on earth again per Ezekiel 47 in His Kingdom.

Earburner said:
Therefore, you are understanding that the fountain of/for the four rivers is that River out of Eden, that is called the River of the Waters of Life in Rev. 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.).

We have been brought up in the Church to treat that River of the Waters of Life as a type of metaphor or symbol only for Christ and His Salvation. The Book of Ezekiel reveals it is a 'real'... River, and even gives it location in God's future Kingdom on earth. So I'm not making this up. It's not my fault most Churches don't cover this matter from the Book of Ezekiel and elsewhere in God's Word.

Ezek 47:6-12
6 And he said unto me, "Son of man, hast thou seen this?" Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, "These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
KJV

Earburner said:
I was wondering why you skipped over what Jesus said about Himself being the water of Life in John 4
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be IN HIM a well [fountain/spring] of water springing up into everlasting life.

Lord Jesus was still correct, as His River will issue out from His future "sanctuary" and Throne, like the Scripture says. I really don't know why anyone would have a hard time believing that River is a real river after having read God's Word about it.

I sense your questions are only an attempt to try and 'trap' me on this matter. Well, that's not going to happen. It's easy to know that Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22 Scripture about God's River has not happened yet. The only thing you apparently know about it is as a 'symbol' only for Christ's Salvation, so naturally you think that's probably already been fulfilled at the cross. That idea is in error simply because of Ezekiel 47 and Genesis 2. What Lord Jesus fulfilled involving the River is His Promise... of Salvation for His future new heavens and a new earth when that River will flow on earth again, healing all waters it comes into contact with.

TribulationSigns · May 9, 2026

Earburner said:
Yes. I mean
Zechariah 14:11
And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

I am looking to find out which Jerusalem is it, that shall be safely inhabited.

Zechariah 14:11 is a prophetic description of spiritual Jerusalem—the Church established under the New Covenant—representing the Kingdom of God on Earth. Jerusalem often symbolizes the Church, the true Israel in Christ, and the City of God, safely inhabited by believers chosen by God throughout the Church age and ultimately into eternity. This came after the fall of the Old Covenant congregation, when Christ rebuilt it in three days through His resurrection. From this city flows the Holy Spirit, the Living Water. Selah.

Davy · May 9, 2026

TribulationSigns said:
Zechariah 14:11 is a prophetic description of spiritual Jerusalem—the Church established under the New Covenant—representing the Kingdom of God on Earth. Jerusalem often symbolizes the Church, the true Israel in Christ, and the City of God, safely inhabited by believers chosen by God throughout the Church age and ultimately into eternity. This came after the fall of the Old Covenant congregation, when Christ rebuilt it in three days through His resurrection. From this city flows the Holy Spirit, the Living Water. Selah.

Pretty much just a doctrine of men, and not really what the Zechariah 14 Chapter is about.

Just the first few verses of Zechariah 14 establishes what the REAL subject is about, i.e., Christ's future return to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, His feet literally touching down there...

Zech 14:1-4
14 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
KJV

Davy · May 9, 2026

The living waters, i.e., the River of the Waters of Life of Rev.22, are mentioned in Zechariah 14, and it is shown to be a LITERAL RIVER, and not just a metaphor for Christ's Salvation.

Zech 14:6-9
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Recall that Lord Jesus said no man knows the day or hour of His future coming, but only The Father knows.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

Earburner · May 9, 2026

Davy said:
The living waters, i.e., the River of the Waters of Life of Rev.22, are mentioned in Zechariah 14, and it is shown to be a LITERAL RIVER, and not just a metaphor for Christ's Salvation.

Zech 14:6-9
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Recall that Lord Jesus said no man knows the day or hour of His future coming, but only The Father knows.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

John 6:63
It is the spirit [the Mind of Christ] that quickeneth [makes alive]; the flesh [human mind] profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

ONLY by the Holy Spirit within you, shall you be able to understand the Amillennial view, in order to escape the prison of church-ianity's teachings by the wisdom of men.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Here are some clues about Zechariah ch. 14.
In verses 6-7, please notice that the "light" being spoken of is not a physical light of the world, but rather the spiritual light of the world, who is Je_u_.

In verse 8, again as I have already said, it is Jesus who is Himself being the Living Waters. Both His words and His Holy Spirit (His Living Water) have gone out from Jerusalem unto the utter most parts of the earth.

Edit: not only that, but His Living Words, by His Holy Spirit shall go forth: "half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.", are a direct reference to the people of BOTH SIDES of His cross, being those of faith who were "under the altar" (Rev. 6:9-11) of the OLD Covenant, and now those of us who are under the NEW covenant, all of which who have died in faith believing, are now alive and asleep in Jesus, who is Himself "The Book of Life".
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(If you should doubt that, you might want to discuss it with the repentant thief on the cross.)

In verse 9, Jesus is indeed the king over all the earth. Since the day of His death and resurrection ("was glorified"-John 12:16), Satan has been "bound", having no more access into heaven, or into anyone who is born again of heaven.
And, as Jesus did declare, He and His Father are One.
Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will FIRST BIND the strong man; and THEN he will spoil** his house.
**Note "to the Victor go the spoils of war".
In the case of Jesus vs. Satan, "the enemy" has been bound, and unto Jesus, we who of faith in Jesus, and are born again, are the spoils of that war.

Earburner · May 10, 2026

From my post #10:
Did you know that NONE of the OT prophets knew anything of when or how many times Jesus was going to appear unto us? The book of Zechariah is a prime example of the many times Jesus was prophesied to come to us. Only by the Holy Spirit within us can we discern them.

In Zechariah, I can discern three prophetic times of when Jesus comes to us.
How about you?
By the book of Zechariah, how many manifestations do you discern of Jesus coming to us?

Don't believe everything that is hatched by "the wisdom of men" of church- ianity. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

Trekson · May 10, 2026

Earburner said:
From my post #10:
Did you know that NONE of the OT prophets knew anything of when or how many times Jesus was going to appear unto us? The book of Zechariah is a prime example of the many times Jesus was prophesied to come to us. Only by the Holy Spirit within us can we discern them.

In Zechariah, I can discern three prophetic times of when Jesus comes to us.
How about you?
By the book of Zechariah, how many manifestations do you discern of Jesus coming to us?

Don't believe everything that is hatched by "the wisdom of men" of church- ianity. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

I see two and a half, His first advent, when He fought the battle of Armageddon and when He gathers the saints and leads them to safety just prior to the fulfillment of Rev. 20:8-9, although he was already here. I'm interested in hearing your third.

Davy · May 10, 2026

Earburner said:
ONLY by the Holy Spirit within you, shall you be able to understand the Amillennial view, in order to escape the prison of church-ianity's teachings by the wisdom of men.

The Amillennialist doctrine is a design of 'men', and not from God. A believer on Amill has to dump many Bible Scriptures in order to believe it. You will discover this eventually, whether you like it or not.

Earburner · May 10, 2026

Trekson said:
I see two and a half, His first advent, when He fought the battle of Armageddon and when He gathers the saints and leads them to safety just prior to the fulfillment of Rev. 20:8-9, although he was already here. I'm interested in hearing your third.

Jesus came to us in His mortal flesh.
Jesus is coming to us in His Holy Spirit.
Jesus shall come again in His Immortal Being.

Earburner · May 10, 2026

Davy said:
The Amillennialist doctrine is a design of 'men', and not from God. A believer on Amill has to dump many Bible Scriptures in order to believe it. You will discover this eventually, whether you like it or not.

With the understanding that the 70th week of Dan. 9:24-27 was fulfilled by Jesus 100%, even after He Ascended into heaven, moves my focus on to Zech. Ch. 14.
In that prophetic book, according to Amillennial understanding, the book of Zechariah describes all three of the manifestations of Jesus, but has no chronological sense of order to speak of, as to when they were to come to pass..

However, for all of us today, who are born again and are listening to His Holy Spirit, the teaching of the Holy Spirit is going to vehemently oppose the doctrines of church- ianity everytime.

John 5:39
Search the [OT] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
.
1 Cor. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

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