When does Jesus judge? Is the second coming Judgement day?

ewq1938 said:

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Here we again have judgment of the righteous first! No wicked are being judged with the righteous.

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Lol.
Christ executes his judgment when he comes again with All the Angels to separate the righteous sheep from the unbelieving goats.



You have a really bad habit of leaving out important contextual verses in your quotes.

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].

ewq1938 said:

As you can see, the righteous are judged FIRST

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Like this...,


Matt 13
30 Let them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “First gather the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”



41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend [those things by which people are led into sin], and all who practice evil [leading others into sin], 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger]. 43 Then the righteous [those who seek the will of God] will shine forth [radiating the new life] like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears [to hear], let him hear and heed My words.



49 So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw the wicked into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].

ewq1938 said:

What you quoted is not in context and is not about the second coming but all mine were.

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ewq1938 said:

That isn't the second coming either. YOU are the one not keeping proper context. You can't just force any passage into the second coming timeframe, but you did twice in this one post.

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Well I didn't, but you have a great xmas

I believe Jesus judges everybody as soon as they die.

Mario Selensky said:

I believe Jesus judges everybody as soon as they die.

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What do you base that on? That is not what Jesus Himself described in Matthew 25:31-46. In that passage He indicated that He will judge everyone when He comes with His angels. Everyone will be gathered at the same time to be judged at that point, not "as soon as they die".

Mario Selensky said:

I believe Jesus judges everybody as soon as they die.

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I believe the Day of Judgment is coming on the Last Day. But people do get assigned their place in eternity in this life by their deeds, That DAY is just a formal, final, justice. Just like in the world, people are arrested, imprisoned-jailed-confined before they are sentenced. For the unbelieving that is hell. For the believing though, when they die, they go to be with Christ where He is, He comes and gets them, brings them to Himself, using His angels. Angels gather the elect, they minister to those who will inherit salvation, in this life and the next. Jesus said the same about the rich man and Lazarus.

Both died, angels gathered their spirits.
Angels also cast the wicked into the fire.

Luke 19
19 “There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who was laid at his gate, full of sores

21 and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried.

23 And in hell, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and thou art tormented.

26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there.’

27 Then he said, ‘I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house,

28 for I have five brethren, that he may testify unto them lest they also come into this place of torment.’

29 Abraham said unto him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’

30 And he said, ‘Nay, father Abraham; but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.’

31 And Abraham said unto him, ‘If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.’”

Matthew 13
34 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke He not unto them,

35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house, and His disciples came unto Him, saying, “Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the Kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

41 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all things that offend and them that do iniquity,

42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Scott Downey said:

I believe the Day of Judgment is coming on the Last Day. But people do get assigned their place in eternity in this life by their deeds, That DAY is just a formal, final, justice. Just like in the world, people are arrested, imprisoned-jailed-confined before they are sentenced. For the unbelieving that is hell.

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Right. If he meant that people's eternal destinies are determined when they die then I would agree with that. It's not as if God needs time to figure out where each person will be for eternity. When each person dies, that is something He already knows and has determined. But, the eternal sentencing of unbelievers has not yet taken place and will take place when Jesus comes with His angels at the end of the age (Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46).

Writer said:

Indeed the second coming brings Judgement. God promises to avenge the blood of the saints He spoke to at their graves, because their blood cried out to Him from the grave. Jesus Himself, comes with a double edge sword to judge those who attacked His bride, His body, His elect. Blood will be as high as a horses sadle and as far as the eye can see. The Beast and False prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and the Dragon, Satan will be thrown down into the abyss for a thousand years. That's judgemet and the end of this age.

Suddenly, we enter the mellennial age, at the end of the mellennia, Satan is released, He will gather the nations against God, and God destroy's them, not with a battle, but straight out of heaven, first with an earthquake, and then with brimstone and fire. Suddenly, God vaporises this earth and this heaven, and a new heaven and new earth appear, and the New Jerusalem.

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Last judgment ("great white thrown") occurs after the millennium. It is noted in Revelation 20:11-15).

William Barton said:

Last judgment ("great white thrown) occurs after the millennium. It is noted in Revelation 20:11-15).

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Last judgment? Where does scripture teach there is more than one judgment? The one judgment, which will occur after the thousand years and Satan's little season, will happen when Jesus comes at the end of the age with His angels (Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50).

Lots of judgments, including the Great Flood killing all but seven people.

Did you know you are a descendant of Noah?

William Barton said:

Lots of judgments, including the Great Flood killing all but seven people.

Did you know you are a descendant of Noah?

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You mean all but 8 people (Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives). Do you need someone to teach you how to quote someone so we can know who you're talking to? I know you're talking to me here, but it might not always be clear who you're talking to if you don't quote what someone has said. All you need to do is click on the Reply option in the lower right of the post and it will then quote what the person said and you can then respond under the quote.

I'm talking about judgments in terms of people being sentenced or rewarded with their eternal destinies. There is only one future day of judgment (one judgment event) in that sense and it's referred to in passages like Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11 to Revelation 21:5. They all refer to believers being rewarded with eternal life in the kingdom of God and unbelievers being cast into everlasting fire (furnace of fire, lake of fire).

No judgment for believers, Jesus paid our penalty for us:

"Out of the anguish of (Jesus's) soul shall (God the Father) be satisfied.... (Isaiah 53:11).

Writer said:

Indeed the second coming brings Judgement. God promises to avenge the blood of the saints He spoke to at their graves, because their blood cried out to Him from the grave. Jesus Himself, comes with a double edge sword to judge those who attacked His bride, His body, His elect. Blood will be as high as a horses sadle and as far as the eye can see. The Beast and False prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and the Dragon, Satan will be thrown down into the abyss for a thousand years. That's judgemet and the end of this age.

Suddenly, we enter the mellennial age, at the end of the mellennia, Satan is released, He will gather the nations against God, and God destroy's them, not with a battle, but straight out of heaven, first with an earthquake, and then with brimstone and fire. Suddenly, God vaporises this earth and this heaven, and a new heaven and new earth appear, and the New Jerusalem.

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Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) Eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, for the righteous saved

The unsaved wicked are sent to the lake of fire suffering eternal torment