Does Grace replace the law?

LoveYeshua · May 8, 2026

Does Grace replace the commandments spoken by Jesus?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting, simple. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change, repentance from sin. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it certainly does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its purest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV) These are His own words!

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand. Both heard His words. But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell. So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience. They say nothing is required. They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear. Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way. A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed and have a changed heart. So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak or incomplete message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

Peace be with you all.

TitusTwoWife · May 8, 2026

Titus 2:11-12
King James Version
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

RedLetterJoe · May 25, 2026

No one who has truly been the beneficiary of Gods saving grace desires to live in sin, no one. And no one who desires to live a sinless life has ever come close to doing so other than Christ.

I wish I could wrap my mind around why so much time is wasted debating these issues.

William Barton · May 25, 2026

Grace = unmerited favor.

Gray_Joy · May 25, 2026

I think we are in God's grace eternally. And this means we are led to be morally upright too.
The 10 laws of God are moral laws.Guiding us in how to love and respect our relationship with God and one another.

Behold · May 25, 2026

LoveYeshua said:
Does Grace replace the commandments spoken by Jesus?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting, simple. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

When Jesus walked the Earth, prior to His Crucifixion , there was no """'church""", there was no "Salvation", there were no CHRISTIANS, there was no "doctrine for the Church, and of course there was no "body of Christ", because there was no CROSS of Christ that created the Church, the Body of Christ, and Salvation.

So reader, what you are dealing with on this Thread is the person who wrote it who has no understanding of anything related to The Cross, or The Body of Christ, or God's Salvation, and they do not care to learn, as their mission here is to keep you as theologically ignorant as themselves.

MatthewG · May 25, 2026

Jesus completed the Laws of the Torah by loving God and loving his neighbor as himself, giving up his life for all humanity in order to get rid of sacrifices, geneologies, preisthoods, etc....

They were nailed to the cross. Grace didn't replace the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, having those ordinances nailed to the cross, by loving God and loving others, Now we are helped by the Spirit of Christ.

From what I understand, this is only that remains.

1 John 3:

This is what God commands: that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love each other as he commanded.

Behold · May 25, 2026

MatthewG said:
They were nailed to the cross. Grace didn't replace the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, having those ordinances nailed to the cross, by loving God and loving others, Now we are helped by the Spirit of Christ.

Absolutely true.

"Jesus is the END OF THE LAW, for Righteoueness, to/for, everyone who believes"..

So, Jesus dealt with the Law.....fufulled it on our behalf, and then died nailing it to His Cross, on behalf of "all who believe".

Now if a person does not become a Believer, then they remain "guilty before God" still under the Law, as that is what the Law does to them. It maintains its CURSE over them......its "dominion".
Its hold them culpable.......it makes them GUILTY, and defines them as still in their sin.

Whereas Christians are never again guilty before God, ........or as Paul teaches in Romans 7....>"there is NOW... NO Condemnation, to them which are IN CHRIST"..

And who is "IN Christ"?

A.) Everyone who is born again (into) Christ............and that means........all the Christians.

MatthewG said:
From what I understand, this is only that remains.

1 John 3:

This is what God commands: that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love each other as he commanded.

Yes.

God requires that we believe in His Son who is God's Gift of Salvation, and once we do, then Jesus comes to live inside us, which proves we have eternal life and have received God's Gift of Salvation, and God's Gift of Righteousness.

The next day, we get out of bed, and we are STILL an "Heir of God" and "one with God"..."made righteous"........exactly like we became the day before, in that very instant that God gave us His "imputed righteousness" BECAUSE we gave God what He required......which is Faith in His Son = Jesus.
And now being eternally saved.......we live day by day allowing God's love to flow through us into a hurting and dying and so very lost Humanity.
And if we can also "love the brethren", then that is just about perfect Discipleship.
Accept no substitute.

Angelina · May 25, 2026

LoveYeshua said:
Does Grace replace the commandments spoken by Jesus?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting, simple. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change, repentance from sin. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it certainly does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its purest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV) These are His own words!

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand. Both heard His words. But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell. So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience. They say nothing is required. They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear. Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way. A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

@LoveYeshua,
There is much in this post that is true. Scripture absolutely teaches that grace is not permission to continue in sin. Believers are called to repentance, holiness, and obedience to Christ.

Romans 6:1–2 says: “Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.”

Titus 2:11–12 also teaches: “For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us… to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world.”

So it is correct to say that saving faith produces transformation.

However, some important distinctions must also be made carefully according to Scripture.

The post says:
“Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.”

That is true if we mean obedience to Christ through the Spirit under the New Covenant. But we must not confuse this with returning believers to the covenant of Moses as though righteousness or covenant standing comes through law-keeping.

Scripture says clearly:
“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:14)
And again:
“But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.” (Galatians 5:18)

Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17). The apostles repeatedly taught that believers, especially Gentile believers, are not justified or sanctified through the works of the Mosaic Law.

Acts 15 is important here. When the question arose whether Gentile believers must come under the law of Moses, the apostles refused to place that yoke upon them.

Peter said:
“Why tempt ye God, that ye should put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”
(Acts 15:10)

And they concluded: “We believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 15:11)

The rich young ruler passage (Matthew 19) must also be understood in context. Jesus was speaking to a Jewish man still under the Old Covenant before the cross and resurrection. Christ often used the Law to expose the heart, not to teach salvation by law-keeping. In fact, when the man claimed to have kept the commandments, Jesus revealed the idolatry in his heart through his love of riches.

The New Testament consistently teaches that salvation is by grace through faith, not by works:

“For by grace have ye been saved through faith… not of works, that no man should glory.” (Ephesians 2:8–9)

But verse 10 continues: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works.”

So good works are the fruit of salvation, not the cause of it.

The post is correct that Jesus said:
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

But we must ask: what commandments? The New Testament explains this repeatedly. Christ’s law is centered in love fulfilled through the Spirit, not in returning believers to the Sinai covenant.

Jesus summarized the law as love for God and neighbor (Matthew 22:37–40).

Paul wrote: “He that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8)

And: “Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:2)

The danger is on both sides:
One side turns grace into license for sin.
The other side subtly turns obedience into a covenant of performance.

The biblical balance is this:
We are saved entirely by grace through faith in Christ alone.
That grace produces a new heart and a transformed life through the Holy Spirit.
Obedience is evidence of salvation, not the basis of salvation.
And believers are not under the Mosaic covenant but under the New Covenant in Christ.

That is the full New Testament picture.

Behold · May 25, 2026

Angelina said:
“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.” (Romans 6:14)

To be "under Grace" means that you are not "under the Law".

And "where there is no LAW, there is no Sin, (Transgression)."" found.

So, every born again Christian is "under Grace", and that means that they are "not under the law".

This is why Paul teaches in Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19, that God does not charge SIN against a born again Christian.
He can't, as CHRISTians are "not under the Law"....they are under Grace"., and "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".

So, that takes care of our SIN issue..........2000 yrs ago.

Now, The OSAS nonsense which is taught endlessly by people who are trying to keep themselves saved by self effort, , is the theology of deceived people who dont understand that there is no more LAW that can define a Christian as anything, as born again Christians are now and forever defined by the Blood of Jesus as "made righteous" based on God imputing righteousness to them as "the Gift of Righteousness".

Now, can a Christian.. be stupid and occasionally watch a "lite porn" BBC Program that has nudity in it?.......Like most of them?
Or maybe they will watch NETFLIX and see some "sex acts"... on occasion, ( about 300 times so far this year they remembered).
And when they do this, are they doing it willfully?.., or is it by accident all those times this last 4 months ?
Well, maybe it was an accident 300 times ago, when it happened the first time they watched it.

Now, How does Paul deal with all this carnal (works of the flesh) as a TEACHING?
He says to not use God's Grace as an "occasion to the flesh"..."dont enjoy some carnality on occasion when you feel like doing it"........but if you do, you are "not under the Law", you are under Grace while you do it....while you did it....and the next time also, if im talking to you READER., and you are actually born again.

Now, that is not the same as "living in sin"....Reader., as if you decided to truly abuse God's Grace that way, then Paul teaches that you will Die, and you will.
So dont play with it.
Keep yourself clean.......know the LIMITS......find the boundary, and dont go past it.

Im not telling you to live in a cave with a bible and a candle and a bottle of water, and pray 24/7.
What im telling you is....... have some self control, and if you are fighting to have any, then God's Grace is there for you, as you can't "do Christianity" the way God has designed it......unless its totally 100% empowered BY God's Grace.
And when you try to do it by your self effort then Jesus says to you...."apart from me you can do NOTHING".
Believe it.

Angelina · May 25, 2026

@Behold, I agree with you that believers are not justified by the Law and that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone. Scripture is very clear on that.

Romans 6:14 says: “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.”

And yes, believers are made righteous through Christ, not through self-effort or works of the Law.

However, I think some important distinctions need to be made carefully so that grace is not stretched beyond what the apostles taught.

You wrote: “where there is no law, there is no sin.”

But Romans 4:15 actually says: “where there is no law, neither is there transgression.”

Paul’s point there is specifically about transgression of law, not that sin ceases to exist morally for believers. The New Testament repeatedly warns Christians against sin after conversion.

For example: “Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers… shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
(1 Corinthians 6:9–10)
And:
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye must die.” (Romans 8:13)

Paul also says “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.”
(Romans 6:1–2)

So while believers are not under the condemnation of the Mosaic covenant, the apostles never taught that grace makes deliberate ongoing sin spiritually harmless.

You also mentioned that God no longer charges sin against believers. In terms of justification and eternal forgiveness in Christ, that is gloriously true.

But Scripture also teaches that God still disciplines His children and calls them to holiness.

Hebrews 12:6 says: “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth.” And 1 John 3:6–9 speaks very strongly against continuing in a lifestyle of sin.

I agree completely that Christianity cannot be lived through self-effort apart from Christ.

Jesus said: “apart from me ye can do nothing.” (John 15:5)

But the New Testament balance is not: “Grace means sin no longer matters.”

The balance is:
Grace forgives, transforms, empowers, and leads believers away from practicing sin.

Titus 2:11–12 says:
“For the grace of God hath appeared… instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world.”

So I believe we must avoid two errors:

1. legalism that tries to earn righteousness through law-keeping, and
2. hyper-grace ideas that minimize the seriousness of ongoing deliberate sin.

The apostles taught neither extreme. :okbro

Behold · May 25, 2026

Angelina said:
But Romans 4:15 actually says: “where there is no law, neither is there transgression.”

So, you used a different version then im using..... regarding that verse.

So, the verse is teaching that Moses Law and the 10 Commandments have no more dominion over a Christian for as long as God lives.

Now, real Christians would not need to even be discussing Law and Commandments vs Grace and Salvation, unless they are trying to rescue someone who is trying to stay saved by their behavior or by keeping commandments and law. Someone like LoveYeshua, for example or Pinseeker, and 6 or 7 more on this forum that are INTO the Law and want to Keep it to try to stay saved.
So, in their case, they need some help. They need to be taught the Pauline doctrine of "Justification by Faith", until they are dripping with it....... because until they truly understand it, they they will keep posted about Keeping Jesus's Commandments to try to stay saved.

And by the way, its not God who deems a sinner as a sinner......Its Moses LAW that does this... Its Moses LAW and 10 Commandments (which are the same thing) that causes a person to become guilty of sin, before God., or "all the world is guilty before God" as Paul teaches.
Therefore , when MOSES Law (10 commandments, included) are no longer in play, .. when the person is "not under the Law of Moses, but under the GRACE of GOD".....then the Christian's DEEDS, cannont be JUDGED by Moses Law, ever again.

This is why Paul teaches in Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 that God does not charge SIN to a believer.
God can't, as there is no Moses Law in Play, and all their sins are forgiven by Jesus's Blood.

And....Because where there is no Law there is no Transgression (Sin/Iniquity) found, as its only by MOSES LAW and MOSES 10 Commandments that SIN is discovered, So, once Jesus deals with Moses Law with His Cross and NEW COVENANT, then the CHRISTian, is no longer bound by or bound to, or under the dominion of MOSES Law and 10 Commandments.

This is what it means ......>The born again are "not under the law but under Grace".

And Yes, God Disciplines His Children so that they will become more HOLY.......Heb12:6.
Yet, The Majority of this Discipline is going to come from the word of God, as its "sharper then any 2-edged Sword" and it discerns within the belivever what needs to be changed, or replaced, or corrected.
God does not need to hurl Lightning Bolts at baby Christians to teach them what not to do, as the Holy Spirit in them and the word of God will take care of that correcting, if their Pastor does not correct them first.

And about OSAS....

I hear this nonsense a lot on forums, and what i ask people who are wanting to talk about "licence to sin"... is..

Show me a book, or a commentary, or a Youtube video, or a forum member, who is teaching that ...."now that you are saved you can do what you want, so enjoy living like the devil, and have no fear of Heb 12:6 consequence".

Ive yet to be shown by someone like you, exaclty where this is being taught........as ive never seen it being taught.
Ive never seen a preacher, a teacher, a video, a book, or a forum member, teaching ...."" now that you are saved, you can live any way you like, because of God's Grace.".

Now you keep posting about OSAS, @Angelina , therefore im sure you can show the members here your PROOF that this "license to sin"... is being taught by some Christian BOOK, Christian Video, or Christian Forum member, ......or Christian commentary.
So, do share it, so that i can see it for the first time myself, and im sure the other members here would be interested to find out who is teaching "licence to sin". or "do what you like, as God's Grace has you covered, no need to worry about Ecclesiastes 8:11 or Titus 3:10 or reaping what you've sown"..
So what church or book or video or forum member is teaching that God's Grace is a free pass to Carnal Land?

Show us the proof....
Who is teaching it?
Where?

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And Readers............the first Christian who was accused of teaching "license to sin".. .as its defined in these days.......was Paul the Apostle.
Yes.......Paul was accused of teaching OSAS.
They said to him...>>>"so you are teaching that we are to sin, so that Grace will come".
See that?
That is the 2000 yrs ago "original version" of OSAS..........and they were accusing Paul after Hearing His Gospel.

Now here is a update for you....
Whenever anyone teaches God's Grace correctly and perfectly, then the deceived legalists, as they did in Paul's day will claim they are teaching "greasy grace" or "Cheap grace" or "license to sin", as that is how the Gospel sounds to a carnal mind, and thats a fact that they will prove to you on any Christian forum and in many Pulpits, worldwide.
And yet Paul was not teaching anything like that at all, but it was wrongly perceived by the carnally minded who do not understand The Cross of Christ, as "he's telling us that we can do anything, now that God's Grace is come".
So, that is how the Devil twists God's Grace, into what has become OSAS, within the thinking process of all the carnally minded.
That is what they HEAR, when "Justificaiton by faith, without works or deeds of the law" is preached.

What did Paul teach?
He taught that Justification by faith lasts as long as God Lives, and that the Redeemed Believer is sealed unto the day of redemption, and is already SEATED in Heavenly places, as "ONE WITH GOD">.... and you can't undo it, because its eternally connected to being birthed in the Spirit and being "translated from Darkness to Light".
You can't stop being born again.... because its an ETERNAL birth in the Spirit, caused by the Spirit of God which places every born agian believer into God's Eternal Kingdom......the KOG.

Reader, you can't become "more saved" then you were on the day of your Salvation, as you were saved then "while we were yet sinners"...
God's Salvation is a GIFT, and the "gifts of God are without repentance".......... in other words, He maintains it for you because Salvaiton is "OF GOD"......throught Christ's BLOOD and Death.

Philipians 1:6.

God is faithful to complete your salvation.......not you..
The only part you play in God's Salvation is the part of a SINNER needing IT., and receiving it.
After that, its done.......you're saved........its accomplished.

A Preacher that i heard recently stated that the Christian "Starts finished" and that is nailing the understanding of 1 Corin 1:30 (KJV)........as God's salvation is already and completely completed by Jesus on The Cross, before we receive it by faith.
Jesus explains this from The Cross when He told us....."IT is FINISHED/Accomplished" and then He died.

See that "IT"?.....= "IT.....is finished"""....that is our SALVATiON.....so do you have IT?....>If you do then you are no more and no less saved 50+ yrs later then you were on the day that Jesus saved you... "while we were yet sinners".

See it?

Debp · May 25, 2026

RedLetterJoe said:
No one who has truly been the beneficiary of Gods saving grace desires to live in sin, no one. And no one who desires to live a sinless life has ever come close to doing so other than Christ.

I wish I could wrap my mind around why so much time is wasted debating these issues.

Well said.

RedLetterJoe · May 25, 2026

MatthewG said:
Jesus completed the Laws of the Torah by loving God and loving his neighbor as himself, giving up his life for all humanity in order to get rid of sacrifices, geneologies, preisthoods, etc....

They were nailed to the cross. Grace didn't replace the law. Jesus fulfilled the law, having those ordinances nailed to the cross, by loving God and loving others, Now we are helped by the Spirit of Christ.

From what I understand, this is only that remains.

1 John 3:

This is what God commands: that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love each other as he commanded.

Not to detract, from an otherwise fine post.

It is my understanding that Christ did not abolish the Priesthood, but established it eternally, Himself as High Priest, and us His Body, a nation of priests.

Angelina · May 25, 2026

Behold said:
So, you used a different version then im using..... regarding that verse.

So, the verse is teaching that Moses Law and the 10 Commandments have no more dominion over a Christian for as long as God lives.

Now, real Christians would not need to even be discussing Law and Commandments vs Grace and Salvation, unless they are trying to rescue someone who is trying to stay saved by their behavior or by keeping commandments and law. Someone like LoveYeshua, for example or Pinseeker, and 6 or 7 more on this forum that are INTO the Law and want to Keep it to try to stay saved.
So, in their case, they need some help. They need to be taught the Pauline doctrine of "Justification by Faith", until they are dripping with it....... because until they truly understand it, they they will keep posted about Keeping Jesus's Commandments to try to stay saved......
See it?

@Behold, Sorry, I didn't see your reply post. I have been in bed with he flu most of the day.

I agree that salvation is by grace through faith, believers are not justified by the works of the Mosaic Law, Christ fully accomplished redemption.
and no believer keeps themselves saved through self-effort.

Those truths are foundational New Testament doctrine.

However, I believe some conclusions being drawn go beyond what Scripture actually teaches.

You repeatedly say that because believers are “not under the law,” their deeds can no longer be judged in relation to sin because “there is no law in play.”

But the New Testament never says sin ceased to exist for believers after the Mosaic covenant ended.

In fact, Paul writes to Christians repeatedly warning them against sin: “Flee fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18)
“Lie not one to another.” (Colossians 3:9)
“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body.” (Romans 6:12)

If sin no longer had covenant relevance for believers in any sense, those warnings would become meaningless.

You also said: “it’s Moses Law and 10 Commandments that causes a person to become guilty of sin.”

But Scripture teaches that sin existed before Moses. Romans 5:13 says: “For until the law sin was in the world.”

Cain sinned before Sinai. Sodom sinned before Sinai. The flood came because of sin before Sinai.

The Mosaic Law revealed and magnified sin, but it did not create the existence of sin itself.

Also, while believers are not under the Mosaic covenant, the New Testament absolutely still speaks of moral accountability for Christians.

Paul says: “For we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body.”
(2 Corinthians 5:10)

And: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
(Galatians 6:7)

Those warnings were written to believers.

You mentioned Romans 4:8 and 2 Corinthians 5:19, and I fully agree that justification means God does not count our sins against us unto condemnation in Christ. Amen to that.

But justification does not mean God becomes indifferent toward sin in the life of believers.

Hebrews 12, which you referenced, shows that God disciplines His children precisely because they are His children.

And 1 John says: “He that doeth righteousness is righteous.”
(1 John 3:7)

“Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not.” (1 John 3:6)

John is not teaching sinless perfection, but he is clearly rejecting the idea that ongoing sinful living is spiritually insignificant. Regarding your point about accusations of “license to sin,” I agree that Paul himself was falsely accused of teaching that grace encouraged sin.

Romans 3:8 says: “And why not (as we are slanderously reported… Let us do evil, that good may come)?”

So yes, preaching grace properly will often provoke misunderstanding.

However, Paul did not answer those accusations by saying: “Sin no longer matters because there is no law.”

He answered by saying, "How shall we, that died to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:2)

That is the apostolic balance.

Grace is not lawlessness. Grace is liberation from both condemnation and bondage to sin.

Finally, I agree salvation is God’s work from beginning to end.

Philippians 1:6 is true.
John 19:30 is true.
Ephesians 2:8–9 is true.

But the same apostles also taught perseverance, holiness, obedience, and walking by the Spirit as the evidence of genuine faith.

So the issue is not: “Do believers save themselves by law-keeping?”

Absolutely not. The issue is whether grace removes moral accountability and the call to holiness.

The apostles never taught that.

Instead they taught: “We establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

Meaning not the Mosaic covenant as a means of justification but the righteous requirement fulfilled in those who walk by the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

That is the balance Scripture maintains.

Behold · May 26, 2026

Angelina said:
But the New Testament never says sin ceased to exist for believers after the Mosaic covenant ended.

Sin existed before there was any Law given by Moses........as "sin was in the world" when Adam and Eve were in the world, but until they rebelled against God's word, then sin was not imputed to them, not charged to them.
And now, 2000 yrs since Jesus shed His Blood to forgive our sins and keep us forgiven, the born again are "not under the law but under Grace" and "where there is no Law, there is no Transgression (sin)". found.
= This is why God does not charge sin against a CHRISTian........and that is because He has already JUDGED HIS SON for our SINS< 2000 yrs ago.
This is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 says that God does not charge sin against a Christian.....as He can't now that He has charged our sins against His SON, who has died for them ALL on THE CROSS.

Welcome to : Salvation........its a "GiFT" of Righteousness and eternal forgivenes of SIN.

This is : Christianity 101, and yet most Christians do not understand what Jesus has accomplished for them, 2000 yrs ago by shedding His blood and dying for their SIN.

There is even a member here......."Episkopos" who teaches that "The Cross is not about forgiveness of Sin".

So, we see that a "christian forum' is often just a hidaway that allows the worst of the worst type of Religious Heretic to "park and preach" whatever God offending and Christ denying "theology" they want to present.

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Reader,
its interesting that worldwide, you find baby christians, who cannot understand what Jesus has accomplished on The Cross for them, as they are still trying to confess what Jesus has already SOLVED for them, 2000 yrs ago.

Now....When a person is born again, they are now found = "not under the Law but under Grace".
This means that "God hath made JESUS to be sin for us", and "Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for sin".

So because Jesus has become those for us, and because "Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the law".. then for the believer this "sin issue" is settled by The Cross, 2000 yrs ago.

So, the issuse is not sin, .. the issue is religious people who do not understand The Cross of Christ that is the eternal Blood Atonement, who want to teach about sin and law, totally lost within their deception.
Thats the issue on Forums like this one, and on most of the others as well, as this lack of knowledge is a dividing line between the Legalists who want to speak about SIN and LAW , vs, the enlightened believers who understand Grace and "imputed righteousness".

Listen,
, if a person still has sin, then Jesus has not become it for them yet,"""""God hath made Jesus to be SIN FOR US">.. has not died for theirs yet...., = has not been Judged for theirs yet, which redeemes them from it for ETERNITY.
See.... = There is no SIN FOUND In CHRIST, and every born again believer is "IN CHRIST".

Understand?

And until all believers understand this basic principle of the Blood Atonement, then the constant ignorant arguing about "who is a sinner" and "OSAS" and "law and commandments" : is going to continue to waste people's time on "christian forums" like this one.
Understand, that if a person has sin, then JESUS has not been sacrified for it yet, ...and that fact would mean that they are not really saved yet.

Do you understand this @Angelina ?

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Now, "where there is no law, there is no sin".... and the born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW"... "but under Grace'.

This means that the born again exist in the KOG, "in Christ"... as "one with God".....and you can't exist like that unless you are SINLESS, as there is no sin found in Christ or IN God and the born again are =- "IN CHRIST" and = 'ONE WITH GOD", and there is NO SIN FOUND THERE, where the born again EXIST.

Do you understand @Angelina ?

The born again EXIST "seated in Heavenly places", and there is no SIN found there.

Do you understand @Angelina ?

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Reader,
the issue that most contemporaty christians have.. is not a sin issue, it is a total lack of understanding issue, = egarding what it means to be eternally found : "IN CHRIST".
So, because they have no understanding regarding what that means for them, they can only comprehend their behavior as some type of proof of their salvation.
When In fact, our behavior has no effect on our Salvation, because our Salvation is not based on our behavior., its only based on having received from God..

"The Gift of Salvation"
"The Gift of Righteousness"
The Gift of Everlasting life"..

So, when a Christian finally understands this, then they have taken their first step into "working out their salvation", and once they understand completely that they are always made free from sin, always kept forgiven, eternally based on Christ's Blood and death, then they are finally beginning to understand what it means to have "put on the Helmet of Salvation".
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And about OSAS....

I hear this nonsense a lot on forums, and what i ask people who are wanting to talk about "licence to sin"... is..

Show me a book, or a commentary, or a Youtube video, or a forum member, who is teaching that ...."now that you are saved you can do what you want, so enjoy living like the devil, and have no fear of Heb 12:6 consequence".

Ive yet to be shown by someone like you, exaclty where this is being taught........as ive never seen it being taught.
And when i ask people like you to post some literal PROOF, they always dodge the question and try to ignore me.
Not a good idea...
Listen, Ive never seen a preacher, a teacher, a video, a book, or a forum member, teaching ...."" now that you are saved, you can live any way you like, because of God's Grace.".

Now you keep posting about OSAS, @Angelina , therefore im sure you can show the members here your PROOF that this "license to sin"... is being taught by some Christian BOOK, Christian Video, or Christian Forum member, ......or Christian commentary.
So i'll ask you for the 2nd time to share it, and if you dodge this question again, i'll ask you a 3rd time...,
Count on it.
So, do share it, so that i can see it for the first time myself, and im sure the other members here would be interested to find out who is "out there" teaching "licence to sin". = "do what you like, as God's Grace has you covered, no need to worry about Ecclesiastes 8:11 or Titus 3:10 or reaping what you've sown""..

So what church or book or video or forum member is teaching that God's Grace is a free pass to Carnal Land?

Show us the proof.... @Angelina
Who is teaching it?
Where?

William Barton · May 26, 2026

1. God is the Creator.
2. History is His Story.
3. We are all actors in a play.
4. Free will is a human perception.

Episkopos · May 26, 2026

Grace gives us the power to fulfill the law of God. It is power over sin. Until we are under grace sin has dominion over us...since we are walking in our own strength. But under grace we walk as Jesus did...having victory over sin, the world, and the devil. We are more than conquerors through Christ who strengthens us.

Eternally Grateful · May 26, 2026

LAW vs Grace.

What is the law?
God gave the law to moses. In giving it. He made the children of Israel confim an oath.

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

In this one strong statment. God gave Israel the requiement of the law. Perfection must be accomplished. If one break even one jot or tittle of the law. The person who commited that sin is cursed.

If we have any questions. Paul and James both confirmed this fact in the NT

Galatians 3:10

The Law Brings a Curse

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

James 2:10
Stumble just one time
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

As with any law. A law is set in stone to bring a person before a judge. and determin guilt or innocence. This is really no different. The law was given to show us our guilt before God. Any one of us who stands before God. when it comes to guilt or innocence will stand guilty. Because all have sinned and fall short. There is no one who kept the just requirement of the law to be saved. This is the mark set by God. God is perfect. we must also be perfect if we want to gain entrance to heaven by our self.

Again, this is confirmed in the NT.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

We are also told what the law does for a person. It brings wrath and the curse of death to whoever does not keep it. Which as we have already established, is everyone

The law brings wrath!
Romans 4:15
because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.

If the law brings death, how can anyone get to heaven?

Sacrifice - The priesthood.

Someone or something had to suffer this curse. or death in the place of the guilty sinner. in order to have that sin forgiven.

Day of redemption, One day a year the high priest would enter the most holy place. with the blood of an animal to make atonement for the sin of the people. this would in essence give them a clean slate for the next year.

The lamb - The lamb had to be without spot or blemish. Not just any lamb could be used for this sacrifice. the lamb had to be free of defect. Symbolizing the fact that not just anyone could sacrifice for another person. the person would have to be free of sin himself. perfect without spot.

The flaw of this system.

1. The blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin. But like the law. it was a reminder that we are guilty under the law

Hebrews 10:4
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

2. The law reveals to us our sin

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Hebrews 10:3
3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.

4. The purpose of the law.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe

2 fold

1. Prove that everyone us under sin.
2. Point to the redeemer who would come.
3. Lead to faith, so that the promise might be given to all who believe.

Eternally Grateful · May 26, 2026

Grace

As someone said earlier. It means literally unmerited favor.

1. It is a gift that is given to someone, who did not merit or deserve it
2. It is paid in full by the giver.
3. The one who gives gives freely. He asks for nothing in return. (its not a downpayment)
4. It is given out of love, and sacrifice.

In the area of salvation, or justification. The cost is the lamb of God. who not only fulfilled the law as required (no sin) but made himself the sacrifice who suffered the curse for those who are guilty so they may be freed from the curse.

Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Revelation 5:9
And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Titus 3:7
that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Grace can not be earned. or worked for.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

in review and in answer to the origional question. Did grace replace the law?

The answer is no.

No one could ever be saved from the law. so it was never a means of salvation.

Grace is the answer to the law. the fulfillment of the law. Being christ in us,, As John said, nehold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the wold.

The law was given to lead us to christ. not make us righteous.. We should not take the law out of context.

The law says do not do this or that.. Or do this or that. It does not tell us how.. It just shows us when we fail to do what it demands..

Does Grace replace the law?

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