Will a Third Temple Be Rebuilt?

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Spiritual Israelite

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What verse are you saying "the man of lawlessness" appears. The word "lawlessness" does not appear in the kjv bible.


2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That verse is referring to a literal temple, not a metaphorical temple.
No future literal, physical temple can possibly be God's temple.

Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

Acts 17:24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
 

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Yes that's why I asked the question about what Paul states the temple of God is now

Well, many people assume that the "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 refers to a "future rebuilt Jewish temple" in Jerusalem where a so-called supernatural world ruler called the Antichrist will one day sit. But that interpretation is not what the text itself requires.

Throughout the New Testament, the temple of God is repeatedly identified as God's people—the church—not a physical building made with stones in Jerusalem.

Paul wrote:

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)

Again:

"For ye are the temple of the living God." (2 Corinthians 6:16)

And Peter describes believers as:

"living stones... built up a spiritual house" (1 Peter 2:5).

Therefore, when Paul speaks of the "man of sin" sitting in the temple of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), there is no necessity to interpret that as a rebuilt Jewish temple. The New Testament consistently defines God's temple as His Covenant people.

Paul's primary concern in 2 Thessalonians was the coming apostasy:

"That day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

The context is not about unbelieving Jews rebuilding a temple, but about a great departure from the truth among those who profess to belong to God. I am talking about professed Christians here - not the True believers.

Jesus warned repeatedly that false christs and false prophets would arise and deceive many professed Christians where they will not find salvation:

"Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24)

The "man of sin" is therefore best understood as a manifestation of lawlessness operating within the visible religious community, exalting itself in God's place, corrupting the faith, and leading many into apostasy. God did not talk about one man here for there are many false prophets and christs and God sees them as the man of sin individually in different congregations.

The real danger is not a future politician sitting in a building in Jerusalem. The greater danger is false prophets and christs sitting in positions of spiritual authority within professing Christianity, teaching doctrines of men, deceiving multitudes, and drawing people away from obedience to Christ. They are what the two horned beast of Revelation 13 represents!

Paul's warning was about a falling away from the truth among those who claim to be God's people. The focus is on spiritual corruption within the visible church, not on speculation about a future rebuilt temple in the Middle East.
 
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Jhn 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

You want to see it, You have to BE IT.

Make it so.

Do it.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Understand?

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What does Paul repeatedly tell us the temple of God is?
Paul likened the body of believers as the temple of God because the Holy Spirit resides in our soul.

But that is not the temple that the Antichrist will enter into, sit, and claim to have achieved God-hood.

In Revelation 11:1, John was told to measure the temple of God with a reed that was like a measuring stick given to him. So that temple is a literal physical temple.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

John was further instructed not to measure the outer court of the temple in verse 2.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

So there is going to be temple activity of worshiping and offering sacrifices on the altar, within the inner court(yard).
 

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Paul likened the body of believers as the temple of God because the Holy Spirit resides in our soul.

But that is not the temple that the Antichrist will enter into, sit, and claim to have achieved God-hood.

In Revelation 11:1, John was told to measure the temple of God with a reed that was like a measuring stick given to him. So that temple is a literal physical temple.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

John was further instructed not to measure the outer court of the temple in verse 2.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

So there is going to be temple activity of worshiping and offering sacrifices on the altar, within the inner court(yard).

How can a future literal building be the temple of God in the New Testament era?

Does God have two temples?

Does the antichrist John describes in his epistles match the purpose and personality of the one Paul describes in 2 Thessalians 2?

Can the word "measure" also be symbolic for seeing if you are capable of doing something? (Do we measure up to Gods standards?)

The outer court wasn't measured because they weren't made worthy.

Do you notice that it's not the temple and the outer court that is trampled on for 42 months? Its the Holy City the church.
 

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How can a future literal building be the temple of God in the New Testament era?
Because the temple will be dedicated to the praise and worship of the One True God.

Does God have two temples?
There is the temple of God in heaven. Revelation 11:19. (reference to that temple is also in Revelation 14:15, Revelation 14:17, Revelation 15:5, Revelation 15:6, Revelation 15:8, Revelation 16:17 ),

Revelation 11:And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And the temple of God on the temple mount in Jerusalem, for the time this present earth exists. In the new earth, new Jerusalem, there will be no temple, Revelation 21:22.
 
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Because the temple will be dedicated to the praise and worship of the One True God.


There is the temple of God in heaven. Revelation 11:19. (reference to that temple is also in Revelation 14:15, Revelation 14:17, Revelation 15:5, Revelation 15:6, Revelation 15:8, Revelation 16:17 ),

Revelation 11:And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And the temple of God on the temple mount in Jerusalem, for the time this present earth exists. In the new earth, new Jerusalem, there will be no temple, Revelation 21:22.
How can they dedicate a temple to the one true God when they don’t know the real God?

Not sure why you bring up the temple in heaven that has nothing to do with any temple on earth
 
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How can they dedicate a temple to the one true God when they don’t know the real God?

Not sure why you bring up the temple in heaven that has nothing to do with any temple on earth
The Jews (Judaism) currently don't believe that Jesus is the Lord their God. But the Jews do believe Who we refer to as God the Father.

The temple that they will build will be dedicated to God as they understood Him in the days of the first and second temples.

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You had asked "Does God have two temples?"

So, I answered, quoting the passages straight from the bible.
 

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The Jews (Judaism) currently don't believe that Jesus is the Lord their God. But the Jews do believe Who we refer to as God the Father.

The temple that they will build will be dedicated to God as they understood Him in the days of the first and second temples.

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You had asked "Does God have two temples?"

So, I answered, quoting the passages straight from the bible.
I refer you back to post #25 & 31

Just because they think they know the Father doesn’t mean that they do know the Father

We the bride are the new temple the new Jerusalem up in heaven and on earth because God dwells in us

Revelation 21
1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
 
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I don't think it matters as far as Christ is concerned as the need for the Holy of Holies has been replaced by Christ. The animal sacrifice has been replaced by Christ.

But I do think there is a movement to rebuild the Temple as far as the Jews are concerned. I think they still believe that the Messiah is yet to come and the building of the Temple is part of fullfilling this.

The Bible teaches that the Jewish people will rebuild the temple at the beginning of the seven-year tribulation. They will also reestablish a system of sacrifices and offerings (Daniel 9:27; Revelation 11:1–2). Key passages say this will happen in “the holy city” of Jerusalem (Daniel 9:24; Revelation 11:2). Later in the tribulation, the Antichrist will desecrate the new temple (Daniel 11:36–45; 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). Jesus affirms the existence of a future temple by prophesying the same profane event that Daniel and 2 Thessalonians foretell (Matthew 24:15).
 
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Paul likened the body of believers as the temple of God because the Holy Spirit resides in our soul.

But that is not the temple that the Antichrist will enter into, sit, and claim to have achieved God-hood.

In Revelation 11:1, John was told to measure the temple of God with a reed that was like a measuring stick given to him. So that temple is a literal physical temple.

Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

John was further instructed not to measure the outer court of the temple in verse 2.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

So there is going to be temple activity of worshiping and offering sacrifices on the altar, within the inner court(yard).
Again, no future literal, physical temple can possibly be God's temple because the temple of God (God's temple) can only be one in which God dwells and is not made with human hands.

Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

Acts 17:24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

Why would John be told to measure those who worship within a physical temple? That's nonsense. He is figuratively taking account of those who are in the church with the Gentiles/heathen who are in "the court which is without the temple" representing those who are not in the church.

The temple of God of Revelation 11:1 is revealed later in the chapter as being heavenly in nature.

Revelation 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
 
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The Jews (Judaism) currently don't believe that Jesus is the Lord their God. But the Jews do believe Who we refer to as God the Father.

The temple that they will build will be dedicated to God as they understood Him in the days of the first and second temples.
They understand Him completely falsely, so it would be dedicated to a false "God" and could not possibly be something that scripture would refer to as the temple of God. You are very sadly mistaken.
 
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Because the temple will be dedicated to the praise and worship of the One True God.
That is impossible because it would be built by people who deny the One True God because they deny His Son. Anyone who denies the Son denies God the Father as well, so they cannot possibly praise and worship the One True God as long as they are rejecting Jesus.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
 
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Any third temple is a false temple.

Here is New Jerusalem: Revelation 21:22 (AMP) I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all] and the Lamb are its temple.

However….

They do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah. The talmud says they need a temple, with utensils, levitcal priesthood, Ark et all in order for their Moshiach/Messiah to come and put a stop to the sacrifices and rule from the Davidic throne. Remember, they are still looking for the first coming. One who will come in his own name that they will accept. It will be the antichrist.

They have replicas of all the temple utensils, have trained an alleged levitcal priesthood, and have been practicing all of the rituals. They are fully prepared to erect a makeshift temple/tabernacle/structure and commence the mosiac/levitcal law associated with it.

The Word implies and is reasonably understood that we will “see” it “standing” in the Holy place. Holy place being an important distinction separate from the Holy of Holies. The Glory Cloud, which God always came on/in was what indwelled the first temple According to 1 Kings 8:10-11, 2 Chronicles 5:13-14, and on the clouds to Moses on Sinai in Exodus 19 will not be present in a false temple.

This is important because we are warned:

Matt 24:26 (KJV) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.

The secret or inner room being the Holy of Holies. Jesus will return on the clouds and every eye will see as stated in Rev 1:7, Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13. He will descend as He anscended on the clouds in Acts 1:11. The Ancient of days is precise, for very good reason.

Revelation 1:7 (KJV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

All of those things considered and the following literary scriptures suggest a false physical temple is the correct understanding of The Word as we are given.

Matthew 24:15 (AMP) “So when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION [the appalling sacrilege that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader understand),

Mark 13:14 (AMP) “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing [in the temple sanctuary] where it ought not to be (let the reader understand) then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

Daniel 12:11 (AMP) “From the time that the regular sacrifice [that is, the daily burnt offering] is taken away and the abomination of desolation is set up [ruining the temple for worship of the true God], there will be 1,290 days.

Daniel 11:31 (AMP) “Armed forces of his will arise [in Jerusalem] and defile and desecrate the sanctuary, the [spiritual] stronghold, and will do away with the regular sacrifice [that is, the daily burnt offering]; and they will set up [a pagan altar in the sanctuary which is] the abomination of desolation.

We are in the last jubilee of this age and Jesus Christ is returning soon, but not before the tribulation of those days. People will need to be in The Word now more than ever. Don’t squander your time.
 
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Assumption is the mother of all errors.

That weak argument of yours sounds persuasive until you actually examine how prophecy works in Scripture.

No one is denying that Christ's Second Coming will be literal. The issue is whether every prophetic detail surrounding His coming must be interpreted in the most woodenly literal way possible. The First Coming itself disproves that assumption.

John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy concerning Elijah, yet he was not literally Elijah returned from heaven (Matthew 11:14). Jesus is called the Lamb of God, yet He is not a four-legged animal. He is the true Temple, yet He is not a literal stone building. The outpouring of the Spirit at Pentecost fulfilled Joel's prophecy in a way many Jews were not expecting. Even the apostles repeatedly interpreted Old Testament prophecies through the lens of Christ and redemptive fulfillment rather than mere literalism.

The problem with your statement is that it creates a false choice: either a prophecy is fulfilled literally or it is being "stretched" into symbolism. Scripture itself does not operate with that simplistic framework. Biblical prophecy often contains types, shadows, symbols, patterns, and greater fulfillments that are revealed in Christ.


Ironically, those who insist that every prophecy must be fulfilled according to their preferred literal expectations are making the same mistake many first-century Jews made. That is a biblical fact! They expected a certain kind of fulfillment and missed the deeper reality standing right in front of them.

The question is not, "Can God fulfill prophecy literally?" Of course He can and often does. The question is, "How do the inspired New Testament authors interpret those prophecies?" Their interpretation—not our assumptions—is the standard.

Mocking fellow believers with caricatures instead of engaging their actual biblical arguments does not strengthen your position. It merely substitutes ridicule for exegesis.

Selah!
This isn’t entirely true.

John the Baptist was cut off, literally lost his head. Just as Christ Jesus was cutoff but not for Himself. A partial fulfillment.

Malachi 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

The Day of the Lord in this passage is important as it indicates a fulfillment before His coming on the clouds.

How do we know is still yet unfulfilled? Because the Day of the Lord hasn’t happened. The DoTL has specific signs associated with it that did not take place when John the Baptist heralded the first coming.

As you can see, the DoTL is darkness, associated with the 6th seal in Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, Isaiah 13, Rev 6:12, and others.

Isaiah 13:9-10 (AMP) 9 Listen carefully, the day of the LORD is coming, Cruel, with wrath and raging anger, To make the land a horror [of devastation]; And He shall exterminate its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash with their light; The sun will be dark when it rises, And the moon will not shed its light.

Revelation 6:12-13 (KJV) 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The two witnesses will come in the power and spirit of Elijah, they will witness for 3.5 years just as scripture says. They will be killed in Jerusalem then resurrected after 3.5 days (Rev 11:7-9), the Mother of Harlots, Babylon the great city. Then…the Day of the Lord will come. A full fulfillment of prophecy and heralding the arrival of Christ Jesus.
 
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This isn’t entirely true.

Says who? You or God.

John the Baptist was cut off, literally lost his head.

Humm... and?

Just as Christ Jesus was cutoff but not for Himself. A partial fulfillment.

LOL. Who did Christ get cut off for?

Malachi 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

The Day of the Lord in this passage is important as it indicates a fulfillment before His coming on the clouds.

How do we know is still yet unfulfilled? Because the Day of the Lord hasn’t happened. The DoTL has specific signs associated with it that did not take place when John the Baptist heralded the first coming.

Read God's Word carefully:
Luke 1:13-17
  • "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
  • And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
  • For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
  • And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
  • And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
The prophecy spoke not of Elijah as the plain sense would dictate, but of John the Baptist, who would come in the "spirit and power of Elijah" to fulfill Elijah's role as forerunner to the Messiah. He shared the same Holy Spirit of Elijah, preaching with authority and not as the Scribes and Pharisees did. He delivered the same gospel message of Elijah, a preparation for first coming of Christ, and repentance of God's people. This prophetic spirit is of a generation or family that were true messengers of God, and not of a supposed incarnated man returning to the land of the living. The major characteristic of the spirit of God that Elijah came with was the mission to turn God's people back to the Lord (1st kings 17-18), which is the exact same thing that John did. He came in that same Spirit and power. And so that there might be no doubt, Christ Himself told us in the Plainest Sense, that this prophecy spoke of John, who came in the Spirit of Elijah, not literally Elijah.

Matthew 11:12-15
  • "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
  • For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
  • And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
  • He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
Why do you think that Christ plainly tells them "this is Elias, which was for to come." It is because we know unambiguously that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy of Elijah that was to come. Yet Christ knows full well that Israel (in part), like you, wouldn't believe this, as they were always looking for the plain sense, so He adds, "if ye will receive it!" Christ knew everything and so He knew that many of Israel would not receive it, but a remnant would. Then He Reiterates "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear," because He knows not all have Spiritual ears and so not all would hear. Then He immediately starts asking, "But whereunto shall I liken this generation?" Christ knows the generation that will not hear, will not receive it, and will not surrender to the authority and power of the word that John was the one whom the prophets spoke of.

And to this day, many in Israel and many of the Dispensationalist church still will not receive that the prophecy doesn't speak of a literal return of Elijah. Why? ...because the plain sense, makes sense to them, and that is their man-made rule they stand or fall by.

And you don't know what the great and dreadful day of the LORD? Wasn't it when God judged His Old Testament congregation for unbelief that their kingdom representative was taken from them and gave to another?

As you can see, the DoTL is darkness, associated with the 6th seal in Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, Isaiah 13, Rev 6:12, and others.

Ummm. you think so? Tell me exactly what is this darkness the Lord talked about here exactly?
Isaiah 13:9-10 (AMP) 9 Listen carefully, the day of the LORD is coming, Cruel, with wrath and raging anger, To make the land a horror [of devastation]; And He shall exterminate its sinners from it. 10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash with their light; The sun will be dark when it rises, And the moon will not shed its light.

Ahh...I see you like to quote Amplified Bible. No wonder you are looking for a literal interpretation. :-)
Revelation 6:12-13 (KJV) 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Do you really understand what the Lord talked about here? Do you think He is warning you about a series of cosmic disturbances?
The two witnesses will come in the power and spirit of Elijah,

As I show you the Scripture above, it was John the Baptist who had the power and spirit of Elijah.
they will witness for 3.5 years just as scripture says.

I wonder if you’ve considered who the Two Witnesses are and what the 1,260 days of testimony represent.


Could it be that the Two Witnesses symbolize Spirit-empowered Christians who are given the power of the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the Gospel to the world during this prophetic period of 1,260 days?


And that this time reflects a "thousand years" in which Satan is restrained in some sense, allowing the Gospel to go forth with authority and witness until all Elect are secured, Revelation 7:1-4?

They will be killed in Jerusalem

What does Jerusalem represent in Revelation 11? Who is the beast? And how exactly are the Two Witnesses killed—are we supposed to picture gunfire and public executions, heads rolling in the streets? Really?
then resurrected after 3.5 days (Rev 11:7-9)

What does the “three days and a half” represent? How are they resurrected? What is meant by the “Spirit of life”? What is the significance of them ascending “up to heaven in a cloud”? And who are the enemies that witness all of this?

the Mother of Harlots, Babylon the great city.

Who is she exactly?

Then…the Day of the Lord will come.

Show me the Scripture.

A full fulfillment of prophecy and heralding the arrival of Christ Jesus.

Ahem... :-) You still have alot to learn.
 

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Says who? You or God.



Humm... and?



LOL. Who did Christ get cut off for?



Read God's Word carefully:
Luke 1:13-17
  • "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
  • And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
  • For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
  • And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
  • And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
The prophecy spoke not of Elijah as the plain sense would dictate, but of John the Baptist, who would come in the "spirit and power of Elijah" to fulfill Elijah's role as forerunner to the Messiah. He shared the same Holy Spirit of Elijah, preaching with authority and not as the Scribes and Pharisees did. He delivered the same gospel message of Elijah, a preparation for first coming of Christ, and repentance of God's people. This prophetic spirit is of a generation or family that were true messengers of God, and not of a supposed incarnated man returning to the land of the living. The major characteristic of the spirit of God that Elijah came with was the mission to turn God's people back to the Lord (1st kings 17-18), which is the exact same thing that John did. He came in that same Spirit and power. And so that there might be no doubt, Christ Himself told us in the Plainest Sense, that this prophecy spoke of John, who came in the Spirit of Elijah, not literally Elijah.

Matthew 11:12-15
  • "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
  • For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
  • And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
  • He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
Why do you think that Christ plainly tells them "this is Elias, which was for to come." It is because we know unambiguously that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy of Elijah that was to come. Yet Christ knows full well that Israel (in part), like you, wouldn't believe this, as they were always looking for the plain sense, so He adds, "if ye will receive it!" Christ knew everything and so He knew that many of Israel would not receive it, but a remnant would. Then He Reiterates "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear," because He knows not all have Spiritual ears and so not all would hear. Then He immediately starts asking, "But whereunto shall I liken this generation?" Christ knows the generation that will not hear, will not receive it, and will not surrender to the authority and power of the word that John was the one whom the prophets spoke of.

And to this day, many in Israel and many of the Dispensationalist church still will not receive that the prophecy doesn't speak of a literal return of Elijah. Why? ...because the plain sense, makes sense to them, and that is their man-made rule they stand or fall by.

And you don't know what the great and dreadful day of the LORD? Wasn't it when God judged His Old Testament congregation for unbelief that their kingdom representative was taken from them and gave to another?



Ummm. you think so? Tell me exactly what is this darkness the Lord talked about here exactly?


Ahh...I see you like to quote Amplified Bible. No wonder you are looking for a literal interpretation. :-)


Do you really understand what the Lord talked about here? Do you think He is warning you about a series of cosmic disturbances?


As I show you the Scripture above, it was John the Baptist who had the power and spirit of Elijah.


I wonder if you’ve considered who the Two Witnesses are and what the 1,260 days of testimony represent.


Could it be that the Two Witnesses symbolize Spirit-empowered Christians who are given the power of the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the Gospel to the world during this prophetic period of 1,260 days?


And that this time reflects a "thousand years" in which Satan is restrained in some sense, allowing the Gospel to go forth with authority and witness until all Elect are secured, Revelation 7:1-4?



What does Jerusalem represent in Revelation 11? Who is the beast? And how exactly are the Two Witnesses killed—are we supposed to picture gunfire and public executions, heads rolling in the streets? Really?


What does the “three days and a half” represent? How are they resurrected? What is meant by the “Spirit of life”? What is the significance of them ascending “up to heaven in a cloud”? And who are the enemies that witness all of this?



Who is she exactly?



Show me the Scripture.



Ahem... :-) You still have alot to learn.
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LOL. Who did Christ get cut off for?



Read God's Word carefully:
Luke 1:13-17
  • "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
  • And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
  • For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
  • And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
  • And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
The prophecy spoke not of Elijah as the plain sense would dictate, but of John the Baptist, who would come in the "spirit and power of Elijah" to fulfill Elijah's role as forerunner to the Messiah. He shared the same Holy Spirit of Elijah, preaching with authority and not as the Scribes and Pharisees did. He delivered the same gospel message of Elijah, a preparation for first coming of Christ, and repentance of God's people. This prophetic spirit is of a generation or family that were true messengers of God, and not of a supposed incarnated man returning to the land of the living. The major characteristic of the spirit of God that Elijah came with was the mission to turn God's people back to the Lord (1st kings 17-18), which is the exact same thing that John did. He came in that same Spirit and power. And so that there might be no doubt, Christ Himself told us in the Plainest Sense, that this prophecy spoke of John, who came in the Spirit of Elijah, not literally Elijah.

Matthew 11:12-15
  • "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
  • For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
  • And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
  • He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
Why do you think that Christ plainly tells them "this is Elias, which was for to come." It is because we know unambiguously that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy of Elijah that was to come. Yet Christ knows full well that Israel (in part), like you, wouldn't believe this, as they were always looking for the plain sense, so He adds, "if ye will receive it!" Christ knew everything and so He knew that many of Israel would not receive it, but a remnant would. Then He Reiterates "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear," because He knows not all have Spiritual ears and so not all would hear. Then He immediately starts asking, "But whereunto shall I liken this generation?" Christ knows the generation that will not hear, will not receive it, and will not surrender to the authority and power of the word that John was the one whom the prophets spoke of.

And to this day, many in Israel and many of the Dispensationalist church still will not receive that the prophecy doesn't speak of a literal return of Elijah. Why? ...because the plain sense, makes sense to them, and that is their man-made rule they stand or fall by.

And you don't know what the great and dreadful day of the LORD? Wasn't it when God judged His Old Testament congregation for unbelief that their kingdom representative was taken from them and gave to another?



Ummm. you think so? Tell me exactly what is this darkness the Lord talked about here exactly?


Ahh...I see you like to quote Amplified Bible. No wonder you are looking for a literal interpretation. :-)


Do you really understand what the Lord talked about here? Do you think He is warning you about a series of cosmic disturbances?


As I show you the Scripture above, it was John the Baptist who had the power and spirit of Elijah.


I wonder if you’ve considered who the Two Witnesses are and what the 1,260 days of testimony represent.


Could it be that the Two Witnesses symbolize Spirit-empowered Christians who are given the power of the Holy Spirit to boldly proclaim the Gospel to the world during this prophetic period of 1,260 days?


And that this time reflects a "thousand years" in which Satan is restrained in some sense, allowing the Gospel to go forth with authority and witness until all Elect are secured, Revelation 7:1-4?



What does Jerusalem represent in Revelation 11? Who is the beast? And how exactly are the Two Witnesses killed—are we supposed to picture gunfire and public executions, heads rolling in the streets? Really?


What does the “three days and a half” represent? How are they resurrected? What is meant by the “Spirit of life”? What is the significance of them ascending “up to heaven in a cloud”? And who are the enemies that witness all of this?



Who is she exactly?



Show me the Scripture.



Ahem... :-) You still have alot to learn.
“Show me the scripture”

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