Babies in the womb are not just lumps of flesh, their experience of reality is "hyper-real" - realer than the adults that carry them!

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Hi there!

Let's face it, adults are on their way out! If it wasn't for children, we would get nothing done. But I digress, what I want to talk about here is the value of the experience of a baby. There is some confusion about the significance of a baby and like self-righteous people, self-defining people tend to characterise babies as if they have to "earn" their significance by getting older. This couldn't be further from the truth.

A baby's experience of life is actually "hyper-real" - that is, it is 'realer' than the experience of reality we have as adults. Studies have shown that memories can be passed down from one generation to the next, that couldn't be the case if one generation's experience didn't "change". Well so if a generation's experience changes, there must be a scale over which those experiences can be plotted - some experiences will be greater than others.

The Bible talks about God "knowing us while we were still in our Mother's womb" (exact verse unknown); God could not do that, if there was very little to know. The reality is that there is a lot to know.

The letters of the Bible talk about "greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" this too is an example of greatness within the baby - greater is the experience in the baby, than the experience that is in the child or adult.

Jesus said "there are many first that will be last and last that will be first" I think babies and their experience is a great example of that. We should not be so complacent as to think "a baby's experience can't matter"!

Every child is different! One child substituted for another, is not a 1:1 exchange! Their experiences and imagination will always vary.

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.

PS. What is a hyper-real experience of reality? It is like first waking up inside the Matrix; everything has power and significance - colors are pure, temperatures vary all over the place. There is a change of character as these experiences die off, but at the time, there is nothing like it. Later when we think of the character we developed as a child, we can be tempted to forget how real it was, that is, at least, until we are reminded "no eye has seen nor has it entered in to the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love Him"
 

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When my son was born he immediately said "Mama"! 5 minutes later he said it again perfectly clear! I witnessed it!

Thank you Jesus!
 
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Babies\small children give us a glimpse into what it must have been like prior to the fall. Pure and innocent, free from all the sin and trauma we experience later in life.
 

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Babies\small children give us a glimpse into what it must have been like prior to the fall. Pure and innocent, free from all the sin and trauma we experience later in life.

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Hi -
Yes, babies are a gift from God.
If a baby in the womb is just a lump of flesh, so is the person who says that. I've heard that used by pro abortionists.


Here you go- John was speaking about God being in the believer who is greater than he who is in the world.

4You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.- 1 John 4:4-6
 

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When my son was born he immediately said "Mama"! 5 minutes later he said it again perfectly clear! I witnessed it!

Thank you Jesus!
I never would have guessed you are a Jackie!!
 

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Hi there!

Let's face it, adults are on their way out! If it wasn't for children, we would get nothing done. But I digress, what I want to talk about here is the value of the experience of a baby. There is some confusion about the significance of a baby and like self-righteous people, self-defining people tend to characterise babies as if they have to "earn" their significance by getting older. This couldn't be further from the truth.

A baby's experience of life is actually "hyper-real" - that is, it is 'realer' than the experience of reality we have as adults. Studies have shown that memories can be passed down from one generation to the next, that couldn't be the case if one generation's experience didn't "change". Well so if a generation's experience changes, there must be a scale over which those experiences can be plotted - some experiences will be greater than others.
This is kind of science. Epigenetics is the idea that the stresses and conditions a generation goes through can affect the expression of the furture generations genes biologically.

But I think we also inherent ways of some aspects of personhood as well. As though our psyche is also influenced by what our parents and grandparents went through. Which makes no sense as this is more about the person than organic molecules.

This seems to be the common theme. That those bisbelieving life begins at conception or even before. They want to deminish life and all connections to it. Dumb it down and make it nothing but the physical flesh that has no connection to human life. And certain rejects any idea of there being a (self or person) beyond the physical.
The Bible talks about God "knowing us while we were still in our Mother's womb" (exact verse unknown); God could not do that, if there was very little to know. The reality is that there is a lot to know.
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Psalm 139:13-16
For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.
The letters of the Bible talk about "greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" this too is an example of greatness within the baby - greater is the experience in the baby, than the experience that is in the child or adult.

Jesus said "there are many first that will be last and last that will be first" I think babies and their experience is a great example of that. We should not be so complacent as to think "a baby's experience can't matter"!

Every child is different! One child substituted for another, is not a 1:1 exchange! Their experiences and imagination will always vary.

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.

PS. What is a hyper-real experience of reality? It is like first waking up inside the Matrix; everything has power and significance - colors are pure, temperatures vary all over the place. There is a change of character as these experiences die off, but at the time, there is nothing like it. Later when we think of the character we developed as a child, we can be tempted to forget how real it was, that is, at least, until we are reminded "no eye has seen nor has it entered in to the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love Him"
:gd
 

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Babies in the womb are not just lumps of flesh, their experience of reality is "hyper-real" - realer than the adults that carry them!

Literally, no such thing as:
A BABY IN the WOMB.

A BABY is an Infant HUMAN.

No such thing as a HUMAN in a WOMB.

What is in the Womb, is a developing LIFE, with an Expectation that that LIFE will be Born and Receive a Living Soul.

That LIFE is BLOOD, which within A couple WEEKS of Conception IS present, and necessary for Development of the Body.

Destruction of that LIFE, prior to full development, can be natural or induced, and is a natural death of a life or killing of a life.

A HUMAN is a ManKIND of PERSON, is
A Born Alive Body and receives its Soul at Birth.
A PERSON is a Living Human Body with its Soul IN its Body.

Living Souls Depart out of mortally Dead Human Bodies.

The dead (Soulless) Body is No Longer Called a Person.
They are called:
deceased.
remains.
corpse.
cadaver.
stiff.
loved one.

Expectation of a Baby is one thing.
Baby is a term for a human person or animal that is newly born.

Glory to God,
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It's really SAD to witness someone promote murdering MILLIONS of babies and call himself 'Christian'. And "CANNOT sin"! But HATES people and LIES for all of us to witness!
 

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Babies in the womb are not just lumps of flesh, their experience of reality is "hyper-real" - realer than the adults that carry them!

Literally, no such thing as:
A BABY IN the WOMB.

A BABY is an Infant HUMAN.

No such thing as a HUMAN in a WOMB.

What is in the Womb, is a developing LIFE, with an Expectation that that LIFE will be Born and Receive a Living Soul.

That LIFE is BLOOD, which within A couple WEEKS of Conception IS present, and necessary for Development of the Body.

Destruction of that LIFE, prior to full development, can be natural or induced, and is a natural death of a life or killing of a life.

A HUMAN is a ManKIND of PERSON, is
A Born Alive Body and receives its Soul at Birth.
A PERSON is a Living Human Body with its Soul IN its Body.

Living Souls Depart out of mortally Dead Human Bodies.

The dead (Soulless) Body is No Longer Called a Person.
They are called:
deceased.
remains.
corpse.
cadaver.
stiff.
loved one.

Expectation of a Baby is one thing.
Baby is a term for a human person or animal that is newly born.

Glory to God,
Taken
What is the Scriptural support for your position?
 

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Babies in the womb are not just lumps of flesh, their experience of reality is "hyper-real" - realer than the adults that carry them!

Literally, no such thing as:
A BABY IN the WOMB.

A BABY is an Infant HUMAN.

No such thing as a HUMAN in a WOMB.

What is in the Womb, is a developing LIFE, with an Expectation that that LIFE will be Born and Receive a Living Soul.

That LIFE is BLOOD, which within A couple WEEKS of Conception IS present, and necessary for Development of the Body.

Destruction of that LIFE, prior to full development, can be natural or induced, and is a natural death of a life or killing of a life.

A HUMAN is a ManKIND of PERSON, is
A Born Alive Body and receives its Soul at Birth.
A PERSON is a Living Human Body with its Soul IN its Body.

Living Souls Depart out of mortally Dead Human Bodies.

The dead (Soulless) Body is No Longer Called a Person.
They are called:
deceased.
remains.
corpse.
cadaver.
stiff.
loved one.

Expectation of a Baby is one thing.
Baby is a term for a human person or animal that is newly born.

Glory to God,
Taken
All you have is opinions. They are babies indeed! It's a good thing you "CANNOT sin"!

 

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What is the Scriptural support for your position?

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

One thing…
Created… the body Forming until Formed.
It’s Life Blood.

Gen 9:
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

And then another thing…
Made… the completed Formed Body….
Given another thing / a soul / another Life…
Gods Breath.

Glory to God,
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I'm against abortion all together, it's murder. But it find more and more abominable the later it is performed.

After 8 weeks the baby can feel pain. So by definition you are inflicting pain on a human. You physically hurting someone.

After 12 weeks the baby has to be dismembered and pulled out piece by piece. I'm not going to post any images of this because it is just too horrifying to see. Many doctors have given up doing it because their conscious won't let them be at peace with it.

Perhaps the cruellest way is doing it during birth. Stabbing a metal object onto the head of the baby just as it's about to come out.

Man... How can anyone do that to an innocent baby... The least they can do is have the baby and give it up for adoption to couple that are unable to conceive.

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I'm against abortion all together, it's murder. But it find more and more abominable the later it is performed.

After 8 weeks the baby can feel pain. So by definition you are inflicting pain on a human. You physically hurting someone.

After 12 weeks the baby has to be dismembered and pulled out piece by piece. I'm not going to post any images of this because it is just too horrifying to see. Many doctors have given up doing it because their conscious won't let them be at peace with it.

Perhaps the cruellest way is doing it during birth. Stabbing a metal object onto the head of the baby just as it's about to come out.

Man... How can anyone do that to an innocent baby... The least they can do is have the baby and give it up for adoption to couple that are unable to conceive.

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I was wondering why you think the body receives its soul at birth.

Because of the informative Conjunction …
AND

One thing… IS Created…a Body.
AND then (WHEN) AFTERWARD that thing (BODY) is “MADE” Alive/ Independently / Living.

Adam… was Created (One Independent) human.
Then… was Made (independently) Alive / living… created AND made.

Humans thereafter ARE Created in the Womb…. Develop-ing in the womb… Dependent on the Female Woman for nourishment / waste.

Once Develop/ed, born, severed from dependence on the Female, and fully formed, THEN receives Another Life…in a soul, from God…

The Body’s Life… Blood…
The Souls Life….. Gods Breath…
The formed body…
Has ( communication ) components…(so to speak)…
Eyes
Ears
Nose
Tongue
Mouth
Flesh/ touch

The Making … soul life in the body…
Activates (so to speak)…the communication components…
Eyes… see
Ears…. hear
Nose… smells
Tongue…tastes
Mouth… utters sounds
Flesh… Feels touch

(Those things do not occur For a developing fetus IN the Womb).

Glory to God,
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