When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

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She gets her confidence from thinking she was granted a Pentecostal style second work of grace that bestowed “sinless perfection” on her. She will not question it, for then her whole world would fall apart. She enjoys boasting about her superiority to others.
Oh I see. Thanks. She is already glorified too. I wish her all the best, but I am done.
It's too difficult when a person declares that they a teacher to show them where any mistake might be. They are only there to teach you and are never wrong in their minds- they just ignore what they don't want to face or twist it. We are to test all things with scripture. I have seen enough.
I'm sure she is a lovely person. No hard feelings.
I am not one to insist that we will sin til the day we die-I have no idea. I do believe we are to keep growing and my sins now seem to be only momentary thoughts, but that is still sin according to the Lord.
But I put nothing past myself nor will I think more highly of myself. I sure haven't been threatened to be crucified -so to speak. I am making no big claims.
But I do not agree with people who don't teach that we should always be walking toward holiness as the Lord help us.- some do seem to see sinning as if we are stuck so it's no big deal what you do. That's heresy.
I have not reached the point of death and I know of no one who claimed sinlessness at death other than a couple of people on here who claim it now. They generally twist the scriptures in areas..
Love covers a multitude of sins. We must abide and I just trust the Lord to help me always.
I really think that ONLY the Lord knows all of our sins. We don't remember what we had for dinner yesterday..!
 
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Oh I see. Thanks. She is already glorified too. I wish her all the best, but I am done.
She is fond of the expression “slap Jesus in the face”. She will accuse people of doing that when they disagree with her. She is happy to engage in quarreling endlessly.
 

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I'm not sure what you don't understand by imputed righteousness? it refers to the belief that the righteousness of Jesus Christ is credited to believers, allowing them to be justified before God.
There are a couple of different doctrines regarding imputed righteousness, and because of your typo I didn't want to guess what you meant for me to agree or not agree to.

So Let me ask you a question regarding the worst one. Do you believe that the righteousness that Jesus imputes to us is like a covering up of sin underneath, and that the blood of Jesus doesn't allow the Father to see the sin underneath. God does not lie, nor allows a doctrine that allows a lie.
She gets her confidence from thinking she was granted a Pentecostal style second work of grace that bestowed “sinless perfection” on her. She will not question it, for then her whole world would fall apart. She enjoys boasting about her superiority to others.
My confidence is in being grateful to Jesus for doing what I couldn't do, and that was make me stop committing my all time favorite sin - adultery with my boss 50 years ago when I was about 30. Like Paul, my boasting is in the Lord, not in my helplessness. Anchorite, I know you are angry with me, and you have a right to be with how you are seeing me. I would be angry with me too if I was you. You are in the majority if that is where you want to be. I just remember the night I was born again and literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body. I know now that it was the sin in my nature, because that desire for my boss was gone. It wasn't me trying to be good, as for months I failed every month I tried breaking it off with him. Repentance is not turning away from our sin in our own power, but recognizing myself as the publican praying in the temple and completely and utterly weak and in love with my sin. If that was a "second work" as you claimed, I got both all at once. And I'll be eternally grateful for the rest of my life. I guess you could say I am now Pentecostal because I certainly not a cessationist. I've experienced too many miracles and been able to hear God's voice for these 50 years so that I know God's will BEFORE I pray and 100% of my prayers are answered. For the 30 years before that, not one prayer was ever answered, except for the last one as a publican. But when it comes to this subject of sin, I'm not in any denomination. Too many believe the false doctrines by church fathers. I prefer the apostles.

Would you like to address the parable? Were his sins forgiven or not?! What happened when he did not also forgive? Does that punishment sound less than punishment for adultery? Is this a lesser sin than Moses law as you have stated? you are not making any sense.
The two types of sin are stated as such and both are taken away by Jesus leaving us finally holy:

1. Author and Finisher of our faith. Hebrews 12:2
2. from faith to faith Romans 1:16-17
3. from glory to glory 2 Cor. 3:18
4. grace for grace John 1:16
5. sin unto death vs. sin not unto death 1 John 5:16-17
6. righteous vs. holy Revelation 22:11
7. sins willfully and in full knowledge vs. unintentional Numbers 15:22-36; Hebrews 10:2 vs Hebrews 10:26-31

Jesus does it all. All that is required of us is to abide in Him and to obey Him.

What happened when he did not also forgive?

I prefer Matthew 6:14-15 and do not let a day go by holding any grudges just because someone doesn't like or agree with me. I'll miss them.

Matthew 6:14-15

I see a few things questionable here. 1. I am not clear on sin nature in Adam. I hear opinions, but I only go by scripture. It does not say either way. He sinned one heck of a sin to cause his death and ours. They were made good. But, is goodness a guarantee not to sin? Within their goodness was the ability to sin – which they did. Being good, as God created them, does not mean they are incapable of doing something wrong. Only God possesses the inability to do evil.- Death spread to all because ALL sinned.
When God made man He said it was "very good." Adam's nature was clean, just as John 15:3 says ours is when the first type of sin was dealt with (lawlessness/sins unto death) and now Jesus was maturing the fruit.

The only difference between Adam before Satan, and a born again Christian as far as sin goes, is we have the Spirit of God dwelling inside of us to pass up the temptation. Adam only had the breath of life.

Sanctification is a process throughout our lives. We are being set apart and growing to be more Christ.
Sorry your definition of worst types of sins is not in scripture. See above.

Did you look up 1 Corinthians 6:11? Past tense?

"But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."

Romans 8:29-30

29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Glorified is not "will glorify."

I gave you the verses that teach glorification is our need bodies after death. you ignored them!
I must have missed them. Do you mind giving me the texts if you know them and I'll look them up.


Hebrews 10:2- the word there means your "conscience" in Greek.
I know that and that is what I mean too. Do a word study sometime and look up "conscience" by Paul. He was living his life in all good conscience. That is the way I live my life too. And it seems you do too.
 
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I'm not sure what you don't understand by imputed righteousness? it refers to the belief that the righteousness of Jesus Christ is credited to believers, allowing them to be justified before God.
I'm going to offer a slight correction: "Imputed" is a KJV translation of the Greek word logizomai. This is an accounting term that means to credit, to calculate, to reckon. In the key verse, "Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness" (Romans 4:3 NASB, quoting the LXX Genesis 15:6), the context is that God judged Abraham as righteous based on Abe trusting God's promise. So, I don't think it's proper to say that Christ's righteousness is credited to us; I think it means God promises to reckon us as righteous based on our trusting Jesus.
 
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My confidence is in being grateful to Jesus for doing what I couldn't do, and that was make me stop committing my all time favorite sin - adultery with my boss 50 years ago when I was about 30. Like Paul, my boasting is in the Lord, not in my helplessness. Anchorite, I know you are angry with me, and you have a right to be with how you are seeing me. I would be angry with me too if I was you. You are in the majority if that is where you want to be. I just remember the night I was born again and literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body. I know now that it was the sin in my nature, because that desire for my boss was gone. It wasn't me trying to be good, as for months I failed every month I tried breaking it off with him. Repentance is not turning away from our sin in our own power, but recognizing myself as the publican praying in the temple and completely and utterly weak and in love with my sin. If that was a "second work" as you claimed, I got both all at once. And I'll be eternally grateful for the rest of my life. I guess you could say I am now Pentecostal because I certainly not a cessationist. I've experienced too many miracles and been able to hear God's voice for these 50 years so that I know God's will BEFORE I pray and 100% of my prayers are answered. For the 30 years before that, not one prayer was ever answered, except for the last one as a publican. But when it comes to this subject of sin, I'm not in any denomination. Too many believe the false doctrines by church fathers. I prefer the apostles.
If you get 100% of your prayers answered please pray that my niece gets healed from leukemia and I get healed as well!
Thanks!
 

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I don't think it's proper to say that Christ's righteousness is credited to us; I think it means God promises to reckon us as righteous based on our trusting Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:30

But because of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who from God is made unto us wisdom and righteousness, and sanctification and redemption.
 
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If you get 100% of your prayers answered please pray that my niece gets healed from leukemia and I get healed as well!
Thanks!
I'll listen for His voice. It is the only way I'll know His will. It is a gift I received back then, and have had all these years. You start listening too. That gift is not just for me but could be for you too. You may want to fast also. That helps us hear.
 

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So, I don't think it's proper to say that Christ's righteousness is credited to us; I think it means God promises to reckon us as righteous based on our trusting Jesus.
One of the problems with this is the misinterpretation that in trusting Jesus we can pretend we are righteous. That is not reality. The truth is more like, knowing that Jesus will take away all DESIRE to sin because the Word says so, then start trusting Jesus to do it and He will. Once clean, THEN you can reckon yourself free of sin, because you are and it is not pretend. I actually felt the heaviness of sin leave my body. I don't know if that happens to everyone who is born again. Maybe, my particular sin just weighed a lot. I know I couldn't lift it out of me. I was trapped.
 

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One of the problems with this is the misinterpretation that in trusting Jesus we can pretend we are righteous. That is not reality. The truth is more like, knowing that Jesus will take away all DESIRE to sin because the Word says so, then start trusting Jesus to do it and He will. Once clean, THEN you can reckon yourself free of sin, because you are and it is not pretend. I actually felt the heaviness of sin leave my body. I don't know if that happens to everyone who is born again. Maybe, my particular sin just weighed a lot. I know I couldn't lift it out of me. I was trapped.

Rev 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

What do you make of the orange, the healing of the nations ?

Note, 22:2 is about the new heaven and earth, only saved souls there.

From what does saved people need healing from ?
 
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Rev 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

What do you make of the orange, the healing of the nations ?

Note, 22:2 is about the new heaven and earth, only saved souls there.

From what does saved people need healing from ?
Probably prejudices, especially against Israel.
 

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Rev 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

What do you make of the orange, the healing of the nations ?

Note, 22:2 is about the new heaven and earth, only saved souls there.

From what does saved people need healing from ?
Since Revelation 21:4 explicitly states there will be no more pain or death, biblical scholars generally agree this "healing" in Rev. 22:2 does not refer to curing illnesses. Instead, the Greek word therapeia points to restorative peace, supreme overall wellness, and thriving vitality, ensuring the eternal preservation and flourishing of the inhabitants. No more anxiety or animosity, just pure bliss, joyful cooperation, perpetual calmness and serenity.
 
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Since Revelation 21:4 explicitly states there will be no more pain or death, biblical scholars generally agree this "healing" in Rev. 22:2 does not refer to curing illnesses. Instead, the Greek word therapeia points to restorative peace, supreme overall wellness, and thriving vitality, ensuring the eternal preservation and flourishing of the inhabitants. No more anxiety or animosity, just pure bliss, joyful cooperation, perpetual calmness and serenity.

I was thinking in the same limes, healing means restoration, saved but not made complete yet.
 
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Adam and Eve versus us

A&E had a choice, we don't. We are not created as an adult in Paradise living in the wonderful presence of God with just one simple commandment. Unlike A&E we are born totally helpless, are in need for much care, are dependent of who our parents are (not God), overloaded with right's and wrong's, do's and dont's during our upbringing, if we are lucky we are born in a Christian country, even more lucky in a Christian family. If we are lucky we are told about God and come to the realization that we are sinners and that we have to make a choice, before or against Him. And fight sin. It's a life full of spiritual struggle and then we die, nothing we can do about it, we are what we are and we are totally incomparable to A&E.

I wish I would have had the same chance as A&E, living in the presence of God's love, I surely would not eat from the forbidden tree, or did I had that chance already?
 

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When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

Sin “nature”, is A human body being “Naturally Reproduced and Born “in Sin” of a mans Seed”.

No. A Sin “nature” is Not “Taken Away”…
When the Lord, “Forgives a mans “Natural Sin”… “He Covers That Forgiven Sin, and Remembers that Forgiven Sin, no more”.

What SIN exactly does the Lord Forgive?
Having HAD unbelief.

How exactly does the Lord “cover THAT Forgiven Sin”?
With His Spirit, (which IS Pure Light), enters “INTO” that forgiven man’s Forgiven sin of Darkness, that naturally, once, did NOT Believe.

Rom 4:
[7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Glory to God,
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Sin “nature”, is A human body being “Naturally Reproduced and Born “in Sin” of a mans Seed”.
So you believe God created Adam with a sin nature? Adam had free will, but didn't know good from evil until he ate of the tree. Do you also believe Jesus had a sin nature from Mary's body?
 

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So you believe God created Adam with a sin nature?

Adam was “CREATED”… Formed.
(Without Belief) yes, Naturally in SIN.
Adam was “MADE”…Given a living soul.

Same for All born alive humans, procreated from a mans SEED.

Adam had free will,

All humans and angels have “FREEWILL”.

but didn't know good from evil until he ate of the tree.

We have a Synopsis of the Garden of Eden and have no knowledge of duration of time, God spent with Adam and Eve.

It could have been A DAY or YEARS.
If we imagine a New born and how long it takes to speak, teach, before they even begin to Grasp “What, Who” God is…

Yes Adam was created a “Man” (adult), but nothing indicates he knew more than a new born babe.

Good / Evil have Consequences is the point.
Babes, understand “Like / Don’t like”…(the after the Fact…consequences).

Adam was told …Eat this, the consequence.
Good tree…Life.
Evil tree…...Death.
What was “Death” meaning to Adam?
I would say…(by after the Fact, consequence)
”separation from living”? No.
“separation from God”? Yes.

Boils down to…
Belief… is required for God to be “WITH” a man.
Confessed Heartful Belief…is required for Gods Spirit to dwell “IN” a man.

Man has FREEWILL to hear, listen “TRY-OUT” Gods Offering, that He be WITH such man.
It is called “Tasting”.
A man freely willing to “commit” his BELIEF and TRUST unto God…
Is called “Eating”, Gods Offering…
That His Spirit be “WITH and IN” such man.
* Adam, like many men, learned that lesson, years later.


Do you also believe Jesus had a sin nature from Mary's body?

Joseph’s’ Sperm (seed) / Mary’s Egg (seed)…
Had nothing whatsoever to do with The body of Jesus, God PREPARED and SENT to Mary’s Womb.
Humans are body’s Created of the Earths Dust.
Jesus’ body was Prepared, not Created.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Glory to God,
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Adam was “CREATED”… Formed.
(Without Belief) yes, Naturally in SIN.
I do not agree. When God created Adam, sin did not exist. Even Satan had not yet sinned.
All humans and angels have “FREEWILL”.
I agree.
Joseph’s’ Sperm (seed) / Mary’s Egg (seed)…
Had nothing whatsoever to do with The body of Jesus, God PREPARED and SENT to Mary’s Womb.
Humans are body’s Created of the Earths Dust.
Jesus’ body was Prepared, not Created.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
I do not agree with your theory on "prepared." Jesus was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Mary was His mother, not a surrogate that Jesus was placed in by God alone. Jesus was half human for the one purpose of being able to die.
 

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Adam was “CREATED”… Formed.
(Without Belief) yes, Naturally in SIN.
Adam was “MADE”…Given a living soul.

Same for All born alive humans, procreated from a mans SEED.



All humans and angels have “FREEWILL”.



We have a Synopsis of the Garden of Eden and have no knowledge of duration of time, God spent with Adam and Eve.

It could have been A DAY or YEARS.
If we imagine a New born and how long it takes to speak, teach, before they even begin to Grasp “What, Who” God is…

Yes Adam was created a “Man” (adult), but nothing indicates he knew more than a new born babe.

Good / Evil have Consequences is the point.
Babes, understand “Like / Don’t like”…(the after the Fact…consequences).

Adam was told …Eat this, the consequence.
Good tree…Life.
Evil tree…...Death.
What was “Death” meaning to Adam?
I would say…(by after the Fact, consequence)
”separation from living”? No.
“separation from God”? Yes.

Boils down to…
Belief… is required for God to be “WITH” a man.
Confessed Heartful Belief…is required for Gods Spirit to dwell “IN” a man.

Man has FREEWILL to hear, listen “TRY-OUT” Gods Offering, that He be WITH such man.
It is called “Tasting”.
A man freely willing to “commit” his BELIEF and TRUST unto God…
Is called “Eating”, Gods Offering…
That His Spirit be “WITH and IN” such man.
* Adam, like many men, learned that lesson, years later.




Joseph’s’ Sperm (seed) / Mary’s Egg (seed)…
Had nothing whatsoever to do with The body of Jesus, God PREPARED and SENT to Mary’s Womb.
Humans are body’s Created of the Earths Dust.
Jesus’ body was Prepared, not Created.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Glory to God,
Taken
Show where you get the free will thing please. Adam had a choice not a free will. Adam named all the plants and animals, that's pretty smart don't you think. Also, Adam was deceived, he did not walk up to the tree to eat. The Woman brought it to Adam. 1 Timothy 2:14 - And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
 

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I do not agree. When God created Adam, sin did not exist. Even Satan had not yet sinned.

Disagree.
Satan, was cast to Earth, (for his belief Against God.) Satan was ON Earth, Before man was created.


I do not agree with your theory on "prepared."

Not a “theory”. Verified in Scripture.
God purposed “IN” “ Himself…
God “prepared a body”, for Gods purpose to be fulfilled.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Prepared a body and provided a name, Jesus, a title, Lord, Christ, and Purposed in Him, Gods Will.

Eph 3:
[11] According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

In Heaven God is the Father.
On Earth God is the Son.

Jesus was conceived

No.
Conceived is to become pregnant.
Mary was MADE to be Pregnant in her Womb, Via the Seed of God being SENT to her Womb.
And that SEED (of God) IS Christ.

That Same SEED, is the SEED that causes a mans “natural spirit”. ( ie. Natural truth in a man’s heart) to become MADE born again.

A mans Seed, a females egg (seed)… be it MARY or any human has nothing to do with a humans pregnancy or spirit rebirth.

Mary was His mother, not a surrogate that Jesus was placed in by God alone. Jesus was half human for the one purpose of being able to die.

Disagree.

If you believe Jesus was (any part) human… it would stand to reason, you believe a Human has the power and authority to save souls and quicken a mans spirit…
Which I believe is hogwash.

God IS a Spirit.
God HAS 7 Spirits.
Jesus IS a Spirit.
Angels Are spirits.
Humans “have a spirit”.
Spirits CAN and Do have the power and authority to APPEAR as humans…
However…
That does NOT make them “humans”.

An Angel spirit impregnating a human females egg (seed) is an Abomination…
Yet you
Believe that is exactly what God did regarding Mary?

I don’t think God would approve of such teaching.

Glory to God,
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Show where you get the free will thing please. Adam had a choice not a free will. Adam named all the plants and animals, that's pretty smart don't you think.

Choosing IS FREEWILL!

Also, Adam was deceived, he did not walk up to the tree to eat. The Woman brought it to Adam.

So?

The female took the fruit, from the tree, with her hand.
Then…
The female ate. Said it was GOOD, and offered the fruit to Adam.
Then…
Adam made his own FREEWILL choice to TAKE the “fruit” from the females hand.


Glory to God,
Taken